Conviction Against Brendan Dassey of ‘Making a Murderer’ Is Overturned

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My favorite part is steven had access and knew how to use a car crusher, but instead, parked the car in plain view with a branch thrown on it.

But yet he's smart enough to make blood disappear.

Comical.
 

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No blood from Teresa on any of averys property. period. All the 80 places they claim she was murdered...no blood.

So now you're telling me 2 guys spread enough plastic around and shot someone to collect every single drop of blood....lol. This is comical at this point.

Just go ahead and say it...Steven and Brenden are geniuses who faked their IQ tests to appear stupid.

Nope. You've convinced me. The police killed Teresa Halbach to frame Avery. And then they planted her body in the fire pit of his home (while he wasn't watching, of course) and then they planted her vehicle on his lot while no one was watching. Then they used brain waves to make Dassey feel guilty and confess to his cousin knowing that his cousin would call the police. That makes more sense to me.
 

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The keys were not 100% planted and, if they were, how did Avery's DNA get on them? I guess they planted his DNA on the keys but forgot to do the same in the bedroom and the garage. Again, those are questions that can't be answered by the conspiracy theorists.

In addition, the police run the license plate or request the license plate of a missing person? I don't find that odd. I'd check to see if the tag was recently run by another department or get the exact make and model of the vehicle since that's what you're looking for first prior to seeing the actual license plate. Or am I supposed to believe that police had the vehicle in their possession and ran the license plate to let the world know they had the vehicle in their possession? It makes no sense.

And if the police planted the bullet as well, how did the victim's DNA get on the bullet? Maybe the police killed her to frame Avery? And where did the police get the bullet if Avery's gun was in his bedroom?

They had access to both of their DNA.

DNA is everywhere on everything you interact with. If you're in someone's trailer...rub the key on the floor would probably do it.

Also, they were given something as a sample of teresa's dna for matching purposes...gotta have something to match against. Typically they ask for a hairbrush.

Thats basically a DNA magic wand at that point. Wave it across an old bullet found that was shot years ago and VOILA! its got her dna on it.

I actually dont think police had anything to do with killing her. I think someone else definitely killed her. Brandon and Scott would be my best educated guess.

The police just saw it as a huge opportunity to avenge themselves of a lawsuit they were fixing to lose against Steven.
 

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They had access to both of their DNA.

DNA is everywhere on everything you interact with. If you're in someone's trailer...rub the key on the floor would probably do it.

Also, they were given something as a sample of teresa's dna for matching purposes...gotta have something to match against. Typically they ask for a hairbrush.

Thats basically a DNA magic wand at that point. Wave it across an old bullet found that was shot years ago and VOILA! its got her dna on it.

I actually dont think police had anything to do with killing her. I think someone else definitely killed her. Brandon and Scott would be my best educated guess.

The police just saw it as a huge opportunity to avenge themselves of a lawsuit they were fixing to lose against Steven.

So if they used Teresa's hairbrush to plant her DNA, then why not plant her DNA (ie: hair from the brush) in the garage or especially the bedroom where the evidence would be more damning?

And they also wanted to get Avery so bad that when his niece accused him of rape....wait for it......they didn't charge him. At some point, this stuff is a bunch of baloney.
 

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So if they used Teresa's hairbrush to plant her DNA, then why not plant her DNA (ie: hair from the brush) in the garage or especially the bedroom where the evidence would be more damning?

And they also wanted to get Avery so bad that when his niece accused him of rape....wait for it......they didn't charge him. At some point, this stuff is a bunch of baloney.
Then the DA/LE should be charged with obstruction of justice. Did that happen? Figuring with time served for the intentional frame job by LE/DA, the massive lawsuit they would have to pay (the payout was determined to not come down on the county; instead solely on the cops, Sheriff, and DA and why the timing is so fishy = they'd all go broke) after being found guilty of framing him/destroying evidence to clear him purposefully for the prior rape to the tune of 18yrs in the joint; 7 more years to his sentence is fair even if guilty.

You reap what you sow Wisc LE/DA.
 
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So if they used Teresa's hairbrush to plant her DNA, then why not plant her DNA (ie: hair from the brush) in the garage or especially the bedroom where the evidence would be more damning?

And they also wanted to get Avery so bad that when his niece accused him of rape....wait for it......they didn't charge him. At some point, this stuff is a bunch of baloney.

I may not be remembering the timeline correctly...but some of the evidence planting happened before brenden had given multiple stories he made up.

First brenden said he went to the trailer and steven invited him in to the bedroom for a rape party.

Then brenden changed his story and they killed her in the garage.

Ironically, the only evidence found was....in the bedroom...and then....in the garage. The garage evidence was a LONG time later, after they had brendens other story.
 

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another thing overlooked...the DNA test done on the bullet was against protocol and should have been marked as test failed. It was cross contaminated.
 

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Nope. You've convinced me. The police killed Teresa Halbach to frame Avery. And then they planted her body in the fire pit of his home (while he wasn't watching, of course) and then they planted her vehicle on his lot while no one was watching. Then they used brain waves to make Dassey feel guilty and confess to his cousin knowing that his cousin would call the police. That makes more sense to me.
I re-watched a couple episodes and one thing struck me in Episode 2......after Teresa was missing and they initially talked to Steve, Steve and his parents went to their cabin for a week.....but they showed pictures and video and Brendan also went with them.......why would he go if not to get stories straight ....it just seemed real suspicious to me......maybe Steve just needed to keep him from the cops

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Then the DA/LE should be charged with obstruction of justice. Did that happen? Figuring with time served for the intentional frame job by LE/DA, the massive lawsuit they would have to pay (the payout was determined to not come down on the county; instead solely on the cops, Sheriff, and DA and why the timing is so fishy = they'd all go broke) after being found guilty of framing him/destroying evidence to clear him purposefully for the prior rape to the tune of 18yrs in the joint; 7 more years to his sentence is fair even if guilty.

You reap what you sow Wisc LE/DA.
You are completely wrong about the lawsuit....the County had insurance that would pay and none of the individuals were personally liable....the amount of coordination and planning to frame Steve Avery for Teresa's murder would be impossible....they would have had to started before she was even murdered, before her car was found and before the burnt bones were discovered.....Brendan knew or helped cover it up....the first case had nothing to do with it except making Steve hate women even more and dream up fantasies about torture and revenge that he acted on even though he had millions coming....he is a true pos
 

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You are completely wrong about the lawsuit....the County had insurance that would pay and none of the individuals were personally liable....the amount of coordination and planning to frame Steve Avery for Teresa's murder would be impossible....they would have had to started before she was even murdered, before her car was found and before the burnt bones were discovered.....Brendan knew or helped cover it up....the first case had nothing to do with it except making Steve hate women even more and dream up fantasies about torture and revenge that he acted on even though he had millions coming....he is a true pos
Oh I'm not defending Avery but how can you accuse him of hating women when the rape turned out false? The second life charge (this one not fabricated by LE/the DA) for murder "looked" hard to second guess w/o local LE being let in on the investigation on the property after being instructed not to. If local LE weren't on the property; no reasonable doubt.

Outside of that, it was pretty damning having the bones in the fire pit on his property unless she died from a car crash and LE moved the body (seems very unlikely) but again the DNA could be tainted due to local LE being on the property and the fact they were there for 12 days uninterrupted; Avery's weren't allowed on property. It "feels" like he hid the body for his nephew (man did 18 years for a crime proven he did not commit and probably learned a few things. But his 18 years were fabricated via false testimony/hidden evidence/misconduct by the local LE/DA; they are at fault too) but that's my Mulder impression. Honestly it sounds like Flashback and yourself/other posters know a lot more about the details of this case than I do. More of an outside observation from me. If guilty, give em 7 years.
 
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You are completely wrong about the lawsuit....the County had insurance that would pay and none of the individuals were personally liable....the amount of coordination and planning to frame Steve Avery for Teresa's murder would be impossible....they would have had to started before she was even murdered, before her car was found and before the burnt bones were discovered.....Brendan knew or helped cover it up....the first case had nothing to do with it except making Steve hate women even more and dream up fantasies about torture and revenge that he acted on even though he had millions coming....he is a true pos

The point in which most conspiracies go off the rails is when they necessarily involve a large number of people working in concert together to cover up something.

Life experience tells us there's always one person willing to talk at some point.
 

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The point in which most conspiracies go off the rails is when they necessarily involve a large number of people working in concert together to cover up something.

Life experience tells us there's always one person willing to talk at some point.

Bull hockey. The government covers up HUGEEEEE stuff all the time.

How long was the NSA's junk covered up and hid before Snowden leaked it?

We're talking sometimes decades this stuff is covered up: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...n-chancellery-decades-wikileaks-claims-merkel
 

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how can you accuse him of hating women when the rape turned out false?
When was the rape ever proven false? The body was burnt beyond recognition but leg irons and handcuffs were found in his room.....they were of the sex toy variety but I can bet they felt real to Teresa....he also had several days to cleanup and destroy evidence....we don't know exactly how she died or suffered but we know she was shot, bleeding from the head and burned.....she may have been raped and strangled before being shot in the garage.....Brendan's story is too inconsistent on details but he knew things that put him right in the middle of things....
 

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The point in which most conspiracies go off the rails is when they necessarily involve a large number of people working in concert together to cover up something.

Life experience tells us there's always one person willing to talk at some point.
the only way 3 people can keep a secret is if 2 of them are dead
 

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When was the rape ever proven false? The body was burnt beyond recognition but leg irons and handcuffs were found in his room.....they were of the sex toy variety but I can bet they felt real to Teresa....he also had several days to cleanup and destroy evidence....we don't know exactly how she died or suffered but we know she was shot, bleeding from the head and burned.....she may have been raped and strangled before being shot in the garage.....Brendan's story is too inconsistent on details but he knew things that put him right in the middle of things....
I was talking about the "rape" he did 18 years for but was cleared of that proved massive misconduct by LE, the Sheriff at the time especially, the cop who received a phone call of a confession to their rape 8 (maybe 5 can't remember) years before Avery was initially released and the DA that helped hide these findings; isn't that a crime? They let the real rapist "go about his business" just to spite Avery and to hide their wrongdoings. Was ugly for them.
 
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My favorite part is steven had access and knew how to use a car crusher, but instead, parked the car in plain view with a branch thrown on it.

But yet he's smart enough to make blood disappear.

Comical.

Crushing a car takes a lot of time and it's extremely noisy.

And even before it is crushed the car has to go through a lot of "prep-work".

In addition the car wasn't a junker... Whoever killed her was potentially greedy enough to realize they could get a lot more for it as a running vehicle once the dust had settled.
 

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Crushing a car takes a lot of time and it's extremely noisy.

And even before it is crushed the car has to go through a lot of "prep-work".

In addition the car wasn't a junker... Whoever killed her was potentially greedy enough to realize they could get a lot more for it as a running vehicle once the dust had settled.

Sure its noisy...but it was also common for their place of business. The noise wouldnt have caused any suspicion.

And it might not have been a junker, but without a title, its worth what a junker is worth...esp if you're trying to not go to jail.
 

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Sure its noisy...but it was also common for their place of business. The noise wouldnt have caused any suspicion.

And it might not have been a junker, but without a title, its worth what a junker is worth...esp if you're trying to not go to jail.

But it would still take several hours to do... And I have no idea what or who was involved in operating the car-crushing equipment... This was a family operation. In addition Steve operating the car-crusher (if he ever did) without family members present could have raised some interest amongst family members "Hey, who's crushing a car today– I wasn't made aware of this?"

You used the word "common" in the use of the car-crusher... What does that mean– and do you have any info to support how often it was used? That car-crusher may or may not have been used often, i.e. several times a week. We don't know.

They had huge amount of property it just may have been easier to "hide" the vehicle on the property amongst the other cars.

In addition, Steve Avery isn't in danger of ever appearing on "Jeopardy" and for him to be able to think through all this like a Ted Bundy would seems unlikely.
 

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The point in which most conspiracies go off the rails is when they necessarily involve a large number of people working in concert together to cover up something.

Life experience tells us there's always one person willing to talk at some point.

Exactly right.

Not only did the police depts in this area have to find out what happened to the missing woman (soon to be a murder investigation) they had to organize a quick plan to frame Steve Avery over it?

No way.
 

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Nope. You've convinced me. The police killed Teresa Halbach to frame Avery. And then they planted her body in the fire pit of his home (while he wasn't watching, of course) and then they planted her vehicle on his lot while no one was watching. Then they used brain waves to make Dassey feel guilty and confess to his cousin knowing that his cousin would call the police. That makes more sense to me.
If there were no original LE involved (through the chain) in the lawsuit that was to be conducted on Avery's property during the 12 day search as they were instructed; no reasonable doubt. Fault falls on local LE for breaking the judge's orders in conducting the search warrant; to avoid tainted/planted evidence. The judge protected and even warned against this measure for a reason...after having been proven to have wasted 18 years of a man's life w/suppressed evidence and false witness testimony; local LE had no credibility in this case. The judge told them to stay out of the search...yet there they were finding key evidence in round 2?
 
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