CFZ Contract Aside, doesn't it Make More Sense for Zeke to Come After Pollard?

[CowboyFrog]

Okay.....we disagree how it works.. i believe i have history on my side.....but....is what it is.

Change of pace tailback.....comes in when everyone is tired for maximum effect.

Actually we are talking about 2 diferent plans as i told Ronnie, your correct in a change of pace situation as really Pollard would be spelling Zeke for series but Zeke would still be getting the workload most of the game. What this is talking about (I believe could be wrong ) is diferent plan where you begin the game with basically speed sets, sweeps short passing, generally making the defense move around and get a lead and then bring Zeke in fresh to pound home a tired defense...the carries are not predetermined they are used as the game goes...what your talking about is what we do now and thats pound Zeke then bring in Pollard to spell him but really he runs the same runs.

the real answer is probably we should play the back that matches up with the defense best that game...if the strength of the defense is all in the middle you run pollard wide if they are a speed defense you pound Zeke.

 

[Otis313]

"Duh.............salary doesnt matter"

Hard to have a rational conversation with a casual fan that doesnt even factor in salary to the analysis.

Salary does matter to the ones that are paying the bill.
The last I checked you weren’t on that list.
Keep crying.

 

[RonnieT24]

They have your hero at a generous 15. And the backs you said were worse then Zeke.........kamara and McCaffrey they have far ahead of the slow and plodding Zeke.

Here is a good list: 2022 NFL Running Back Rankings and Tiers | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

One, I have never stated that either of these guys were "worse than Zeke" or anybody else. What I HAVE stated is that I will hitch my wagon to a guy who suits up for 95% of games over guys who can't get above 60-70%. No player has ever helped his team win standing on the sideline in street clothes. Nice attempt at a strawman though.

 

[RonnieT24]

Actually we are talking about 2 diferent plans as i told Ronnie, your correct in a change of pace situation as really Pollard would be spelling Zeke for series but Zeke would still be getting the workload most of the game. What this is talking about (I believe could be wrong ) is diferent plan where you begin the game with basically speed sets, sweeps short passing, generally making the defense move around and get a lead and then bring Zeke in fresh to pound home a tired defense...the carries are not predetermined they are used as the game goes...what your talking about is what we do now and thats pound Zeke then bring in Pollard to spell him but really he runs the same runs.

the real answer is probably we should play the back that matches up with the defense best that game...if the strength of the defense is all in the middle you run pollard wide if they are a speed defense you pound Zeke.

Almost right.. What we should do is go with the guy who is running it best. If they are running it roughly equal you go with the guy who pass blocks best because that's what the OC wants to do most of the time anyway. The only way you give Pollard more carries than Zeke is if he (Pollard is averaging) a ton more yards per tote than Zeke. Despite the proclamations of some, that really doesn't happen all that often. I do think they should use Pollard more as a receiver to get him in space more often. Running him between the tackles is really kind of a waste IMHO. Not that he sucks at it.. in fact he's shown very good power in his time in Dallas.. It just looks like he's less powerful than he is because we watch Zeke drag two and three defenders for 3-4 yards when there's no blocking and get used to seeing that. Then when Pollard is caught in the same situation he might wriggle back to the line of scrimmage but he's a good deal easier to get to the ground than Zeke is.. once you get ahold of him that is.. To his credit.. he's also a good deal tougher to get ahold of!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Actually we are talking about 2 diferent plans as i told Ronnie, your correct in a change of pace situation as really Pollard would be spelling Zeke for series but Zeke would still be getting the workload most of the game. What this is talking about (I believe could be wrong ) is diferent plan where you begin the game with basically speed sets, sweeps short passing, generally making the defense move around and get a lead and then bring Zeke in fresh to pound home a tired defense...the carries are not predetermined they are used as the game goes...what your talking about is what we do now and thats pound Zeke then bring in Pollard to spell him but really he runs the same runs.

the real answer is probably we should play the back that matches up with the defense best that game...if the strength of the defense is all in the middle you run pollard wide if they are a speed defense you pound Zeke.

Theres our problem. Moore has been spelling zeke.....instead of purposely designing deadly dual attack.
I dont want the defense to know zeke needs some air.....i want them to be "holy sheet....pollards in what do we do?....oh crap they're both in we're screwed!"
Big difference....

 

[CowboyFrog]

Theres our problem. Moore has been spelling zeke.....instead of purposely designing deadly dual attack.
I dont want the defense to know zeke needs some air.....i want them to be "holy sheet....pollards in what do we do?....oh crap they're both in we're screwed!"
Big difference....

I would love this and really with what our roster looks like its doable without leaving a 20mill a year WR as the odd man out now. if they would use Pollard this way as a jet i think it would work..not 100% of the time but why not 50% make the defense defend both and match Lamb, Shultz and Gallup... would love to see this. If Dak is "Running" healthy again this brings even more stress on the defense into the fold....

 

[RonnieT24]

I would love this and really with what our roster looks like its doable without leaving a 20mill a year WR as the odd man out now. if they would use Pollard this way as a jet i think it would work..not 100% of the time but why not 50% make the defense defend both and match Lamb, Shultz and Gallup... would love to see this. If Dak is "Running" healthy again this brings even more stress on the defense into the fold....

The jet sweep with Pollard averaged > 10 yards per carry during the first half of the season. For whatever reason Moore took it out of the playbook at about midseason. You'd have to ask him why that was. When they both were rolling the element of having the entire defense flow with Zeke then inside handoff to Pollard on the jet was deadly. Maybe the league outlawed it because it worked so well? Seriously don't get me started on how poor of a job Moore does in orchestrating the running game. He's just terrible at it IMHO and since he's smart guy I can only conclude that the only reason he isn't better at it is simply because he doesn't want to be. He doesn't think the running game is important.. "Yards are yards.."

 

[CowboyFrog]

The jet sweep with Pollard averaged > 10 yards per carry during the first half of the season. For whatever reason Moore took it out of the playbook at about midseason. You'd have to ask him why that was. When they both were rolling the element of having the entire defense flow with Zeke then inside handoff to Pollard on the jet was deadly. Maybe the league outlawed it because it worked so well? Seriously don't get me started on how poor of a job Moore does in orchestrating the running game. He's just terrible at it IMHO and since he's smart guy I can only conclude that the only reason he isn't better at it is simply because he doesn't want to be. He doesn't think the running game is important.. "Yards are yards.."

I mean its a ready made red zone offense to be honest just to start, again we dont know why he wont use it, but with Cooper gone there is no reason its not our formation at least 50% of the time. If he is true to "Yards are Yards" then this is what do...you go where the defense aint and keep moving it around pretty basic OC stuff to be honest.

 

[CowboyRoy]

One, I have never stated that either of these guys were "worse than Zeke" or anybody else. What I HAVE stated is that I will hitch my wagon to a guy who suits up for 95% of games over guys who can't get above 60-70%. No player has ever helped his team win standing on the sideline in street clothes. Nice attempt at a strawman though.

Yet your war hero Zeke comes in at #15 while the other guys are in the top tier. LOL

Only straw man here is you buddy. Enjoy the last year with your hero.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Salary does matter to the ones that are paying the bill.
The last I checked you weren’t on that list.
Keep crying.

Salaries matter to anyone that understands football and the salary cap.

But I get it. Your just not that devoted a fan to actually care about things like team management and building a winner.

So you actually have access to that list and you check it?

"Duh.............I dont care what these guys get paid, I dont pay the salary"

 

[CowboyRoy]

One, I have never stated that either of these guys were "worse than Zeke" or anybody else. What I HAVE stated is that I will hitch my wagon to a guy who suits up for 95% of games over guys who can't get above 60-70%. No player has ever helped his team win standing on the sideline in street clothes. Nice attempt at a strawman though.

70% of Kamara is way better than 100% of Zeke. Not even close.

You dont do your team any good playing hurt so you can get over 1000 yards for your own personal gain. What a selfish guy.

 

[conner01]

nope. Doesn’t work. Zelle not “starting” is proof Jerry screwed up and was wrong to pay Zeke. Jerry will never willfully admit that. It’ll never happen.

Starting doesn’t really matter. Touches does matter
Before he hurt his foot him and Zeke were almost 50/50 in touches so it’s obvious they wanted them to share touches which is probably what you will see this year. I think they may use pollard more in the pass game this year. With an explosive player it’s about getting the ball in his hands and in space so I’d love to see them use him more in screens and passing routes. Get him the ball in space and let him do his thing

 

[Ranching]

With everyone talking about Pollard getting more carries and being more involved, doesn't it make more sense for Zeke to come in after Pollard?

Why not use Pollard to wear teams down before we smash them with Zeke's fresh legs? Flip the script a little. In the past, we've brought in Pollard for clean up duty. I would like to see Zeke come in after Pollard has had 10-12 carries. Or specifically in the redzone.

This doesn't have to be all the time.

But given that both of our backs can legitimately start for us, I don't see why it's necessary to always start with Zeke.

I'm sure there are a few times they've started the game with Pollard, but I'm talking about getting momentum going for several series and then bringing in Zeke. I think it makes more sense to roll with Zeke inside the redzone as well, since he's a more powerful back.

Does anyone else think we should change the strategy and stop thinking along such traditional lines?

I get what they're trying to do, but I just think Zeke would be harder to handle if he came in on fresh legs. I think we'd see his YPC average rise, while Pollard's would likely decrease. But overall, I think this strategy would work better against some teams.

Also, not knowing who we'll start makes us slightly more difficult to prepare for, so this could change from week-to-week.

I'm a big Kellen Moore fan, and I know it's not all in his control, but I would like to see him push for this approach for some games.

Pollard couldn't start in College....he's a part time and change of pace, player. No more

 

[john van brocklin]

With everyone talking about Pollard getting more carries and being more involved, doesn't it make more sense for Zeke to come in after Pollard?

Why not use Pollard to wear teams down before we smash them with Zeke's fresh legs? Flip the script a little. In the past, we've brought in Pollard for clean up duty. I would like to see Zeke come in after Pollard has had 10-12 carries. Or specifically in the redzone.

This doesn't have to be all the time.

But given that both of our backs can legitimately start for us, I don't see why it's necessary to always start with Zeke.

I'm sure there are a few times they've started the game with Pollard, but I'm talking about getting momentum going for several series and then bringing in Zeke. I think it makes more sense to roll with Zeke inside the redzone as well, since he's a more powerful back.

Does anyone else think we should change the strategy and stop thinking along such traditional lines?

I get what they're trying to do, but I just think Zeke would be harder to handle if he came in on fresh legs. I think we'd see his YPC average rise, while Pollard's would likely decrease. But overall, I think this strategy would work better against some teams.

Also, not knowing who we'll start makes us slightly more difficult to prepare for, so this could change from week-to-week.

I'm a big Kellen Moore fan, and I know it's not all in his control, but I would like to see him push for this approach for some games.

Both running backs are good.
Hope they both get a ton of carries.

 

[Otis313]

One, I have never stated that either of these guys were "worse than Zeke" or anybody else. What I HAVE stated is that I will hitch my wagon to a guy who suits up for 95% of games over guys who can't get above 60-70%. No player has ever helped his team win standing on the sideline in street clothes. Nice attempt at a strawman though.

Salaries matter to anyone that understands football and the salary cap.

But I get it. Your just not that devoted a fan to actually care about things like team management and building a winner.

So you actually have access to that list and you check it?

"Duh.............I dont care what these guys get paid, I dont pay the salary"

i have been a Cowboys fan

so I certainly don’t give a **** about your sorry a** approval.
You act like you know everything about the Cowboys and how it’s should be run.

Salaries matter to anyone that understands football and the salary cap.

But I get it. Your just not that devoted a fan to actually care about things like team management and building a winner.

So you actually have access to that list and you check it?

"Duh.............I dont care what these guys get paid, I dont pay the salary" [/QUOTE

I’ve been a fan long enough that I certainly don’t need approval from you.
I’m assuming that your around 12 since your using emoji’s to show how much of a db you really are.
In the end my opinion means the same as your opinion to Jerry. Nothing.
So you can take all your wisdom and knowledge and fandom crap and blow it in someone else’s ***.

 

[CowboyRoy]

i have been a Cowboys fan

so I certainly don’t give a **** about your sorry a** approval.
You act like you know everything about the Cowboys and how it’s should be run.

You mean you have been a casual Cowboys fan?

Well, I would be a lot better than you would. Seeing as though you dont care what you pay your players or the value and production in relation to what you pay them. LOL

 

[CowboyFrog]

Pollard couldn't start in College....he's a part time and change of pace, player. No more

He could be more than a change of pace but no I dont think giving him the ball 30 times a game is a good idea (unless the defense is ignoring him), but again having them both on the field drawing attention with Lamb, Gallup and Schultz to me is the best scenario. Make them cover more than the 0 and 1 whole in the running game.

 

[JBS]

Starting doesn’t really matter. Touches does matter
Before he hurt his foot him and Zeke were almost 50/50 in touches so it’s obvious they wanted them to share touches which is probably what you will see this year. I think they may use pollard more in the pass game this year. With an explosive player it’s about getting the ball in his hands and in space so I’d love to see them use him more in screens and passing routes. Get him the ball in space and let him do his thing

Doesn’t matter to you. Sure as heck matters to the boss

 

[Otis313]

Well, I would be a lot better than you would. Seeing as though you dont care what you pay your players or the value and production in relation to what you pay them. LOL[
If I was a Owner of an NFL team, obviously I would care about salaries.
When you are just a fan of a team, coming to a forum and pretending your an owner and super fan means nothing to anybody, especially the Dallas Cowboys.
If your such a super football guru, save up your pennies, buy a team and come back here and say I told you so.
If not,which I’m sure won’t happen, move on to someone else that might buy your b.s.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So you dont care how your owner is screwing up his team by handing out dumb contracts to average players? Thats not how you win championships. As a highly devoted fan these type of mistakes are very important to me. How Jerry runs the operation has a direct affect on my enjoyment of the product. If you cant understand those simple concepts buddy, then thats fine. But why should I waste my time having conversations with a fan that doesnt even factor in things like salary when talking about player analysis.

But just for the record. I wouldn't want Zeke as my RB for 18 million per year or 3 million year.

How about a simple question for you? Do you think Zeke's huge salary has anything to do with how much he plays?