Conviction Against Brendan Dassey of ‘Making a Murderer’ Is Overturned

[Nightman]

You can't say that blood vile was not tampered with. No clue if the blood was planted but the vile was def tampered with.

the vial was not tampered with.....the hole is always there in those type of tubes....it is how the blood gets into the vial......anyone that wanted blood would just pull the stopper and put it back in.....they wouldn't need to stick a needle thru the cap...they found no EDTA in the blood from the crime scene and there was definitely EDTA in the blood in the vial

 

[Dodger12]

His stupidity was overplayed and his mother was there for both interviews..... the cops are not under any obligation to stop listening when a person willingly talks.... and even the stupid can be charged with crimes, there is no constitutional protection for being dumb, impatient or confused.....I could be led to believe Brendan's involvement was after the murder and that he was really scared of Steve but he is no innocent babe in the junkyard

He has already served 10 years and if he agreed to an Alford plea or no lo contendere and was given time served with 10 years of stringent probation in exchange for just telling the truth as he remembers then that would be fair, imo

Dassey had details that only someone involved in the murder would know, down to the items in the fire pit and what was placed above her body, as well her personal possessions that were burned in the pit. He had knowledge of how her body was disposed. He felt guilt about what happened and he told one of his relatives about it and she told school officials who then called the police. But people will believe what they want to believe I guess.

 

[Dodger12]

Additionally, the fact that a person with his mental capacity was put through multiple grueling interrogations without representation should be grounds for bringing charges against those who signed off on the matter.

I believe he did have representation for the follow-up interviews but the question as whether that representation was adequate. And as bkight mentioned, his mother agreed to the initial interviews at the school.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

the vial was not tampered with.....the hole is always there in those type of tubes....it is how the blood gets into the vial......anyone that wanted blood would just pull the stopper and put it back in.....they wouldn't need to stick a needle thru the cap...they found no EDTA in the blood from the crime scene and there was definitely EDTA in the blood in the vial

A) the "do not tamper" stickers on the box and vial were tampered with.

B) the edta test was not considered significant you capable of returning an accurate result. I think I read it's accuracy was in the 30% range. Think about it...a test everyone said was impossible they managed to come up with in a couple weeks and the prosecution didn't give the defense time to come up with their own test. The test as it was would only return 2 results...edta present or no edta/test failed. When no edta and the test failed come back as the same result...that's a major flaw in that test. It was a failure.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Dassey had details that only someone involved in the murder would know, down to the items in the fire pit and what was placed above her body, as well her personal possessions that were burned in the pit. He had knowledge of how her body was disposed. He felt guilt about what happened and he told one of his relatives about it and she told school officials who then called the police. But people will believe what they want to believe I guess.

He had knowledge of her rape, bondage in the bedroom and of her blood everywhere....yet none of that was found lol. The kid could be led to say it was Batman that did it.

 

[Dodger12]

He had knowledge of her rape, bondage in the bedroom and of her blood everywhere....yet none of that was found lol. The kid could be led to say it was Batman that did it.

He had knowledge that she was killed in the garage and they found a .22 with her DNA on it. He stated that they tried to clean the crime scene and they found his jeans with chlorine stains on it. He told them that Avery went under the hood of the victim's car and they found his DNA under the hood. He stated Avery put the victim in her can and they found her DNA in it. He told the detectives that they collected items, including tires, from Avery's yard and threw them in the burn pit where, of course, those items were found. He told the police she was bound with leg irons and the police found leg irons.

No doubt Dassey was not very bright but he knew enough to lead a reasonable person to believe he was involved (in some way) and Avery killed the girl.

 

[Hoofbite]

I believe he did have representation for the follow-up interviews but the question as whether that representation was adequate. And as bkight mentioned, his mother agreed to the initial interviews at the school.

Really doesn't make much of a difference in my mind. You can't acknowledge that he has a pretty significant developmental delay and then be okay posing questions to him without representation. Whether or not it was signed off by his mom (who is not much further up the IQ tree than he is) doesn't really make much of a difference because you're taking advantage of someone who barely understands what is occurring. Well, I guess you can, but you can't be honest with yourself and do all that.

If not at this kid's mental capacity, then at what level of delay would these guys have decided that it was inappropriate to question him by himself?

 

[Dodger12]

Really doesn't make much of a difference in my mind. You can't acknowledge that he has a pretty significant developmental delay and then be okay posing questions to him without representation. Whether or not it was signed off by his mom (who is not much further up the IQ tree than he is) doesn't really make much of a difference because you're taking advantage of someone who barely understands what is occurring. Well, I guess you can, but you can't be honest with yourself and do all that.

If not at this kid's mental capacity, then at what level of delay would these guys have decided that it was inappropriate to question him by himself?

What do you mean take advantage of someone? These detectives were investigating a homicide. It's not their job to ascertain the person's IQ level. They did what they were supposed to do and they did so legally. And then they re-interviewed him with legal representation. His attorneys thought he was guilty and they tried to work out a deal with the State.

It'll be interesting if the State appeals the judge's decision or they let it go with the time he's served.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

He had knowledge that she was killed in the garage and they found a .22 with her DNA on it. He stated that they tried to clean the crime scene and they found his jeans with chlorine stains on it. He told them that Avery went under the hood of the victim's car and they found his DNA under the hood. He stated Avery put the victim in her can and they found her DNA in it. He told the detectives that they collected items, including tires, from Avery's yard and threw them in the burn pit where, of course, those items were found. He told the police she was bound with leg irons and the police found leg irons.

No doubt Dassey was not very bright but he knew enough to lead a reasonable person to believe he was involved (in some way) and Avery killed the girl.

There are two types of bleach.

Chlorine bleach and oxygen bleach.

Chlorine bleach will cause the bleach spots on his jeans but it will not remove hemoglobin.

Oxygen bleach will remove hemoglobin but it will not cause bleach stains on clothing because it's a color safe chemical.

In other words...neither chemical can both remove blood residue and cause spots on his jeans.

Next.

 

[Passepartout]

Avery has a one strike against him for a first murder. In which he was cleared and was paid a lot of money over in a lawsuit. And now a second one. In where he will only leave in a box. There is a saying "innocent til proven guilty." But now that seems to have gone out the window. Justice is not perfect in the USA. But it is the best about in our country.

 

[Dodger12]

There are two types of bleach.

Chlorine bleach and oxygen bleach.

Chlorine bleach will cause the bleach spots on his jeans but it will not remove hemoglobin.

Oxygen bleach will remove hemoglobin but it will not cause bleach stains on clothing because it's a color safe chemical.

In other words...neither chemical can both remove blood residue and cause spots on his jeans.

Next.

What does that have to do with his pants? Bleach was used in an attempt to clean the crime scene. The stains on Dassey's pants confirm that part of his story. And I bet that Avery wasn't the first perp who tried to clean a crime scene with regular bleach. In any event, I never said either of these guys were rocket scientists.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

What does that have to do with his pants? Bleach was used in an attempt to clean the crime scene. The stains on Dassey's pants confirm that part of his story. And I bet that Avery wasn't the first perp who tried to clean a crime scene with regular bleach. In any event, I never said either of these guys were rocket scientists.

I guess I need to write it more simple.

Bleach that will stain your clothes won't remove blood.

 

[EST_1986]

I guess I need to write it more simple.

Bleach that will stain your clothes won't remove blood.

and no blood was found at the scene of this supposed vicious crime

 

[Dodger12]

I guess I need to write it more simple.

Bleach that will stain your clothes won't remove blood.

You should keep it simple for your own sake. It's the only way any of this will make sense in your world.

Just because the bleach will not properly clean the crime scene, that doesn't mean that Avery knew that (at the time). The fact Avery and Dassey tried to clean the crime scene, as evidenced by Dassey's jeans, adds credibility to Dasey's statements. In addition, Dassey stated that they used gasoline and paint thinner (I think) along with the bleach. Again, pointing out specifics in his statement which you initially and mistakenly claimed there were none that were backed by evidence.

I pointed out six instances where Dassey's statements to police were corroborated by evidence and there may be more. You point to the bleach. Burning a body in a fire pit in your back yard is not the smartest way to dispose of a body. Most people know that a body/bones will not be completely disintegrated but Avery thought it would work, just like he thought using normal bleach and other chemicals would clean a crime scene. Just like he thought his two blocked calls to the victim on the day she was killed couldn't be traced (and then he called her without blocking his number after he killed her to make it seems like she never showed up). Like I said, this guy is not a rocket scientist.

 

[Dodger12]

and no blood was found at the scene of this supposed vicious crime

So when DNA/blood or other evidence is found, it was planted. But when it's not found, it points to Avery's innocence. What folks can't reconcile is that IF police planted evidence, they didn't do in the one spot (garage) which would make their case rock solid. You can add the bedroom as well.

If we're to believe Avery, then multiple police agencies (including the FBI) methodically conspired to frame Avery by planting evidence yet they didn't plant evidence in the most crucial places to solidify their cover up. You can't have it both ways.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

So when DNA/blood or other evidence is found, it was planted. But when it's not found, it points to Avery's innocence. What folks can't reconcile is that IF police planted evidence, they didn't do in the one spot (garage) which would make their case rock solid. You can add the bedroom as well.

If we're to believe Avery, then multiple police agencies (including the FBI) methodically conspired to frame Avery by planting evidence yet they didn't plant evidence in the most crucial places to solidify their cover up. You can't have it both ways.

So she was viciously murdered, bleach wont clean up blood, and yet not a single drop of her blood is ever anywhere where dassey said the murders happened.

Not on his bed.
Not on the flooring in his bedroom.
Not on the garage floor.

That garage was piled sky high with crap...not a single drop of blood on anything in the entire garage.

No blood drops in any of his vehicles...since he would have had to transport the bodies to make the entire pile of evidence fit together.

No blood drops in his yard.

No blood drops anywhere. Zero. Zlich. None.

Forensic experts, with decades of experience, are on the record stating that even a PROFESSIONAL with the right chemicals and training and knowledge couldnt have pulled off making every drop of blood disappear.

Yet we're supposed to believe two low IQ individuals pulled it off with chlorine bleach that wont make blood disappear.

Heck...you've convinced me, these two guys are actually genius magicians.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

So when DNA/blood or other evidence is found, it was planted. But when it's not found, it points to Avery's innocence. What folks can't reconcile is that IF police planted evidence, they didn't do in the one spot (garage) which would make their case rock solid. You can add the bedroom as well.

If we're to believe Avery, then multiple police agencies (including the FBI) methodically conspired to frame Avery by planting evidence yet they didn't plant evidence in the most crucial places to solidify their cover up. You can't have it both ways.

The keys were 100% knowingly planted. Its well documented.

The bullet was found by someone NOT allowed to be there.

You still havent explained the local police calling in the license plate, make and model of vehicle BEFORE its found.

 

[Dodger12]

So she was viciously murdered, bleach wont clean up blood, and yet not a single drop of her blood is ever anywhere where dassey said the murders happened.

Not on his bed.
Not on the flooring in his bedroom.
Not on the garage floor.

That garage was piled sky high with crap...not a single drop of blood on anything in the entire garage.

No blood drops in any of his vehicles...since he would have had to transport the bodies to make the entire pile of evidence fit together.

No blood drops in his yard.

No blood drops anywhere. Zero. Zlich. None.

Forensic experts, with decades of experience, are on the record stating that even a PROFESSIONAL with the right chemicals and training and knowledge couldnt have pulled off making every drop of blood disappear.

Yet we're supposed to believe two low IQ individuals pulled it off with chlorine bleach that wont make blood disappear.

Heck...you've convinced me, these two guys are actually genius magicians.

Obviously there's no blood/DNA anywhere since the police forgot to plant it in the most damning places to make their case.

In any event, there was blood in the victim's vehicle where Dassey said Avery put her after the murder so there goes that idea that there was no blood found anywhere.

And no one really knows how she was killed except for Avery and Dassey. They could have had plastic on the floor to collect any blood when they shot her. All the questions are never answered in any case, let alone a murder case. There's still overwhelming evidence that points to Avery from the blocked phone calls, to the DNA evidence, to the body in the fire pit, to the vehicle at Avery's lot, to the circumstantial evidence and so on. None of us will ever know all the facts unless Avery finds God and confesses. But the guy in a psychopath. Even the woman that lived with him thinks he did it.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Obviously there's no blood/DNA anywhere since the police forgot to plant it in the most damning places to make their case.

In any event, there was blood in the victim's vehicle where Dassey said Avery put her after the murder so there goes that idea that there was no blood found anywhere.

And no one really knows how she was killed except for Avery and Dassey. They could have had plastic on the floor to collect any blood when they shot her. All the questions are never answered in any case, let alone a murder case. There's still overwhelming evidence that points to Avery from the blocked phone calls, to the DNA evidence, to the body in the fire pit, to the vehicle at Avery's lot, to the circumstantial evidence and so on. None of us will ever know all the facts unless Avery finds God and confesses. But the guy in a psychopath. Even the woman that lived with him thinks he did it.

No blood from Teresa on any of averys property. period. All the 80 places they claim she was murdered...no blood.

So now you're telling me 2 guys spread enough plastic around and shot someone to collect every single drop of blood....lol. This is comical at this point.

Just go ahead and say it...Steven and Brenden are geniuses who faked their IQ tests to appear stupid.

 

[Dodger12]

The keys were 100% knowingly planted. Its well documented.

The bullet was found by someone NOT allowed to be there.

You still havent explained the local police calling in the license plate, make and model of vehicle BEFORE its found.

The keys were not 100% planted and, if they were, how did Avery's DNA get on them? I guess they planted his DNA on the keys but forgot to do the same in the bedroom and the garage. Again, those are questions that can't be answered by the conspiracy theorists.

In addition, the police run the license plate or request the license plate of a missing person? I don't find that odd. I'd check to see if the tag was recently run by another department or get the exact make and model of the vehicle since that's what you're looking for first prior to seeing the actual license plate. Or am I supposed to believe that police had the vehicle in their possession and ran the license plate to let the world know they had the vehicle in their possession? It makes no sense.

And if the police planted the bullet as well, how did the victim's DNA get on the bullet? Maybe the police killed her to frame Avery? And where did the police get the bullet if Avery's gun was in his bedroom?