Contrary to belief, we're rebuilding

[ShiningStar]

Even though I wanted Manziel, I'm glad we drafted for need(s). Look at the teams that are competing in our division (Panthers, 9ers, Seahawks) who all have recently rebuilt.. We're drafting exactly how they did, beef up the o-line/ d-line.

A lot of people wanted to take a safety in the first which is understandable, but not every team is going to have an Earl Thomas in the back; content with ours for now (church and Wilcox)

I think we'll contend again in 2-3 years. My hopes aren't high for this season bc I'm not going to disappoint myself, per usual.

Just my 2 Lincoln's.

you brought two logs to the debate? that is one out doorsy kinda guy.

 

[Vanilla2]

I blame Aristotle for this. People just have to label things and put it in a categorical box. Aristotles' Categories was the inspiration for this mode of thought in the Renaissance and people trying to force everything into said boxes stunted thought for centuries. Not everything fits into a box.

I've placed you in the box of good posters.

And I've placed one poster in the ignored box and it's really cleaned this experience up for me.

 

[CF74]

So

How does that address the point? Our turnover has essentially been the same as the rest of the league. Turnover is natural, because of cutting costs, aging players reaching the end of their terms, and so forth. Miles Austin for example, leaves an open void because of a hamstring injury and now making room for costs. It's not like they didn't think they had their second WR.

every team in the league completely replaces every player on the Oline in the middle or end of its QB's career and makes the statement, "We are in rebuilding mode?"

You missed that presser several years ago huh?

 

[boysfanindc]

I blame Aristotle for this. People just have to label things and put it in a categorical box. Aristotles' Categories was the inspiration for this mode of thought in the Renaissance and people trying to force everything into said boxes stunted thought for centuries. Not everything fits into a box.

He also said: It is the mark of a educated mind, to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

I always thought that quote would go a long way around here.

 

[Ashwynn]

Even though I wanted Manziel, I'm glad we drafted for need(s). Look at the teams that are competing in our division (Panthers, 9ers, Seahawks) who all have recently rebuilt.. We're drafting exactly how they did, beef up the o-line/ d-line.

A lot of people wanted to take a safety in the first which is understandable, but not every team is going to have an Earl Thomas in the back; content with ours for now (church and Wilcox)

I think we'll contend again in 2-3 years. My hopes aren't high for this season bc I'm not going to disappoint myself, per usual.

Just my 2 Lincoln's.

None of those teams are in our division. Were in the east with NY Giants, Filthy Eagirls and the red people from DC. Talking conference and you got it, but not division.

 

[khiladi]

So

every team in the league completely replaces every player on the Oline in the middle or end of its QB's career and makes the statement, "We are in rebuilding mode?"

You missed that presser several years ago huh?

Yes, they actually do replace players all the time, which led me to my statement that our TO ration is right there with the rest of the league.

Fact number two is Garrett said we were rebuilding when he first became the coach, thus his allusion to 'process' from the very beginning. It's year 4 now. And s you don't fire coaches like Rob Ryan, saying he didn't get enough turnovers allowing more chance on offense, cause your rebuilding. If we were rebuilding, including our defense, then please explain why that excuse wasn't used for Rob Ryan?

LOL, you even used defensive line as an excuse, when Spencer got a contract extension last year, Hatcher was in a contract year and said he's going wherever the money is going, they gave Ratliff an extension, but he went sour grapes, and Ware just got too banged-up to play and wouldn't take a pay cut.

 

[CF74]

Yes, they actually do replace players all the time, which led me to my statement that our TO ration is right there with the rest of the league.

Fact number two is Garrett said we were rebuilding when he first became the coach, thus his allusion to 'process' from the very beginning. It's year 4 now. And s you don't fire coaches like Rob Ryan, saying he didn't get enough turnovers allowing more chance on offense, cause your rebuilding. If we were rebuilding, including our defense, then please explain why that excuse wasn't used for Rob Ryan?

LOL, you even used defensive line as an excuse, when Spencer got a contract extension last year, Hatcher was in a contract year and said he's going wherever the money is going, they gave Ratliff an extension, but he went sour grapes, and Ware just got too banged-up to play and wouldn't take a pay cut.

It's real simple:

A) Jerrry lives in win now mode thus over paying aging vets. It seems he Finally learned his lesson quite recently.
B) Garrett does his best to appease his boss while going about what needs to be done with the gradual increase in power. ie the process...

 

[tideh20heel]

There are a lot of teams out there that wish they had romo,dez,murray,and our o-line. Granted I don't think we are a playoff team, that doesn't mean this this team is rebuilding.

Not many teams are pining for a 34 year old qb with 2 back surgeries. The team would need to be pretty good and lacking a top flight qb for them to win in Romo's rapidly closing window. Romo on the Rams would be lethal. Perhaps the Cards. Otherwise they would be in the same situation we are in above average qb but not good enough to contend in the short time before Tony is done. We are putting a solid foundation in place for the next guy however and I applaud them for that.

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

Not many teams are pining for a 34 year old qb with 2 back surgeries. The team would need to be pretty good and lacking a top flight qb for them to win in Romo's rapidly closing window. Romo on the Rams would be lethal. Perhaps the Cards. Otherwise they would be in the same situation we are in above average qb but not good enough to contend in the short time before Tony is done. We are putting a solid foundation in place for the next guy however and I applaud them for that.

Romo is not that old, I have no idea how severe the injury is, but if it isn't that serious there is no reason he can't give us a good 3-4 more years.

 

[khiladi]

It's real simple:

A) Jerrry lives in win now mode thus over paying aging vets. It seems he Finally learned his lesson quite recently.
B) Garrett does his best to appease his boss while going about what needs to be done with the gradual increase in power. ie the process...

How did he learn recently? Ware got injured and they had hug salary cap expenses, because he wasn't gonna take a pay-cut. Ratliff just turned out to be a grade A mental head-case and Spencer got injured, right after a contract extension. Hatcher said he was going to test the market and try and make as much money as he could. They had guys off the street last year unintentionally. And they needed to fill their holes this year because of it. It has nothing to do with a rebuilding process and long-term vision on the part of Jones or Garrett.

 

[Hoov]

It's real simple:

A) Jerrry lives in win now mode thus over paying aging vets. It seems he Finally learned his lesson quite recently.
B) Garrett does his best to appease his boss while going about what needs to be done with the gradual increase in power. ie the process...

Yes,

They have been rebuilding - when they started to let higher paid vets go with no one to replace them the first year that Garrett was HC that should signal rebuild.

Of course you dont tell your fans that if you want to sell tickets and merchandise and what owner does not want to do that ?

So you go into a 3-4 year process of rebuilding but fortunately you have a QB that can keep the team "relevant" during the rebuild process. And have Garrett stick tyo the company line and talk about the process etc, etc.

And the owner will keep saying things like - as long as the cowboys are relevant or we always have a chance with Romo, or having Romo gives us are best chance to win now etc, etc.

And i dont blame them one bit. Neither one of them is lying. But you have to read between the lines a little.

I think that is why Jerry gives Jason a long leash - I think They both agreed to rebuild under Jason knowing that there would be some tough growing pains and that Jason would take a lot of heat which he has.

As far as Romo - it is unfortunate for his career that this is the case. Comparatively speaking, Russell Wilson stepped into a great situation as did Collin Kaepernick. Timing in sports can have such an impact or an indiviaduals career.

 

[tideh20heel]

Romo is not that old, I have no idea how severe the injury is, but if it isn't that serious there is no reason he can't give us a good 3-4 more years.

There are definitely two Romo camps and the divide between the two is vast and unbridgable. You correctly feel he has been a quality player and could have something left in the tank. I fall on the other side of the fence and have seen enough of him and am frustrated by the lack of playoff wins and the unique ways he would create to lose games. He may have a few years left but I am excited to see what the next chapter of Dallas Cowboys football looks like and this oline full of studs will be a big part of it.

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

There are definitely two Romo camps and the divide between the two is vast and unbridgable. You correctly feel he has been a quality player and could have something left in the tank. I fall on the other side of the fence and have seen enough of him and am frustrated by the lack of playoff wins and the unique ways he would create to lose games. He may have a few years left but I am excited to see what the next chapter of Dallas Cowboys football looks like and this oline full of studs will be a big part of it.

Is Romo the perfect player? No of course not, but you aren't going to find a better qb right now. Not all of the lack of playoff success is on him. He was terrible in the Commander game two years ago, but he had a really good year last year, it wasn't his fault the d gave up the 3rd most yards in the history of the league.

 

[Nightman]

I would say we are pretty much rebuilt. There aren't that many holes left on the team. The Offense is set. The Defense is full of talented young players. They just have to execute and stay healthy.

 

[tideh20heel]

Is Romo the perfect player? No of course not, but you aren't going to find a better qb right now. Not all of the lack of playoff success is on him. He was terrible in the Commander game two years ago, but he had a really good year last year, it wasn't his fault the d gave up the 3rd most yards in the history of the league.

I guess my frustration is his inability to get over the hump. I feel like his time has come and gone and it's time to move on. I realize financially that is impossible for the next couple years but I kind of seeing as something we are stuck with rather than an asset

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I blame Aristotle for this. People just have to label things and put it in a categorical box. Aristotles' Categories was the inspiration for this mode of thought in the Renaissance and people trying to force everything into said boxes stunted thought for centuries. Not everything fits into a box.

Aristotle is not all that. He went downhill when he met Jackie. Jackie should have just stuck to dating Nikita Kruschev and we wold not half a Cold War. We wold half had a warm romantic world. Aristotle need to do more good things in this world and not party so much on his yaht ship. Look where it got him, huh?

 

[theSHOW]

Me.

me

 

[OhSnap]

The term "rebuilding" means different things to different people and can be done using more than one method.

 

[casmith07]

Even though I wanted Manziel, I'm glad we drafted for need(s). Look at the teams that are competing in our division (Panthers, 9ers, Seahawks) who all have recently rebuilt.. We're drafting exactly how they did, beef up the o-line/ d-line.

A lot of people wanted to take a safety in the first which is understandable, but not every team is going to have an Earl Thomas in the back; content with ours for now (church and Wilcox)

I think we'll contend again in 2-3 years. My hopes aren't high for this season bc I'm not going to disappoint myself, per usual.

Just my 2 Lincoln's.

I think we'll compete for the division, but I think we're one more draft away from being a conference contender.

We'll see though - I hope I'm pleasantly surprised otherwise!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Even though I wanted Manziel, I'm glad we drafted for need(s). Look at the teams that are competing in our division (Panthers, 9ers, Seahawks) who all have recently rebuilt.. We're drafting exactly how they did, beef up the o-line/ d-line.

A lot of people wanted to take a safety in the first which is understandable, but not every team is going to have an Earl Thomas in the back; content with ours for now (church and Wilcox)

I think we'll contend again in 2-3 years. My hopes aren't high for this season bc I'm not going to disappoint myself, per usual.

Just my 2 Lincoln's.

do not feel bad about Manziel. The short one will learn real fast how fast and tall NFL linemens is and belief me, he will wilt under a NFL rush.

Bortles and Garapollo were the only franchise QBs that I and my butane tank technician could detect. Both will go on to greatness. Borles will show quick greatness and Gapaollo will wait until Tom Brady is through, maybe in about 2 year.

I am happy with our draft. As the Rolling Stones once said to madonna, "you can't always get what you want-un." and that is very true. We wanted defense, defense, defense and we got a good O lineman (Murray should be happy and the defensive coach should be happy to half his team off the field when we half a good running game). Then we got a great Boise State D lineman and plenty of bodies to look at for our defense.

It is easy to complain. Easier than Spike Lee telling the refs theyis wrong. But it is far more dificult to really know what we half until we start playing.

It could half been better. But it could half been worse.

I do not know if this is the first step to respectability (I half been fooled before) but to me not being all out of sorts and screaming at the tv in the halfway house lobby, tells me a lot. And it tells me we did A-OK and I'm good with that.