Conviction Against Brendan Dassey of ‘Making a Murderer’ Is Overturned

[65fastback2plus2]

Exactly right.

Not only did the police depts in this area have to find out what happened to the missing woman (soon to be a murder investigation) they had to organize a quick plan to frame Steve Avery over it?

No way.

It actually only took 2-3 people to do the framing.

People with knowledge of operations, times, schedules, and access to evidence.

Keys not there....averys not allowed on property....viola, keys suddenly there!

Nothing suspect in the garage....time goes by....voila, dna suddenly there!

And how is it that Lenk or Colburn is always involved...

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It actually only took 2-3 people to do the framing.

People with knowledge of operations, times, schedules, and access to evidence.

Keys not there....averys not allowed on property....viola, keys suddenly there!

Nothing suspect in the garage....time goes by....voila, dna suddenly there!

And how is it that Lenk or Colburn is always involved...

You read too many mystery novels.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

You read too many mystery novels.

I wish...aint got time fo reeeeedin'

 

[Denim Chicken]

So she was viciously murdered, bleach wont clean up blood, and yet not a single drop of her blood is ever anywhere where dassey said the murders happened.

Not on his bed.
Not on the flooring in his bedroom.
Not on the garage floor.

That garage was piled sky high with crap...not a single drop of blood on anything in the entire garage.

No blood drops in any of his vehicles...since he would have had to transport the bodies to make the entire pile of evidence fit together.

No blood drops in his yard.

No blood drops anywhere. Zero. Zlich. None.

Forensic experts, with decades of experience, are on the record stating that even a PROFESSIONAL with the right chemicals and training and knowledge couldnt have pulled off making every drop of blood disappear.

Yet we're supposed to believe two low IQ individuals pulled it off with chlorine bleach that wont make blood disappear.

Heck...you've convinced me, these two guys are actually genius magicians.

This is the main thing that causes me suspicion. The details of the murder that Dassey confessed had them cutting her, shooting her, doing all kinds of things. Then the only blood they can find is on a bullet in the garage and some smears in the car?

 

[65fastback2plus2]

This is the main thing that causes me suspicion. The details of the murder that Dassey confessed had them cutting her, shooting her, doing all kinds of things. Then the only blood they can find is on a bullet in the garage and some smears in the car?

It should 100% cause suspicion.

Dassey had 2 different murder stories, and the evidence aligned with NEITHER.

Further, the bullet didnt even have blood on it. The only thing they stated was it had her DNA on it. That bullet made it all the way across the garage with her DNA on it, yet steven and brenden were some how dumb but smart enough to clean up the murder scene better than a professional with the correct chemicals could have.

Its completely impossible.

Further, these two were genius enough to clean up blood at a professional level, but they were so dumb they couldnt manage to hide a car or some bones better?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Same reason we don't pull up the easy boy to watch teachers, doctors, etc on Sundays

What's an easy boy?

 

[yimyammer]

What's an easy boy?

lol, should have said "Lazy"

I assume thats what you were driving at?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

lol, should have said "Lazy"

I assume thats what you were driving at?

I'm getting older now. I take nothing for granted. The simplest words and phrases seem to have meanings that never match up to what I think.

LOL.....

 

[yimyammer]

I'm getting older now. I take nothing for granted. The simplest words and phrases seem to have meanings that never match up to what I think.

LOL.....

right there with you chief, I just turned 50 and I'm doing stuff like this seemingly all the time and wouldn't have ever noticed the mistake had you not pointed it out, scares me a bit

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Bull hockey. The government covers up HUGEEEEE stuff all the time.

How long was the NSA's junk covered up and hid before Snowden leaked it?

We're talking sometimes decades this stuff is covered up: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...n-chancellery-decades-wikileaks-claims-merkel

And in each case a whistle-blower spoke up, which speaks exactly to my point.

And let's not conflate the two cases (wikileaks and this Dassey case). You're talking about a small-time podunk police department working together in secret in a concerted effort to cover this up? Surely, there have been changes in personnel at the police department in the years since the case closed and not one former employee or even current employee under the cloak of anonymity has said anything. Color me skeptical.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

And in each case a whistle-blower spoke up, which speaks exactly to my point.

And let's not conflate the two cases (wikileaks and this Dassey case). You're talking about a small-time podunk police department working together in secret in a concerted effort to cover this up? Surely, there have been changes in personnel at the police department in the years since the case closed and not one former employee or even current employee under the cloak of anonymity has said anything. Color me skeptical.

In addition, there have been no other murders.

This was barbaric in how it played out... It was no accidental killing.

Whoever did this certainly has the capability of doing it again.

Yet there haven't been any.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

And in each case a whistle-blower spoke up, which speaks exactly to my point.

And let's not conflate the two cases (wikileaks and this Dassey case). You're talking about a small-time podunk police department working together in secret in a concerted effort to cover this up? Surely, there have been changes in personnel at the police department in the years since the case closed and not one former employee or even current employee under the cloak of anonymity has said anything. Color me skeptical.

Because people in general dont care as long as it doesnt effect themselves.

Thats why professional estimates say 30,000 innocent people are in jail in the US right now...because, it never happens.

You mean like this recent case...20 years in prison before someone managed to find prosecutor misconduct

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/27/men-convicted-of-murder-freed/70547478/

The Cincinnati-based Ohio Innocence Project, which has been fighting for the men for about a decade, learned in 2013 that Carmen Marino, a top Cuyahoga Countyprosecutor, had sent a letter in 1998 to East Cleveland police telling them not to provide appellate attorneys with the investigative file from the Hudson slaying and to instead send the file to him.

It took 20 years for the evidence of tampering to surface.

It happens. No reason to be skeptical.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And in each case a whistle-blower spoke up, which speaks exactly to my point.

And let's not conflate the two cases (wikileaks and this Dassey case). You're talking about a small-time podunk police department working together in secret in a concerted effort to cover this up? Surely, there have been changes in personnel at the police department in the years since the case closed and not one former employee or even current employee under the cloak of anonymity has said anything. Color me skeptical.

Chappaquiddick?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Because people in general dont care as long as it doesnt effect themselves.

Thats why professional estimates say 30,000 innocent people are in jail in the US right now...because, it never happens.

You mean like this recent case...20 years in prison before someone managed to find prosecutor misconduct

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/27/men-convicted-of-murder-freed/70547478/



It took 20 years for the evidence of tampering to surface.

It happens. No reason to be skeptical.

That's one big over-generalization I'm not willing to grant. There are so many variables, factors and extenuating circumstances as to why an individual wouldn't speak other than they "just don't care." Conversely, how many successful convictions were facilitated by a willing or cooperative witness?

 

[Nightman]

In addition, there have been no other murders.

This was barbaric in how it played out... It was no accidental killing.

Whoever did this certainly has the capability of doing it again.

Yet there haven't been any.

Exactly, the real rapist attacked at least one woman while Steve was in jail the first time

That was the real question of "Making a Murderer"....taking a low level scumbag like Steve Avery and turning him into a sadistic monster while he rotted away in prison...maybe he sticks to low level crimes if he never went to prison the first time but I believe anyone the tortures animals and would pull a gun on and run a family member off the road with a baby in the car was a psychopath destined for more heinous crimes

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Exactly, the real rapist attacked at least one woman while Steve was in jail the first time

That was the real question of "Making a Murderer"....taking a low level scumbag like Steve Avery and turning him into a sadistic monster while he rotted away in prison...maybe he sticks to low level crimes if he never went to prison the first time but I believe anyone the tortures animals and would pull a gun on and run a family member off the road with a baby in the car was a psychopath destined for more heinous crimes

I have several good friends who did stupid stuff with animals when they were younger. None are psychopaths.

And, the lady he ran off the road accused him of sexual misconduct. I can see being pretty pissed off at a liar, esp family.

 

[Nightman]

I have several good friends who did stupid stuff with animals when they were younger. None are psychopaths.

And, the lady he ran off the road accused him of sexual misconduct. I can see being pretty pissed off at a liar, esp family.

you got some messed up friends and a weird sense of family, why would you believe him and not an innocent woman married to a Sheriff?.....torturing animals is not normal behavior

you know he got 6 years in prison for the gun incident and would have spent 6 of those 18 years in jail anyways......he was a multiple felon that couldn't own guns and that was enough to send back to prison in the Teresa Hallbach case

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I gotta real problem with this modern social/entertainment phenomena of sleuthing. The elephant that gets dismissed in the room is the assumption that the information presented is being done so in an objective and even-handed manner.

These programs (podcasts like Serial or shows like Making of a Murderer) are for public consumption....in other words entertainment. Make no doubt about it. The decision on what direction to take the narrative of the show is made way in advance. Nobody is interested in finding out a convicted murder is indeed guilty of murder. Rather, folks want information presented to them to cast doubt, allow them to theorize, be astonished and most importantly, feel as though they are in discovering someone was innocently wronged.

 

[Nightman]

I gotta real problem with this modern social/entertainment phenomena of sleuthing. The elephant that gets dismissed in the room is the assumption that the information presented is being done so in an objective and even-handed manner.

These programs (podcasts like Serial or shows like Making of a Murderer) are for public consumption....in other words entertainment. Make no doubt about it. The decision on what direction to take the narrative of the show is made way in advance. Nobody is interested in finding out a convicted murder is indeed guilty of murder. Rather, folks want information presented to them to cast doubt, allow them to theorize, be astonished and most importantly, feel as though they are in discovering someone was innocently wronged.

People forget that the documentarians were there to tell the story of a man wrongfully imprisoned.....they have been on his 'side' from the start and it why the police and other family members have not shared much...they never presented themselves as unbiased but just happened to be there filming and sharing access to a murder in real time.....it is so rare to have the actual murder, investigation and trial all get captured while it is happening.....it is usually a look back like the first hour and the rape case....Teresa was killed the day before the Avery Bill was passed in Wisconsin

We have become conditioned to expect twists and turns and often discard real evidence in the hopes of having the case explained step by step like CSI.....so many people are willing to believe the killer is Bobby Dassey or Scott the stepfather or even Teresa's brother because they were introduced early on like murder movies do..... all the evidence only points to Steve Avery and Brendan Dassey and they are the ones in jail...

 

[65fastback2plus2]

you got some messed up friends and a weird sense of family, why would you believe him and not an innocent woman married to a Sheriff?.....torturing animals is not normal behavior

you know he got 6 years in prison for the gun incident and would have spent 6 of those 18 years in jail anyways......he was a multiple felon that couldn't own guns and that was enough to send back to prison in the Teresa Hallbach case

Throwing a cat over a fire isnt torturing animals, for one. People do all kinds of stuff with alcohol next to a fire. Theres videos online of people shooting themselves in the shoulder and a whole host of other stupid stuff.

Now you're telling me a low IQ person should be acting like a high IQ person....which is impossible.

I'm a believer in liberty and rights. Dont knowingly lie and try to ruin someone, and you wont get run off the road. Every action has an equal reaction. I fully expect a low IQ individual to seek retaliation when they've been wronged.

In the crime TV shows, the wronged person, like in Criminal Minds, usually goes on a killing spree. If I'm honest here, I'm surprised he didnt kill lenk, colburn, etc. in the middle of the night in their sleep after he got out after the first 18 years.

And I wont even touch the felon cant have guns issue. But, I'll just state, I dont believe that is correct, even though thats what we do.