Could Henry trade end up being the McCaffrey trade for Cowboys?

[kskboys]

“Grind other teams into submission.” He can do that? Grind other teams into submission is worth at least two 2nd round draft picks. I mean, if Henry can grind other teams into submission he’s a ticket to a Super Bowl victory. And “less willing to tackle”, because defenders are “beat up”. Maybe the Cowboys should look into all the guys that do tackle him. They should trade fror those guys. How do the Tennessee Titans ever lose? Explain to me how a team with a guy as “PHYSICAL” as Henry is, beating up opposing teams’ defenses and grinding them into submission ever loses a game. Just to clarify my thinking, how does that happen?

Henry is not a grinder. He's a space back. His power is in the open fields where he's impossible to tackle. When they've run him up the middle, he quite often fails as he's slow to the hole.

The teams that stop him simply penetrate the backfield and hit him early. You absolutely must get to him before he gets going. His only real weakness is that he is very slow to get started.

 

[stuckindc]

Could this trade end up being the McCaffrey trade which changes the offense for Dallas?

I have seen the threads about aged running backs and how they have a use before date. Yet McCaffrey energized the 9ers offense. I'm not much for trading for this position. I believe the offensive line is much more important and needs a shot in the arm. There might be a strong possibility Henry gets here and is stifled by defenses because the Dallas line can't open holes. If that is the case then a trade like this is pointless.

But....
Adding a player who gets the tough yards, and goes into a rotation with Pollard might strengthen the running game. Just that fact changes the play action. And that can change a great deal about how defenses face this offense.

Now before anyone says it, I doubt Jethro and his cohort Little Enos will pull the trigger on something like this. I've thought about it and wonder if there is enough logic to make this trade. But as we all know, logic and Jerry broke up long before Jerry broke up with Jimmy.

What say you about this being the lynchpin to change the offense?

SF had a really good Oline and one of the best play callers in the league. Does Dallas have either?

 

[Flamma]

Henry is not a grinder. He's a space back. His power is in the open fields where he's impossible to tackle. When they've run him up the middle, he quite often fails as he's slow to the hole.

The teams that stop him simply penetrate the backfield and hit him early. You absolutely must get to him before he gets going. His only real weakness is that he is very slow to get started.

Could not have said it better myself. My concern is our OL. Henry may never be able to get started.

Maybe not just the OL. But how we telegraph when we're running the ball.

 

[kskboys]

Could not have said it better myself. My concern is our OL. Henry may never be able to get started.

Maybe not just the OL. But how we telegraph when we're running the ball.

Whjle I do not watch him prolifically, I have watched him quite a bit. The only way to get consistent success from him is to hand him the ball very deep in the backfield and hope no one penetrates to stop him from getting up a head of steam.

 

[blueblood70]

Could this trade end up being the McCaffrey trade which changes the offense for Dallas?

I have seen the threads about aged running backs and how they have a use before date. Yet McCaffrey energized the 9ers offense. I'm not much for trading for this position. I believe the offensive line is much more important and needs a shot in the arm. There might be a strong possibility Henry gets here and is stifled by defenses because the Dallas line can't open holes. If that is the case then a trade like this is pointless.

But....
Adding a player who gets the tough yards, and goes into a rotation with Pollard might strengthen the running game. Just that fact changes the play action. And that can change a great deal about how defenses face this offense.

Now before anyone says it, I doubt Jethro and his cohort Little Enos will pull the trigger on something like this. I've thought about it and wonder if there is enough logic to make this trade. But as we all know, logic and Jerry broke up long before Jerry broke up with Jimmy.

What say you about this being the lynchpin to change the offense?

Seriously you wanna make fun of our own ownership absolutely read a bunch of what's going on in social media and the reality is there's absolutely so little interest in any team bringing over Henry because of his age the draft compensation and what he makes against the salary cap that it's called interest in Henry headline it's cold...

So again show me all these big moves by all thirty teams removing the Cowboys and Eagles out of it because you're diminishing the Cowboys only because the Eagles brought a long in the tooth not in his prime couple guys off the Titans defense for a couple late round picks that's not moving the needle for me they had glaring holes back there... They filled the need much like we did when we brought amari Cooper over which is a parallel to them bringing over A.J. Brown and we brought over players last year like Anthony Barr Jason Peters Ty Hilton and Jonathan hankins just to name a few there are others like Xavier Rhodes a couple other moves same thing I don't see how you think that that's any different than what the Eagles are doing sure the Eagles went all in last year brought over a lot of talent and they lost the Super bowl great for them give them a cookie but show me how this is a regular thing for all these other teams before you can put some perspective on the fact that it's not just Jerry or Steven it's actually the league that is how most do business it's very very rare to see a lot of big moves but the trade deadline I mean needle moving changing moves sort of like A.J. Brown and amari Cooper those are rare those are not normal therefore Jerry it's not a clown so you wanna make fun of them you might wanna show me what the rest of the league has done the last couple weeks or go back 10 years and tell me how many big moves were made a month leading up to the trade deadline show me all these moves and then show me the actual results show me how it actually won them a Super Bowl because that's what we're talking about here is is getting one game further or two games further than we have been show me those moves by other teams and we can have a real conversation if not then you need to take a step back and let the pros be pros because you are not anywhere near JJ and SJ business wise..

If our team actually had big holes a huge run of injuries at one position, they would make a move but I agree with them really the adjustments need to be made from the coaching side and the schemes and the play calling and some execution but we're relatively healthy coming out of the bye there was no need to make a drastic move...

So again bring in some actual facts some perspective not hyperbole and emotional responses because how you feel you get your feelings all up in the Jones family when the rest of the league looks like they're doing the same thing as a matter of fact last year the Super bowl winner the Kansas City Chiefs made the least amount of moves outside of their own team than any other team in the league and won the Super bowl...

And bring it into McCaffrey tray sure it was a really nice trade for the Niners but again they didn't make the Super bowl they didn't win the Super bowl so matter of fact they haven't won a Super Bowl one year longer than us they're drought..

 

[blueblood70]

The problem is with the offensive line, not running back

 

[blueblood70]

Could not have said it better myself. My concern is our OL. Henry may never be able to get started.

Maybe not just the OL. But how we telegraph when we're running the ball.

 

[Rayman70]

if we do this trade, we still need to figure out the offensive line issues. Even if we had the great Jim Brown in his prime, we would struggle if we can't fix that as well.

 

[RomoIsGod]

I saw a post on Facebook that the Titans reached out to the Cowboys and asked for Deuce Vaughn and a late round draft pick and the Cowboys laughed in their face. I smell BS. That's a very very doable trade.

 

[phildadon86]

Interesting. I think people are massively overrating the impact Henry would have on this offense, which would be none.

lol none? You get a top 3 back in the NFL and it doesn’t do anything?

Sure lol

 

[phildadon86]

I saw a post on Facebook that the Titans reached out to the Cowboys and asked for Deuce Vaughn and a late round draft pick and the Cowboys laughed in their face. I smell BS. That's a very very doable trade.

Lol stop it

 

[RomoIsGod]

Lol stop it

I really did.

 

[jterrell]

Could this trade end up being the McCaffrey trade which changes the offense for Dallas?

I have seen the threads about aged running backs and how they have a use before date. Yet McCaffrey energized the 9ers offense. I'm not much for trading for this position. I believe the offensive line is much more important and needs a shot in the arm. There might be a strong possibility Henry gets here and is stifled by defenses because the Dallas line can't open holes. If that is the case then a trade like this is pointless.

But....
Adding a player who gets the tough yards, and goes into a rotation with Pollard might strengthen the running game. Just that fact changes the play action. And that can change a great deal about how defenses face this offense.

Now before anyone says it, I doubt Jethro and his cohort Little Enos will pull the trigger on something like this. I've thought about it and wonder if there is enough logic to make this trade. But as we all know, logic and Jerry broke up long before Jerry broke up with Jimmy.

What say you about this being the lynchpin to change the offense?

The short answer is no.

What made CMC work so well thus far for SF has been that he was out injured for large part of 2 seasons prior to the trade.
So he had only about 160 carries in the 2 prior seasons and 80 or so in the season of the trade.
He was playing at 100% health but also fresh.

Henry has had about 750 more carries. He'll hit 1900 carries this year and in a lead role for a deep playoff run likely hits the dreaded 2K for hsi career where the vast majority of backs fall off.

But if you mean pure impact that is possible.
Henry provides us with the size and power we currently lack.
His speed element is waning, but it is not anywhere near as devoid as say Zeke.
From a pure system fit he would be great. Inside runs and quick screens where he can hit top gear quickly.

CMC is a WCO back and really elevated that system as he would us.
Henry gives us a power element we could really use but we'd have to see if he can handle the full WCO back role.

 

[kskboys]

The short answer is no.

What made CMC work so well thus far for SF has been that he was out injured for large part of 2 seasons prior to the trade.
So he had only about 160 carries in the 2 prior seasons and 80 or so in the season of the trade.
He was playing at 100% health but also fresh.

Henry has had about 750 more carries. He'll hit 1900 carries this year and in a lead role for a deep playoff run likely hits the dreaded 2K for hsi career where the vast majority of backs fall off.

But if you mean pure impact that is possible.
Henry provides us with the size and power we currently lack.
His speed element is waning, but it is not anywhere near as devoid as say Zeke.
From a pure system fit he would be great. Inside runs and quick screens where he can hit top gear quickly.

CMC is a WCO back and really elevated that system as he would us.
Henry gives us a power element we could really use but we'd have to see if he can handle the full WCO back role.

Henry isn't an inside runner. Everyone thinks he is due to size and power, but he's mostly an outside back who's impossible to tackle once he gets going. In the few times I've watched him, he's failed at inside running, mostly. He's like a better Marion Barber, who was also not a great inside runner.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

I agree it would be. I think people are underestimating the impact Henry would have on this offense. Redzone, wildcat formations, blocking, and even dump offs, all that coupled with it making Pollard go back to what he is good at and changing the pace.

Lets also not leave out how PHYSICAL Henry is. Something this finesse team is sorely lacking, and that also will rub off on other guys. He will beat up opposing teams defenses as well making them less willing to tackle.

You want an identity? Go get Henry. Grind other teams into submission.

Agree on the finesse part,,, even after supposedly focusing on becoming more physical after being bullied the last few years they still have an oft injured and shadow of his former self LT, an underpowered center "anchoring" the middle of that OL and scat backs in the backfield. I understand there was the intention of pulling these mobile OL and wham blocking people, etc but so far I'm just seeing that OL getting bullied, still.

 

[doomsday9084]

I'm not going to start another Henry thread. I'll ask it here: If you had the option of trading existing players for Henry, would you? Let's say, Schoonmaker, Sam Williams and Deuce Vaughn. On one hand, that looks like a big haul. 2 2nds' and a 6th. OTOH, they have all been disappointing. You end up keeping future picks.

 

[Aftershock]

Henry is on the decline, turning age 30 in a couple months and his legs are shot from getting tackled low throughout his career cause he's so tall

CMC is still in his prime and is an elite rushing and receiving threat still

 

[Rayman70]

I saw a post on Facebook that the Titans reached out to the Cowboys and asked for Deuce Vaughn and a late round draft pick and the Cowboys laughed in their face. I smell BS. That's a very very doable trade.

I luv Deuce, but if true, I am doing that deal.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Seriously you wanna make fun of our own ownership absolutely read a bunch of what's going on in social media and the reality is there's absolutely so little interest in any team bringing over Henry because of his age the draft compensation and what he makes against the salary cap that it's called interest in Henry headline it's cold...

So again show me all these big moves by all thirty teams removing the Cowboys and Eagles out of it because you're diminishing the Cowboys only because the Eagles brought a long in the tooth not in his prime couple guys off the Titans defense for a couple late round picks that's not moving the needle for me they had glaring holes back there... They filled the need much like we did when we brought amari Cooper over which is a parallel to them bringing over A.J. Brown and we brought over players last year like Anthony Barr Jason Peters Ty Hilton and Jonathan hankins just to name a few there are others like Xavier Rhodes a couple other moves same thing I don't see how you think that that's any different than what the Eagles are doing sure the Eagles went all in last year brought over a lot of talent and they lost the Super bowl great for them give them a cookie but show me how this is a regular thing for all these other teams before you can put some perspective on the fact that it's not just Jerry or Steven it's actually the league that is how most do business it's very very rare to see a lot of big moves but the trade deadline I mean needle moving changing moves sort of like A.J. Brown and amari Cooper those are rare those are not normal therefore Jerry it's not a clown so you wanna make fun of them you might wanna show me what the rest of the league has done the last couple weeks or go back 10 years and tell me how many big moves were made a month leading up to the trade deadline show me all these moves and then show me the actual results show me how it actually won them a Super Bowl because that's what we're talking about here is is getting one game further or two games further than we have been show me those moves by other teams and we can have a real conversation if not then you need to take a step back and let the pros be pros because you are not anywhere near JJ and SJ business wise..

If our team actually had big holes a huge run of injuries at one position, they would make a move but I agree with them really the adjustments need to be made from the coaching side and the schemes and the play calling and some execution but we're relatively healthy coming out of the bye there was no need to make a drastic move...

So again bring in some actual facts some perspective not hyperbole and emotional responses because how you feel you get your feelings all up in the Jones family when the rest of the league looks like they're doing the same thing as a matter of fact last year the Super bowl winner the Kansas City Chiefs made the least amount of moves outside of their own team than any other team in the league and won the Super bowl...

And bring it into McCaffrey tray sure it was a really nice trade for the Niners but again they didn't make the Super bowl they didn't win the Super bowl so matter of fact they haven't won a Super Bowl one year longer than us they're drought..

As I said.....if, if, if.

 

[blueblood70]

As I said.....if, if, if.

OK we're living in fantasy football world that's OK I get it I'd rather have deonte foreman from the Falcons I believe he would be a better fit for this team with his age and whatnot and his money owed and probably less compensation I mean go ask for him I agree maybe a little bit more tough guy for the running backs room would be nice but I think if the offensive line just gets fixed yeah I mean the blocking on both pass and run have been terrible I I mean I'm not gonna say you know the worst in football but they are no longer a top five line and they barely maybe make top ten and I know a lot of its injuries and whatnot but our bigger problem is along the line scheming they need to do something to help this line... Because at this point I don't even think Derek Henry can break through the cracks that they're leaving open that some people might wanna mistake as a hole