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It's something we will watch in camp.
What are we going to watch?
It's something we will watch in camp.
I was going to make a thread about Wilson, asking some folks who saw him at A&M.It's all going to be about trust. We saw last season, Donovan Wilson have a great camp, but only played minimal snaps, even with Jeff Heath in and out of the lineup. Thompson wasn't as good as Wilson, but the coaches trusted him more.
The secondary as a whole needs to be rebuilt. We believe Diggs/Robinson are apart of the future, but nobody else spot is in pen after this season. DB is going to be a priority need in 2021 no matter what as they have future holes at both CB and Safety.
What are we going to watch?
If they having Robinson play some safety.
I was going to make a thread about Wilson, asking some folks who saw him at A&M.
Was he Garretted? Or Marinellied? Lol
He got very little chance it seemed. I suppose the coaches knew what was on the line and didnt want to go with a rookie back there.
Maybe you want to do it, but I definitely am looking for more info on Wilson.
I just dont think they ought to play around with Robinson. Leave him at his best spot, whichever that may be. I'm guessing corner, but its unclear what they want to do at safety, so let's see.
All the talk recently has all been about acquiring Jamal Adams and upgrading the safety position. We could have an intriguing safety prospect already on the roster not name Donovan Wilson, but rather Reggie Robinson:
-He is a former High School Safety
-Came from a zone heavy, defensive scheme at Tulsa
-Considered to have strong ball skills, is tenacious run defender
-Is considered a project at CB needing a lot of development with his technique, footwork
-Needs work in adapting to press coverage
It will be interesting to see if they start him at Safety as that is the quickest way to get him playing meaniful snaps. If they develop him as a CB, he probably won't be able to see the field in any capacity outside of special teams until 2021. Corner is the more important position, so it's quite possible they play the long game.
I hope he lives up to your expectations. It's always cool when the team actually grabs one of our pet cats & we get to see how they end up.CB is obviously the bigger $ position so you leave him there until he fails, but yes, I do think he has a future at S. He was a 3 star S recruit out of HS, Tulsa likely moved him because he was by far their best athlete. I think he could possibly excel as a zone CB, but I thought his technique was pretty bad in man coverage at Tulsa. Obviously that can be coached, he no doubt has the size and athleticism to run with anyone.
Def has the size and tackling ability for S as well. He was 1 of my pet cats going into the draft, will be very interesting to see how he develops.
There was a clear drop-off when Heath couldn't play due to injury. Thompson is just an average, backup safety with zero upside.
The drop off wasn't because Heath was great. The drop-off was because this coaching staff can't seem to coach when guys aren't available.
Thompson is average. Wasn't implying he wasn't. He's not starting for us.
,Good question! You've become one of the best at creating new threads. It's great how you just want to discuss football with no antics.
Robinson is a little bigger than Xavier Woods (6-1, 205 vs 5-11, 197).
Tulsa and Press-Man vs Zone Coverage:
- I saw a draft report that said Tulsa played primarily zone; however, in the games that I watched (all from 2019) the outside CBs played almost all press-man.
- When Robinson covered the slot WR he often played off-man.
- Overall Tulsa played primarily press-man with the outside CBs. They often played zone against TEs and that sometimes included the slot WR.
- Many team play zone with the LBs and other inside coverage players but that's not really a zone scheme when the outside CBs are playing press man.
- I just re-watched the first 3 series from one of their 2019 games and the outside CBs only played zone on 1 snap and that was only the CBs on the side of the field with the slot WR.
- They played 2 man zone against the slot WR and outside WR on that side.
- The 2-man zone has become a common alternate coverage to prevent tactics that offenses employ to cross the slot WR and outside WR on rub routes (pick plays).
Robinson at Safety:
- The new scheme with Quarters coverage (A 2-deep Safety alignment) favors having both Safeties that are closer to being a CB than they are to being a LB.
- Short area quickness and man-coverage ability are more important than for either box SS or signal-high FS.
- Xavier Woods has very good short area quickness and man coverage ability.
- Woods played as the "starting" Nickel CB the final 3rd of his rookie season (After Scandrick went to IR).
- They have many options at Safety.
- HaHa
- Woods
- Donovan Wilson
- Thompson
- Worley (played both Safety and CB last season)
- Awuzie
- My "gut" feeling is that they would like for Robinson to become a starting CB in 2021
- It's possible I just have indigestion...
- Projected 2021 top 3 CBs:
- Diggs
- Brown
- Robinson
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-As you know, I don't watch the tape (probably should, always feel like would be a novice at it), but I do a lot of research around the web to draw my own conclusions. I have a slight photographic memory since I was a kid, this allows me to remember in detail, specifics what I have read about the subject manner.
-What I read about Robinson was that Tulsa ran a zone heavy scheme. Many have projected him to become a year 2 or 3 starter at the CB position, more of a project. The majority of development lies within his technique, poor footwork, tendency to play too handsy when he is beaten, etc. I remember MM state after the draft, they have options at safety, some players on the current roster along with Robinson who can play there if needed.
-A little out of the box thinking I drew my own conclusions: depth at corner, has experience is zone coverage, new scheme in which the safeties are used more like cornerbacks, etc. He does possess the physical traits to play either spot. Quickest way to see on the field experience might be more at safety. Didn't realize that Tulsa played as much man coverage as what you seen on tape.
-Clearly the CB position is more important then at safety. The CB market is highly more expensive. I still believe after this season, adding another db is going to be a high priority come draft time. Early on I get the sense Xavier Woods out of the 4 fa's is the player most likely to get an extension.
-I believe the coaches are going to try to get Robinson's feet wet in the defensive sub-packages this year, along with being a core special teamer. Will he see time on the outside or perhaps some work in the interior of the secondary, that's to be determined.
- Fans/media love to focus on speed, but the ability to flip their hips with minimal delay is a very under-discussed aspect of playing CB.
- We all think of speed when Deion's name is mentioned but it was his lateral agility / body control that set him apart from all ot
I was not a big fan of drafting Henderson. He was obviously the best athlete off all the CBs and might be great, but I could see him being a Claiborne type of underachiever.
It's about maximizes your roster for the current year. Awuzie, Diggs, Worley, Brown, Lewis, Canady are all ahead of him on the depth chart. Leaving Robinson at CB as a rookie would be like a red-shirt season, as he will be a special teams only player. You would think they want to get his feet wet in some capacity.