Cowboys 16th ranked WR corps

[DFWJC]

man, I forgot about Stevie Johnson. I change my answer to SF being 2nd best, if not the best.

Hard to find a weakness on that team.

 

[Nova]

Hard to find a weakness on that team.

Such a well run organization.

But they still employ humans and I think the weakness will be frustration.

It's not often you see a team come so close three years in a row and then succeed shortly after. That goes for any sport.

Players age. Impatience and frustration builds... players stop believing in the message. etc.

 

[thunderpimp91]

It's not fair when you see who they ranked ahead of them. Philly? They have a guy in Maclin who hasn't played in over 12 months and coming off a major injury and Cooper, who had a breakout year but isn't exactly a #1 WR in this league and two TEs who are not better than Witten.

So yeah........ these rankings are laughable.

Eh all rankings like this are laughable. Personally I would take our receivers over Phillys, but the argument certainly can be made the other way around. Cooper had a big year, they landed what should be a very solid player in Matthews, and Maclin is a question mark, but if the writer is big on him then its not out of the question to put Philly in front of dallas. Plus if you are going to include TEs I think its only fair to include RBs as well which Philly has some very good receiving RBs.

I didn't really go through the slide show past the Cowboys, as I really don't care what the rankings are, but until we actually see results from unproven players I have no issues with us being ranked right in the middle of the league.

 

[Cebrin]

Defense/ST probably spotted us like 70 points last year.

Edit: by my count, going through every scoring drive, Dallas had 91 points that were either scored by the defense or the drive went <10 yards.

Scoring offense doesn't include defensive scores I thought? I may be incorrect. However, short drives I'll give credit to. I'm sure other teams didn't throw the full length of the field either. Especially given we had the worst defense of the bunch.

 

[Future]

Scoring offense doesn't include defensive scores I thought? I may be incorrect. However, short drives I'll give credit to. I'm sure other teams didn't throw the full length of the field either. Especially given we had the worst defense of the bunch.

That could be, I just read it as 4th in scoring.

 

[Idgit]

Scoring offense doesn't include defensive scores I thought? I may be incorrect. However, short drives I'll give credit to. I'm sure other teams didn't throw the full length of the field either. Especially given we had the worst defense of the bunch.

We've had several other threads where the points/offensive series data is trotted out, and the team is still in the top 5. The same goes for the adjustments where the team takes possession in scoring position. They're some really interesting threads, actually.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Here are the questions I have.

Dez has at times disappeared in the second half of games. That has been established.

Now who is responsible?

Dez?

The coaching staff?

Romo?

The defense?

The lack of a real threat across from Dez?

All of the above?

So, if there is some combination of the above being at fault with Dez not being a monster throughout the game, or some games entirely - think of the Lions game - then does the spot where Dallas is placed on this list now seem more reasonable?

It has been my contention that Dallas hasn't shown a consistent receiver across from Dez that makes the defense respect him. Thus Dez is on an island. My belief is Witten is not what he once was and is beginning to show signs of not getting enough separation. This would be a guy who would command respect, but since he is on the decline - however slight - Dallas just doesn't have anyone that creates a respect factor to not concentrate solely on Dez.

I understand TWill had a great rookie campaign. And I am hoping it opens up for him this season and he shines. But when discussing this team and their place under the sun as far as rankings go, one has to step back and look at the reality of what is and what isn't.

My belief there is a bit of each one of those being factored in. Not so much Dez, some of Romo looking away from him, the coaching staff not pressing the issue, the defenses thinking take away Dez and you take away a major piece, and lastly, but perhaps the most is the lack of a real threat across from Dez.

But here's the good news. If the offensive line does its job, which opens holes for Murray, that in and of itself makes a huge difference. Now factor in Dez running at times in the slot or in motion and this could be a completely different season. These rankings are based off last year and not what this year might bring.

And we all have hope fopr TWill becoming a major piece, along with the cast of thousands running the slot or outside being more of a factor this season.

But in the end this is what I think of all rankings.

What difference does it make, if a random website not made up of players and coaches lists out what they think are the rankings for teams, or a couple of guys get together and form a fantasy football league and rank them while drinking beer in their barco-loungers, what difference does it make?

 

[Fletch]

Let's not forget about Williams, either. Quietly had a better rookie year than Dez.

Teams (IMO) with a clear-cut better receiving group:
- Chicago
- San Francisco
- Detroit Lions
- Atlanta
- Denver
- Green Bay
- Indianapolis

Indy? They have T.Y. Hilton, and just got back an older Reggie Wayne. I will disagree whole-heartedly about Indy having the better WR group.

 

[Nova]

Here are the questions I have.

Dez has at times disappeared in the second half of games. That has been established.

tl;dr!

(Just kidding. I read and agree with a lot of your points)

Dez doesn't really disappear in the 2nd half. That's kind of a remnant Dez detractors like to throw out because of his disappearing acts in 2011. More specifically, what happened to him in the Lions and Jets games.

In 2012 he had 223 yds and 8 TDs more in the second half of games.

In 2013 it was more balanced, but Dez still had 130 more yards in the 2nd half, albeit 3 less TDs.

 

[Nova]

Indy? They have T.Y. Hilton, and just got back an older Reggie Wayne. I will disagree whole-heartedly about Indy having the better WR group.

+Hakeem Nicks.

Also Coby Fleener is an above average receiving TE.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

yeh, who cares what they say.
The talent we have, I am very happy with... and seeing street at pitt gives me more confidence that he will be a player..

 

[Bullflop]

That #16 ranking stands an excellent chance of rising considerably in 2014. We have an ample number of young receivers who are merely scratching the surface as compared to what they'll be given the green light to accomplish when the season gets underway. Brandon Williams, Cole Beasley, Dez, Devin Street and Gavin Escobar will all be afforded golden opportunities to increase that rating in the upcoming season. Advancing their development is nothing short of a predetermined happening. Whether or not they're ultimately outperformed by the receivers of other teams is yet to be determined.

 

[DFWJC]

Indy? They have T.Y. Hilton, and just got back an older Reggie Wayne. I will disagree whole-heartedly about Indy having the better WR group.

Hakeem Nicks is pretty good.
They also have two good TEs and they drafted Donte Moncrief.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

That #16 ranking stands an excellent chance of rising considerably in 2014. We have an ample number of young receivers who are merely scratching the surface as compared to what they'll be given the green light to accomplish when the season gets underway. Brandon Williams, Cole Beasley, Dez, Devin Street and Gavin Escobar will all be afforded golden opportunities to increase that rating in the upcoming season. Advancing their development is nothing short of a predetermined happening. Whether or not they're ultimately outperformed by the receivers of other teams is yet to be determined.

T Will.....not BWill........
and yes, I agree with your post.

 

[Wayne02]

Are there people on here that are really arguing that the Cowboys have a better group of receivers than the Niners? I hope I just read that wrong.

 

[Bullflop]

Are there people on here that are really arguing that the Cowboys have a better group of receivers than the Niners? I hope I just read that wrong.

Don't knock it -- if you get drunk enough, you might think so too! Bada bing, bada boom . . . just kidding, sorta.

 

[Fletch]

Don't knock it -- if you get drunk enough, you might think so too! Bada bing, bada boom . . . just kidding, sorta.

Crabtree (other than being hurt every other year and a headcase) Boldin (Super Bowl champ--how old is he?) Manningham ( See Crabtree) Vernon Davis ( top 3 TE... So is Jason Witten) . Hmmm. It all starts up front. We're changing for the better up front. Possibly a revival of a running game to boot. We are not that far off from the vaunted 49ers WR corp.

 

[Cebrin]

We've had several other threads where the points/offensive series data is trotted out, and the team is still in the top 5. The same goes for the adjustments where the team takes possession in scoring position. They're some really interesting threads, actually.

I bet! I love the small details.

 

[Nova]

Crabtree (other than being hurt every other year and a headcase) Boldin (Super Bowl champ--how old is he?) Manningham ( See Crabtree) Vernon Davis ( top 3 TE... So is Jason Witten) . Hmmm. It all starts up front. We're changing for the better up front. Possibly a revival of a running game to boot. We are not that far off from the vaunted 49ers WR corp.

Manningham is a giant again. Stevie Johnson is a niner now, and is Richard Sherman kryptonite. I'd say VD is a better receiving TE than Witten.

3 high quality, proven but not spectacular receivers and an Elite TE. That's a bit more than I'm willing to give Dallas credit for. But like you I'm optimistic and I think we could better by the end of the year.

 

[Dday22t]

eh... a lot of those are close/interchangeable, but there aren't many teams I'd trade our WRs/TE for theirs.