Counter Point: Sturm is wrong about our drafting

[jazzcat22]

Great,we have awesome first RD selections.even i can look at up CBS rankings and do that,the challenge is to draft well in Rds 2-7 .We are literally the worst team in the NFL in finding starters from those RDs.a roster is 53 men and they cant all be from the first RD.UDFAs dont count because they are a true lottery,even if our scouts liked somebody they may not wish to come here. liked we learned with Rawls last year.even this year we were prepared to waste top draft picks(a 2,a,3 and a 6th rd pick) on a guy who wouldnt play for 2 years.thats not the way to build a good roster,you maximize Depth by making sound choices in Rd 2,3 and 4 ,we have consistently shown that we suck at this department.RDs 5,6, and 7 are utter wasteland and apart from couple of spare TEs we have nothing to show for it during those time periods.the only conclusion is either we suck at drafting from the scouts to FO or our coaches are the worst and they cant develop players. nomatter how yuo see it the only one holding up this roster together is Tony Romo and once he retires we will plummet to the dregs of the league.

Are we really that bad, or do some just want to rag on it.
Can you show some numbers vs other teams to prove this. I am not totally disagreeing about it. But it would be nice to have some numbers from some research. Not just general stuff that everyone believes it. And some good numbers not just a few names. Like NE gets Brady in the 6th and we take Alex Gibson on the 7th...that is not proof.

 

[CWR]

You call ONE playoff appearance in 6 years a perennial playoff team......REALLY..... must be an inside joke..

Im not a sports book and I dont set odds.
We made the playoffs 14-15
And lost the final game to miss the playoffs 3 consecutive years. Ive been there and it has sucked, I've been laughed at by coworkers, Ive pissed off my wife, thrown tantrums and felt genuinely cheated. None the less we were in the running for the playoffs and we will be in the running this year.

I dont know why so many throw such a hissy fit on here. We havent been great and we havent been awful. Theres not enough tissue in the world to dry the tears on this board.

 

[dallasdave]

Simply put, it is far more profitable for local mediots to bash the Cowboys, then be labeled a homer. Sad, but true.

 

[CyberB0b]

You call ONE playoff appearance in 6 years a perennial playoff team......REALLY..... must be an inside joke..

He needs a new dictionary.

 

[jday]

Anybody but Sturm I might agree with you. But he does his homework and is the first to praise the Cowboys when they do something right. If you are denying that than you haven't been reading his stuff.

Second of all the numbers don't lie. Some successful 1st rounders is great. It's the rest of the draft - the actual hard part - where the team flounders. The numbers from the article definitely pass the sniff test since one thing this team always lacks is the quality depth later rounds supply.

Balance is key. In this region, you can't bash all the time; you will lose readers and credibility with a quickness if you can't find anything nice to say. But for the most part you will know the click-bait-pimps by their consistent schtick of second guessing guys that know more about football then Sturm knows about the palm of his hand...his favorite hand...

 

[Galian Beast]

There are a lot of factors that have played into our success and lack of success. It's actually a circular narrative.

Let's start with the fact that we have an elite quarterback, who when he plays an entire season generally takes us to the playoffs or puts us in contention. This results in generally poor draft choices from the get go since it means we pick much later. It's much more difficult to rebound your team when you don't get the selections to improve it.

This year we didn't have Romo and as a result we picked really high in every round.

I think this was a great draft, but it largely depends on Elliott being who I think he is and Smith being able to play again. I also have some hope for Tapper and Collins.

I think we had a great draft and post draft last year with Jones, Gregory, and Collins, but that depends on Gregory shaping up.

I think Claiborne set the franchise back a year and some poor health status the last few years certainly hasn't helped.

 

[coogrfan]

We are a perennial playoff team. Not just my opinion, best odds to win the east according to the sports books.

 

[coogrfan]

Are we really that bad, or do some just want to rag on it.
Can you show some numbers vs other teams to prove this. I am not totally disagreeing about it. But it would be nice to have some numbers from some research. Not just general stuff that everyone believes it. And some good numbers not just a few names. Like NE gets Brady in the 6th and we take Alex Gibson on the 7th...that is not proof.

Someone did, it's the piece the o/p is attempting to refute.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...-view-draft-results-paint-rather-grim-picture

 

[wileedog]

Balance is key. In this region, you can't bash all the time; you will lose readers and credibility with a quickness if you can't find anything nice to say. But for the most part you will know the click-bait-pimps by their consistent schtick of second guessing guys that know more about football then Sturm knows about the palm of his hand...his favorite hand...

I'd take Sturm as GM over this football team over Jerry any day and twice on Sunday. I guarantee you he watches way more film than Jerry does.

 

[jday]

I'd take Sturm as GM over this football team over Jerry any day and twice on Sunday. I guarantee you he watches way more film than Jerry does.

Watching film is one thing; eyes are the only requirement...

Knowing how it fits your scheme and projecting how a prospects skillset will translate to the NFL is quite another. He might do a better job than Jerry as GM, though I actually doubt it, but that's not really what this conversation is about. I got about 3 sentences into that article and realized he truly has a flawed premise if you are going to factor in drafts that happened in the Wade regime. That is a clear blatant misuse of stats to push his agenda. If he takes that type of license to push papers, imagine what he would do to push season ticket revenues. As a GM, you have understand that to put a quality product on the field you have to make the unpopular decision the majority of the time.

As the saying goes: the devil you know is better than the one you don't. I really don't think you know what your asking for.

 

[wileedog]

As the saying goes: the devil you know is better than the one you don't. I really don't think you know what your asking for.

I know Sturm will probably be sober at the time, so I got that going for me...

Seriously, IMO you are denigrating one of the few good sports journalists out there because you don't like his message. That's as disingenuous as any of the click bait writers.

 

[jday]

I know Sturm will probably be sober at the time, so I got that going for me...

Seriously, IMO you are denigrating one of the few good sports journalists out there because you don't like his message. That's as disingenuous as any of the click bait writers.

Nope...simply calling it as I see it. Any agenda-driven-diatribe that calls into question the Cowboys drafting that uses data collected before the current regime is a complete waste of a read and if he were as intelligent as you seem to think, he would know that. Truth is though...he does know that...which is why I hereby christen him a click-bait-pimp.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Well, I believe it is 2011 that ushered in a new era of talent acquisition with both Stephen Jones and Jason Garrett playing a far more significant role.

So let's take a look at the number of Pro Bowlers for each team starting with that draft.

Well, what do you know? There is a three way tie for 1st place with 9 Pro Bowl selection between Carolina, Seattle, and Dallas. Keep in mind, these are only players drafted between 2011 and 2016.

Now let's take a look at All Pro selections. The Cowboys are in 6th place among the 32 teams. That's in the top 20% among NFL teams. Not too shady.

Finally, we look at how many players drafted during that time that started a minimum of 32 games.

Gosh durn, guess what! The Cowboys are tied with two other teams for 2nd place with 8 players. Only the Seahawks have more with 9.

So......what's the problem?

how many from the mid to late rounds?

 

[Nova]

He does undersell our first round selections a bit.

He basically uses one of those complicated wins above replacement type stats as a cutoff for success.

That would be great if that stat didn't have Kareem Jackson and over Travis Frederick and Zack Martin.

But overall his point remains valid. We need more from our late rounders.

 

[jazzcat22]

I'd take Sturm as GM over this football team over Jerry any day and twice on Sunday. I guarantee you he watches way more film than Jerry does.

Sturm is a GB Packer fan...he is a spy, would you want a spy running your business, or personal businesses for your houshold...Jerry doesn't need to watch film, he is GM by title, but he is not the sole person making these decisions.

 

[1972COWBOY]

The only time that we can tell if the 2016 draft is bad, is after our draft picks get on the field and show their talent. Anything can happen in the NFL, its survival of the fittest. The top picks we passed can get injured and the picks we took can suddenly come to light.

We must stay positive and let these players have their day.

 

[John813]

how many from the mid to late rounds?

Take it further, how many of those 2nd to 7th round picks are even starting, even if they aren't pro bowl players?

Pro bowl is nice and all, but it's not the end all of claiming a draft class(es) to being successful.

I rather have a solid draft, where we get 3-4 good(non Pro-bowl) players, rather than one Pro-bowl player and STers.

 

[coogrfan]

Im not a sports book and I dont set odds.
We made the playoffs 14-15
And lost the final game to miss the playoffs 3 consecutive years. Ive been there and it has sucked, I've been laughed at by coworkers, Ive pissed off my wife, thrown tantrums and felt genuinely cheated. None the less we were in the running for the playoffs and we will be in the running this year.

I dont know why so many throw such a hissy fit on here. We havent been great and we havent been awful. Theres not enough tissue in the world to dry the tears on this board.

Umm...I don't know how to tell you this, but we didn't make the playoffs last year.

 

[plasticman]

how many from the mid to late rounds?

14 players drafted by the Cowboys in rounds 4-7 from 2011 to 2015 played in the NFL during the 2015 season.

This includes 4 4th round picks, 4 7th round picks, 4 5th round picks and 2 6th round picks.

Compare that to 11 for the Eagles, 8 for the Giants, and 15 for the Commanders. The number lies somewhere in the middle of the pack.

Of course, this doesnt account for the undrafted free agents that have made a profound impact including a Pro Bowl kicker.

 

[CWR]

Umm...I don't know how to tell you this, but we didn't make the playoffs last year.

I apologize not only did I mix up my years but as a complete nimrod I thought perennial meant potential. So to the poster that said I need a new dictionary you are correct.

I meant we are a potential playoff team nearly every year. The only year of recent we didnt have expectations was our 12-4 season lol. I do think we should be better but as we saw last year with out Romo (and dez) we were awful. I think with an adequate back up and a coaching staff that will make smart adjustments we are still a fringe play off team.