Could Okie State leapfrog Alabama?

[Rogah]

Honestly, unless just like there is a 2 team cap, per conference for BCS games, there should be a rule preventing 2 teams from the same conference in the National Championship game.

I agree, although I think they should take it one step further: You should have to win your conference to go to the title game.

 

[Biggems]

only if they were able to beat OU...........and OU finished with that one loss, UT lost only to OU and OSU, and A&M lost to only OU, UT, and OSU.....but since A&M flamed out this year, UT lost to KSU and Missouri, and OU got punked at home by TT, then lost again..........so in reality, the answer is NO...

BTW, OSU has themselves to blame.....they let ISU ruin their chance for a BCS Championship game.

 

[Cythim]

only if they were able to beat OU...........and OU finished with that one loss, UT lost only to OU and OSU, and A&M lost to only OU, UT, and OSU.....but since A&M flamed out this year, UT lost to KSU and Missouri, and OU got punked at home by TT, then lost again..........so in reality, the answer is NO...

BTW, OSU has themselves to blame.....they let ISU ruin their chance for a BCS Championship game.

That sums it all up.

As much as I do not want a rematch, no team in the FBS is more deserving to play LSU than Alabama is. OSU lost to 6-5 Iowa State, Stanford lost to 10-2 Oregon, VTech lost to 9-3 Clemson, Houston is Houston and Boise State lost a game. Everyone else has 2 or more losses and are out of the picture.

 

[revospeed]

I think if OSU wins then they should play in the national championship game.

Wins vs. Division 1 teams with a winning record
1. Oklahoma State (7)
2. Boise State (6)
3. Virginia Tech (5)
4. Stanford (4)
5. Alabama and Arkansas (3)

Road wins vs. Division 1 teams with a winning record
1. Oklahoma State (4)
2. Alabama, Boise St., and Virginia Tech (2)
5. Stanford (1)
6. Arkansas (0)

Wins vs. Division 1 teams with at least 7 wins
1. Oklahoma State (4)
2. Boise St. (3)
3. Alabama, Arkansas, and Virginia Tech (2)
6. Stanford (1)

Wins vs. teams in this weeks BCS Top 25
1. Oklahoma State (3)
2. Alabama and Arkansas (2)
4. Boise St. and Virginia Tech (1)
6. Stanford (0)
*Stanford does have a win over USC who would be in the BCS Top 25 if they weren't on probation

Winning % of teams each school beat
1. Oklahoma State (60-48) 55.5%
2. Boise St. (51-44) 53.6%
3. Alabama and Virginia Tech (51-48) 51.5%
5. Arkansas (43-55) 43.8%
6. Stanford (46-65) 41.4%

Wins over teams with a losing record or Non-Division 1
1. Alabama and Arkansas (7)
3. Stanford (6)
4. Virginia Tech (5)
5. Boise St. and Oklahoma State (3)

 

[Cythim]

Losses to teams outside the Top 25:

Oklahoma State - 1

Alabama - 0

Losses to teams outside the Top 10:

Oklahoma State - 1

Alabama - 0

Losses to teams outside the Top 1:

Oklahoma State - 1

Alabama - 0

 

[Keystone_Heavy]

Losses to teams outside the Top 25:

Oklahoma State - 1

Alabama - 0

Losses to teams outside the Top 10:

Oklahoma State - 1

Alabama - 0

Losses to teams outside the Top 1:

Oklahoma State - 1

Alabama - 0

Yes, and the voters know this. And the computers know this. And they are still in the top 5, so it doesn't matter, if it hasn't come back to bite them up to this point, it wont.. And you know as well as I do that what a team does in the present outweighs what they do in the past for voters.

 

[Cythim]

Yes, and the voters know this. And the computers know this. And they are still in the top 5, so it doesn't matter, if it hasn't come back to bite them up to this point, it wont.. And you know as well as I do that what a team does in the present outweighs what they do in the past for voters.

I expect OSU to get every #2 computer vote. The problem with the human vote is that 99% of their voters currently have Alabama as the #2 team while OSU is sitting back at #5. First and foremost every voter needs to move OSU past Stanford and Virginia Tech. After that they need about 30% of voters to bump them past Alabama as well.

You seem to think this will be easy for voters to do, but it is hard to justify moving a 1-loss team who you voted 5th in one week all the way up to 2nd for beating a 2-loss team. If Virginia Tech beats Clemson it will only make it harder on voters to move it.

 

[revospeed]

Losses to teams outside the Top 25:

Oklahoma State - 1

Alabama - 0

Losses to teams outside the Top 10:

Oklahoma State - 1

Alabama - 0

Losses to teams outside the Top 1:

Oklahoma State - 1

Alabama - 0

Alabama already proved that they couldn't beat LSU at home in a puntfest. What makes you think they can beat them in New Orleans? We've seen this game before and it was two teams playing scared, let's bring in a new team.

If OSU can get past OU then I think they deserve a spot in the national championship game, they've had the tougher schedule and are a better match up for LSU.

 

[Cythim]

Alabama already proved that they couldn't beat LSU at home in a puntfest. What makes you think they can beat them in New Orleans? We've seen this game before and it was two teams playing scared, let's bring in a new team.

If OSU can get past OU then I think they deserve a spot in the national championship game, they've had the tougher schedule and are a better match up for LSU.

Alabama lost because their kicker missed two FGs and had a 3rd blocked. It was a very evenly matched game that came down to special teams performance. I would prefer to see OSU make it but they blew their chances by losing to Iowa State. Beating a team that lost to Texas Tech and Baylor should not give them enough of a boost to make the jump.

 

[Rogah]

Losses to teams outside the Top 25:

Oklahoma State - 1

Alabama - 0

Losses to teams outside the Top 10:

Oklahoma State - 1

Alabama - 0

Losses to teams outside the Top 1:

Oklahoma State - 1

Alabama - 0

2011 Football Conference Championships:
Oklahoma State: 1
Alabama: 0

Alabama has the same record as OSU and, given that they didn't play each other this year, the top tie breaker should be overall strength of schedule. It shouldn't focus exclusively on who they lost to. And fact of the matter is that overall, OSU's SoS is tougher than Alabama's.

Or, like the NFL, use strength of victory. There's no "strength of the teams you lost to" tiebreaker. And yes, I'm assuming for the sake of argument that OSU beats OU this weekend. Obviously if they lose that game then there's no argument.

 

[Cythim]

2011 Football Conference Championships:
Oklahoma State: 1
Alabama: 0

Alabama has the same record as OSU and, given that they didn't play each other this year, the top tie breaker should be overall strength of schedule. It shouldn't focus exclusively on who they lost to. And fact of the matter is that overall, OSU's SoS is tougher than Alabama's.

Or, like the NFL, use strength of victory. There's no "strength of the teams you lost to" tiebreaker. And yes, I'm assuming for the sake of argument that OSU beats OU this weekend. Obviously if they lose that game then there's no argument.

SoS doesn't matter in college football because it is just as subjective as the polls are. Sagarin has Texas A&M, Texas, Missouri, and Baylor ranked in his top 20. Is beating Oklahoma, Kansas St, and Baylor really more impressive than beating Arkansas, Auburn, and Penn State?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I expect OSU to get every #2 computer vote. The problem with the human vote is that 99% of their voters currently have Alabama as the #2 team while OSU is sitting back at #5. First and foremost every voter needs to move OSU past Stanford and Virginia Tech. After that they need about 30% of voters to bump them past Alabama as well.

For sure. VaTech and Stanford are so overrated IMO.

Is beating Oklahoma, Kansas St, and Baylor really more impressive than beating Arkansas, Auburn, and Penn State?

Hmm, I would say that's an obvious yes...

 

[Cythim]

For sure. VaTech and Stanford are so overrated IMO.

Hmm, I would say that's an obvious yes...

VaTech and Stanford are no more overrated than OSU is. The Big 12 this year looks more like the Big 10 and ACC than the SEC. You can't lose to a team like Iowa State and expect voters to place you in the championship game.

 

[revospeed]

SoS doesn't matter in college football because it is just as subjective as the polls are. Sagarin has Texas A&M, Texas, Missouri, and Baylor ranked in his top 20. Is beating Oklahoma, Kansas St, and Baylor really more impressive than beating Arkansas, Auburn, and Penn State?

If OSU beats OU then they have beaten 6 teams with winning records instead of Alabama's 3. I don't think that's subjective at all.

 

[revospeed]

VaTech and Stanford are no more overrated than OSU is. The Big 12 this year looks more like the Big 10 and ACC than the SEC. You can't lose to a team like Iowa State and expect voters to place you in the championship game.

I believe LSU lost to a similar team in Kentucky in 2007 and the voters placed them in the National Championship game.

 

[Cythim]

If OSU beats OU then they have beaten 6 teams with winning records instead of Alabama's 3. I don't think that's subjective at all.

Boise State has beaten 7 teams with a winning record, does this make their schedule harder? Are 8-4 Toledo or 7-5 Missouri better than 6-6 Florida? It is completely subjective.

 

[Rogah]

SoS doesn't matter in college football because it is just as subjective as the polls are.

That silly; of course it isn't.

Sagarin has Texas A&M, Texas, Missouri, and Baylor ranked in his top 20. Is beating Oklahoma, Kansas St, and Baylor really more impressive than beating Arkansas, Auburn, and Penn State?

Is beating #'s 10, 11 and 17 better than beating #'s 8, 21 and unranked? Uh, I gotta say unequivocally yes.

 

[Cythim]

That silly; of course it isn't.
Is beating #'s 10, 11 and 17 better than beating #'s 8, 21 and unranked? Uh, I gotta say unequivocally yes.

See, you are using the subjective polls to decide which is better. Arkansas, Auburn, and Penn State are collectively better than Oklahoma, Kansas State, and Baylor regardless of where they are ranked in the polls. Strength of schedule depends on rankings to decide how good or bad a team is thus it is just as subjective as the rankings being used.

Again, bottom line is Oklahoma State lost to 6-5 Iowa State. They blew their shot and do not deserve another.

 

[Rogah]

See, you are using the subjective polls to decide which is better. Arkansas, Auburn, and Penn State are collectively better than Oklahoma, Kansas State, and Baylor regardless of where they are ranked in the polls.

Bullcrap. Both the computers and the human polls disagree with you. If you want to apply exclusively objective criteria, then OU, K-State and Baylor are ranked 5, 6 (tie) and 13. Arkansas, PSU and Auburn are ranked 6 (tie), 23 and unranked.

You're making yourself look silly for arguing something that both the human polls and the computer polls disagree with strongly.

Again, bottom line is Oklahoma State lost to 6-5 Iowa State. They blew their shot and do not deserve another.

And OSU beat better teams than Alabama did - at least according to every poll except your own personal one they did.

In other sports, there's no such tiebreaker "strength of teams you lost to" but we do see "strength of victory" quite frequently. The only one hung up on that single loss here is you. The rest of us know that the teams they beat are more important than the team they lost to.

 

[joseephuss]

In other sports, there's no such tiebreaker "strength of teams you lost to" but we do see "strength of victory" quite frequently. The only one hung up on that single loss here is you. The rest of us know that the teams they beat are more important than the team they lost to.

Apparently the people who vote in the polls disagree at this point or else OSU would be ranked higher.

I understand the argument as to why OSU has a chance to make it into the BCS championship game. I just don't think it will happen. That is because I don't foresee the voters in the coaches poll and the Harris poll significantly changing their position on where they rank OSU. Forget about Alabama, they have Stanford and VaTech ranked ahead of them. That says a lot about the voters in those polls.

Someone making a logical point about OSU or any team being ranked higher or lower forgets that these polls are often very illogical. Why count on them to do the so called right thing? It will be LSU/Alabama.