Could the trade talk for Quinn include

DRella

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DE's normally take longer to develop. Especially ones that are as raw as Taco is. I think the Cowboys would be foolish to rid themselves of Taco this soon.

He has shown flashes of brilliance just not consistent. More reps, and experience will make him a better player. His work ethic has never come into question. Which means if he continues to work he will continue to progress.
 

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DE's normally take longer to develop. Especially ones that are as raw as Taco is. I think the Cowboys would be foolish to rid themselves of Taco this soon.

He has shown flashes of brilliance just not consistent. More reps, and experience will make him a better player. His work ethic has never come into question. Which means if he continues to work he will continue to progress.

That's part of the problem thou right? Part of the reasoning behind drafting Taco was that he was one of the most NFL ready DE prospects coming out that year. At least, that was the book on him, if I recall.
 

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That's part of the problem thou right? Part of the reasoning behind drafting Taco was that he was one of the most NFL ready DE prospects coming out that year. At least, that was the book on him, if I recall.
I don't think so.

As I recall, the consensus was that he was talented, but needed time to develop.
 

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... Taco Charlton?

From a logistics standpoint for Dallas, especially if the Cowboys are trying to work out a multiyear deal with Quinn, it would make sense that he would be a replacement for Charlton. And with the additional signing of Hyder, the depth at the position without Charlton would be plentiful (Quinn, Lawrence, Hyder, Armstrong, Crawford).

It also makes sense financially for Miami, which is wanting to save money. They are set to pay Quinn a total of $12 million this year. The Dolphins could pay Charlton's $2.7 million and some of Quinn's contract and still come out with caps savings.

The question is whether the Dolphins would want Charlton. He would need to play outside linebacker in their 3-4 scheme and it's questionable if he could do that. He also has not shown the pass rush in his first two years that would make teams want to trade for him. However, the Dolphins also don't have much going in the pass rush department. Quinn led them last year with his 6.5 sacks. Charlton still has potential and the Dolphins have a need.

Maybe this only makes sense to me for both teams. We give up a player who still has potential that could be realized for a player who has proven ability. Miami gives up a player with proven ability for a first-rounder with potential and cap savings. If the Dolphins are only going to get a 2020 third- or fourth-rounder instead, why not roll the dice on a player who was just recently taken in the first?

Hmm? That's actually a very good idea! Taco's probably got the value of what they were going to get anyway from us, so a player-player trade like that would be quite smart actually. Well done!
 

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I don't think so.

As I recall, the consensus was that he was talented, but needed time to develop.

Every player needs time to develop. No player is 100% ready to come out and play like a seasoned Vet but I don't recall that with Charlton. I also don't recall the talented part. I recall him being evaluated as a guy with interesting physical tools, length, size etc, but not a really talented player. Hell, he wasn't even a starter at Michigan till his Sr. year I believe. He was not the most talented DE coming out. I don't know, that was almost three years ago now so I could be wrong.
 

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Dallas reached big time on Taco
not really honestly. At the time, the draft pundits said that was right around where he was projected to go..give or take. Plus, we were in no mans land. We were in a fairly weak draft that year for dline guys...and it was late in the round,couldn't find a decent trade back partner,thus, we had to make a pick. It is what it is. Can't hit on 'em all.
 

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Why on earth would you give up on Taco at this point? He's a reasonable run defender. Quinn is a pass rush specialist. Most DEs take a while to develop and we've got him for cheap for another two years.
 

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Why on earth would you give up on Taco at this point? He's a reasonable run defender. Quinn is a pass rush specialist. Most DEs take a while to develop and we've got him for cheap for another two years.
he gets washed out many times against the run. He's hit and miss honestly.
 

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The main thing with me as I see us being a little heavy at end if we acquire Quinn. So even if we don't include Charlton as part of the trade, we could dangle him to see what we might could get. Maybe it just allows us to trade up some in the second round if needed, or maybe we could get an extra fourth to use. (I can't see his production warranting much more than that.)

We could keep him an dangle Armstrong instead, but I'm not quite ready to get back a fourth-round value on a fourth-round investment we just made last year. I'd rather see if he turns into more than that.

Charlton's value is clearly less than his draft status right now. The gamble you take in not trading him now is that he'll continue on the path he's on and have no value.

Of course, we could just do that and see how it turns out. With Crawford and Hyder both having the ability to play inside, that could technically leave us with four ends to rotate (Quinn, Lawrence, Charlton, Armstrong). However, looking at the DL as a whole we already have eight keepers (Lawrence, Charlton, Armstrong, Hyder, Crawford, Woods, Covington, Collins). If we add Quinn, we'd have nine. Any other additions in FA or the draft, put us at or over the limit and someone has to go. This isn't including Daniel Ross, because I don't think he's a keeper. So IMO, we're likely going to have to eliminate at least one from that group of keepers.

If we're serious about Quinn, I'm sure we're looking at all options in a trade. The Fins would be too. It's probably friendly negotiations. There are some ties between the two organizations. If we can do a deal I think this is a very solid FA even without a S. Addressing the D-line was and is a big deal. And replacing Beasley with Cobb is solid. Get 'er done. I would be OK trading either Taco or Armstrong and a 2020 5'th for a proven commodity, at least proven in Miami. Roll into the draft and grab a FS or SS in the draft, I think Woods can play both
 

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If we're serious about Quinn, I'm sure we're looking at all options in a trade. The Fins would be too. It's probably friendly negotiations. There are some ties between the two organizations. If we can do a deal I think this is a very solid FA even without a S. Addressing the D-line was and is a big deal. And replacing Beasley with Cobb is solid. Get 'er done. I would be OK trading either Taco or Armstrong and a 2020 5'th for a proven commodity, at least proven in Miami. Roll into the draft and grab a FS or SS in the draft, I think Woods can play both

I don't think I would move Armstrong. His contract is friendly and he has way more upside as a pass rusher, IMO, then does Taco.
 

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Taco didn't have enough production to warrant a first round pick. I didn't like the pick and believe we should've went another direction once Tak Mckinley went to the Falcons. I don't know how Taco is preparing for this upcoming season but unless he dedicates himself to becoming a better NFL player this off season, I seriously doubt Taco will see a second contract in Dallas and when its all said and done would be consider a big swing n missed on this draft selection.

Make or Break year for Mr. Taco and far as trading 2020 draft picks for Quinn is not only a no but a h3ll no and hope this front office treat those 2020 draft picks like gold because next year draft class is loaded at multiple positions.
 

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Taco didn't have enough production to warrant a first round pick. I didn't like the pick and believe we should've went another direction once Tak Mckinley went to the Falcons. I don't know how Taco is preparing for this upcoming season but unless he dedicates himself to becoming a better NFL player this off season, I seriously doubt Taco will see a second contract in Dallas and when its all said and done would be consider a big swing n missed on this draft selection.

Make or Break year for Mr. Taco and far as trading 2020 draft picks for Quinn is not only a no but a h3ll no and hope this front office treat those 2020 draft picks like gold because next year draft class is loaded at multiple positions.

I cant believe JJ Watt's little brother was just sitting there on the draft board and we turned in the card with Taco's name on it.

Watt was drafted by the Steelers and made the probowl last season and Taco had 1 more sack than I did:facepalm:
 

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I cant believe JJ Watt's little brother was just sitting there on the draft board and we turned in the card with Taco's name on it.

Watt was drafted by the Steelers and made the probowl last season and Taco had 1 more sack than I did:facepalm:

We might be able to make up for that if we can get Zach Allen of Boston College. He's a monster!
 

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I cant believe JJ Watt's little brother was just sitting there on the draft board and we turned in the card with Taco's name on it.

Watt was drafted by the Steelers and made the probowl last season and Taco had 1 more sack than I did:facepalm:

Makes me a little sick to my stomach just thinking about it. Out smarted ourselves on that one. I heard about scheme and fit, but I’ll take a playmaker over a guy who has elite measurements nothing to show for them.
 

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I cant believe JJ Watt's little brother was just sitting there on the draft board and we turned in the card with Taco's name on it.

Watt was drafted by the Steelers and made the probowl last season and Taco had 1 more sack than I did:facepalm:
Alot of us wanted Watt....you dont need to be a pro scout to see Watt was better than Taco
 

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not really honestly. At the time, the draft pundits said that was right around where he was projected to go..give or take. Plus, we were in no mans land. We were in a fairly weak draft that year for dline guys...and it was late in the round,couldn't find a decent trade back partner,thus, we had to make a pick. It is what it is. Can't hit on 'em all.
We could have had TJWatt, Reuban Foster, Budda Baker or Malik MCDowell..... you never know
 
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