Could Vanderjagt be hurt

[Coakleys Dad]

he is garbage

 

[Doomsday101]

You didn't answer the question. It speaks to expectations.

Your talking expectations and I'm talking results and the results are not good. I don't live in the past I don't care about his past I care about our kicker hitting kicks that most decent kickers will make. He had 2 in the 40 something yard range, I can understand a good kicker missing 1 but not both in the same game. Face it they don't give you points for what you did last year or the year before. Vandy has not done the job and if this continues then it would be foolish not to go out and try and find someone to replace him. Lastly to ansewer your question which is meaningless it is C I know what makes a career average I also know the way Vandy is kicking right now would cost most guys their jobs.

 

[AbeBeta]

Your talking expectations and I'm talking results and the results are not good. I don't live in the past I don't care about his past I care about our kicker hitting kicks that most decent kickers will make. He had 2 in the 40 something yard range, I can understand a good kicker missing 1 but not both in the same game. Face it they don't give you points for what you did last year or the year before. Vandy has not done the job and if this continues then it would be foolish not to go out and try and find someone to replace him. Lastly to ansewer your question which is meaningless it is C I know what makes a career average I also know the way Vandy is kicking right now would cost most guys their jobs.

Me, I see one awful game. I don't evaluate players on a single awful game. Especially when they have a history of excellent play.

 

[Stautner]

I think you base moves on the here and now. Vandy looked bad all training camp and came out with the excuse "I don't need to do it now", he looks bad in practice but will say "I don't do good in practice" and now he is not doing it in the games. I think it would be wise to bring guys in and let them try out and if they are showing more than Vandy then you give them a shot. Your right it is not simple replacing a guy but I think you at least bring people in and work them out not just throw up your hands and say well at one time he was the most accurate kicker and do nothing. One last thing he had not hit big kicks in Indy which is why they sent him packing, they needed him to come though last year and he failed that was not the 1st time he failed them.

I haven't said we should just throw up our hands and accept whatever we get with Vandy.

But you also have to keep in mind that working out a guy in practice doesn't mean he would do well in game situations - there just aren't proven guys out there. That's why I'm saying you damn sure need to be careful about dumping a guy with a great history in favor of some young, unproven guy that couldn't even make an NFL team in the past - it could bite you in the butt.

As I've said, if the problems continue I'm all for looking at alternatives. All I'm saying is that it doesn't make sense to go with someone unproven and considered unworthy of a job by every other NFL team until you are convinced there is no other choice.

 

[Seven]

I think he is having a confidence problem right now.

I think he's an over-paid moron. I have the same confidence level in him as I did with Cortez.
As far as these 80% claims....this is the show me state. What was his "percentage" on Sunday? He's making millions and missing chip shots in today's NFL. Some little freak from the skins out kicked him. What is his percentage?

You want to hang on to percentages? Go figure what he's being paid per kick. Then come talk to me.
All I KNOW is we wouldn't of had to sweat out a goal line stand IF vandershank would do his very simple job and split them uprights. There wasn't even any pressure to win the game. He just had to kick. According to him, come game time, it's a cake walk.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Just asking for clarification of how he is "killing us"

Let the poster respond without butting in next time.

Let me go check the forum rules and guidelines where it says I cant respond to a post when its directed at another poster

 

[Doomsday101]

I haven't said we should just throw up our hands and accept whatever we get with Vandy.

But you also have to keep in mind that working out a guy in practice doesn't mean he would do well in game situations - there just aren't proven guys out there. That's why I'm saying you damn sure need to be careful about dumping a guy with a great history in favor of some young, unproven guy that couldn't even make an NFL team in the past - it could bite you in the butt.

As I've said, if the problems continue I'm all for looking at alternatives. All I'm saying is that it doesn't make sense to go with someone unproven and considered unworthy of a job by every other NFL team until you are convinced there is no other choice.

Everyone is unproven until you get a chance. As I said I want to see Vandy get things corrected instead of going out and finding a player but I don't think it is wise to stay with a kicker if the coach has no confidence in him and I think Bill is getting to that point based on his comments.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Everyone is unproven until you get a chance. As I said I want to see Vandy get things corrected instead of going out and finding a player but I don't think it is wise to stay with a kicker if the coach has no confidence in him and I think Bill is getting to that point based on his comments.

Yeah you heard that too huh..... its unfortunate that we are even in this position... We seriously have to think in terms of winning games with TD's and not kicks... the bottom line is HE IS NOT reliable....

With that said... BP seems to be giving him more time to get it corrected.... BP's words "benefit of the doubt"

 

[AbeBeta]

Let me go check the forum rules and guidelines where it says I cant respond to a post when its directed at another poster

And I'll check the guidlines regarding the % of stupid posts folks are allowed -- just so you know how close you are getting to the limit.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

And I'll check the guidlines regarding the % of stupid posts folks are allowed -- just so you know how close you are getting to the limit.

Cleary... based on the responses to your posts... you would be ahead.

 

[Stautner]

Everyone is unproven until you get a chance. As I said I want to see Vandy get things corrected instead of going out and finding a player but I don't think it is wise to stay with a kicker if the coach has no confidence in him and I think Bill is getting to that point based on his comments.

Of course everyone is unproven until they get a chance, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be careful about when to make a move to an umproven player.

Frankly I don't think you and I are as far apart in our opinion on this as you may think. I too prefer to see Vandy get this corrected but realize we can't wait for that indefinitely, and if that's your viewpoint then I have no issue with you at all. My only issue is with those that think we should dump Vandy immendiately and just take whatever we can find as a replacement - those who think that ANY replacement would be better - those that don't look at it rationally.

 

[AbeBeta]

Cleary... based on the responses to your posts... you would be ahead.

OH SNAP.

The "I know you are but what am I?" card!!!!

Welcome to our guest, straight from the 3rd grade, it is YoMick!

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah you heard that too huh..... its unfortunate that we are even in this position... We seriously have to think in terms of winning games with TD's and not kicks... the bottom line is HE IS NOT reliable....

With that said... BP seems to be giving him more time to get it corrected.... BP's words "benefit of the doubt"

I have no problem giving Vandy more time but I don't think it is unlimited. If he goes out Thrusday pushing kicking to the right I would not be suprised to see Dallas bring people in. My hope is Vandy will get it going but I'm not convinced he will. Right now he is having his worst season as a kicker and I clearly do not want to go down in flames this year because of Vandy

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Frankly I don't think you and I are as far apart in our opinion on this as you may think. I too prefer to see Vandy get this corrected but realize we can't wait for that indefinitely, and if that's your viewpoint then I have no issue with you at all. My only issue is with those that think we should dump Vandy immendiately and just take whatever we can find as a replacement - those who think that ANY replacement would be better - those that don't look at it rationally.

If I may...

I myself am not saying to dump him but as you say time IS running out....

There will be a collective "thud" nationwide if this guy misses a kick in the playoffs and cost us the game... that "thud" will be all of us falling to the ground at the same time.....

 

[Seven]

But you also have to keep in mind that working out a guy in practice doesn't mean he would do well in game situations

No kidding? We got a guy who practices like crap to boot. He fully acknowledges this. That's insane.

there just aren't proven guys out there. That's why I'm saying you damn sure need to be careful about dumping a guy with a great history in favor of some young, unproven guy that couldn't even make an NFL team in the past - it could bite you in the butt.

We've been bitten. I'm running out of peroxide.

As I've said, if the problems continue I'm all for looking at alternatives. All I'm saying is that it doesn't make sense to go with someone unproven and considered unworthy of a job by every other NFL team until you are convinced there is no other choice.

32 NFL teams passed up on Romo. He was brought in to replace the ever famous "proven" Bledsoe, whom, I might add, was considered very worthy, myself included.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

OH SNAP.

The "I know you are but what am I?" card!!!!

Welcome to our guest, straight from the 3rd grade, it is YoMick!

LOL

I am 3rd and yet YOU are not even a challenge for me... hmmph!

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I have no problem giving Vandy more time but I don't think it is unlimited. If he goes out Thrusday pushing kicking to the right I would not be suprised to see Dallas bring people in. My hope is Vandy will get it going but I'm not convinced he will. Right now he is having his worst season as a kicker and I clearly do not want to go down in flames this year because of Vandy

Agreed 100%.

 

[Doomsday101]

Of course everyone is unproven until they get a chance, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be careful about when to make a move to an umproven player.

Frankly I don't think you and I are as far apart in our opinion on this as you may think. I too prefer to see Vandy get this corrected but realize we can't wait for that indefinitely, and if that's your viewpoint then I have no issue with you at all. My only issue is with those that think we should dump Vandy immendiately and just take whatever we can find as a replacement - those who think that ANY replacement would be better - those that don't look at it rationally.

I agree I don't think you dump any player unless you have another option to turn to. I just don't think you stay with a guy no matter what. As for a big name kicker well that is not going to happen but if Dallas can bring a kicker in and he impresses the coaches then I think you give him a shot because right now Vandy is not impressing anyone at practice or the games.

 

[jazzcat22]

None but that does not change the fact that he is missing kicks he should be making, sorry I don't think you wait until he does cost you a game to correct the problem. Vandy has to get it going or Dallas has to find someone who can. I know that is easier said than done but if Vandy has a bad outing this coming Thrusday I would not be suprised to see the Cowboys bring in some player and give them a try out given the fact we will have 11 days off before our next game aginst the Giants.

I agree about the 11 days to get another K ready. However. If V has a bad day, but does not cost us the game. Would you really want a new K during the playoff push. And with our history of bad K's. Would you want a new guy...what if he misses COSTING us a loss and playoff spot. When V could have made it due to his past success. Maybe, just maybe he was in little funk, but now over it in a pressure kick situation.
Tough call either way.

 

[AbeBeta]

LOL

I am 3rd and yet YOU are not even a challenge for me... hmmph!

3rd grade at 40 years old. Hang in there dude, you are going to finish high school by the time you are 175!