Cowboys 2nd round picks

[waldoputty]

4 years delayed is 4 years delayed. I'm not talking about the contract.

with more than 10 years of stats, ~50% or so of 2nd round lb's do not even become multiyear starters.
a 12-sack lb is much more than a starter lb.
a 12-sack lb for 3 more years would be a huge win for a 2nd round pick.

 

[waldoputty]

Math not your strong suit?

 

[CPanther95]

Math not your strong suit?

I thought he was a 2015 pick. That would make this his 4th season.

 

[waldoputty]

Don't forget about Awuzie, who could be this team's best cornerback.

I think Jaylon makes a huge step in his development and recovery. I think he'll be a force this year.

I see no reason why Lawrence can't put up even better numbers. If he's not held this year, he could very well eclipse last year.

And I think Gregory is the best RDE option this team has for 2018.

Potential for these guys is through the roof!

let's see

big wins:
lee lb
dlaw de

possible big wins:
gregory de
jaylon lb
awuzie cb
williams ol

so-so: carter, lb - but he was multiyear starter

bad one: escobar

 

[big dog cowboy]

If he gets 12 sacks this year, how many teams (with hindsight) do you think would spend their 2nd round draft pick on him?

Knowing he is under contract for 2 years after this one, I'd say a lot of teams.

Players who can get 12 sacks a year are rare.

 

[xwalker]

Gregory can't make Jerry look good at this point. Even if he begins to produce this season, he's a busted pick.

He has not been paid or accured time towards free agency while suspended.

 

[xwalker]

Even if he stays 100% clean from here on out, no team is going to spend a 2nd pick on a player that won't contribute for 4 years.

That's why they basically value a draft pick for the following year at almost an entire round less than the current year.

If Payton Manning had said he was going to join the Army for 4 years after college, I think all 32 teams would have considered using a 2nd round pick on him.

 

[Risen Star]

I prefer what they've done the last two years in the 2nd round. No gambles. Don't get cute. Just take good football players.

BTW, Jaylon Smith will not play a down in the NFL at 100%. You're getting sucked in by offseason fluff articles. His leg is permanently damaged. He'll never move the same.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Our best two second round picks may have been the last two- Chidobe Awuzie and Connor Williams; both likely starters.

The Cowboys are probably hoping against hope Gregory turns into a star and Taco Charlton breaks out, because they probably aren't tagging DeMarcus Lawrence again in 2019 and they will want to keep their cap space to secure Dak and Zeke when the time comes.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I prefer what they've done the last two years in the 2nd round. No gambles. Don't get cute. Just take good football players.

BTW, Jaylon Smith will not play a down in the NFL at 100%. You're getting sucked in by offseason fluff articles. His leg is permanently damaged. He'll never move the same.

I may also be drinking the Jaylon Smith hype kool aid here, but I also remember reading where he went through a workout a couple months ago and performed better than every linebacker in the 2018 draft did at the combine.

Smith's leg may be permanently damaged, yes, but he was such an otherworldly athlete to begin with he still may end up being better than over half the other starting 'backers in this league.

At least, I hope....

 

[speedkilz88]

7) Expectations for Jaylon Smith in Year 2?


Mickey Spagnola: My expectations is for him to improve greatly. That might sound weird to say of a player who in his first season actually playing in the NFL after not playing any football from Jan. 1, 2016, to Sept. 10, 2017, and doing so with a foot brace to combat the drop foot he was experiencing because of damage he suffered to his peroneal nerve, but this guy finished second on the Cowboys in 2017 with 99 tackles while playing just 54.1 percent of the defensive snaps – fifth most among the front seven guys. The nerve continues to regenerate. The knee is stronger after going through major surgery to repair his torn ACL, among other things. He is moving quicker, faster, taking fewer of those baby steps to get going. Change of direction is crisp. Now the true test of what’s to come will be in Oxnard, when the pads some on.

 

[HungryLion]

I don’t recall DeMarcus Lawrence being a “gamble” pick. He was a pretty highly rated player coming out of college. He was drafted right about where he belonged and I don’t remember there being injury or off the field concerns.

The injuries just happened to strike after he was drafted. Which no team can predict.

 

[waldoputty]

I prefer what they've done the last two years in the 2nd round. No gambles. Don't get cute. Just take good football players.

BTW, Jaylon Smith will not play a down in the NFL at 100%. You're getting sucked in by offseason fluff articles. His leg is permanently damaged. He'll never move the same.

yea, jaylon and wentz will watch from the sidelines together!

 

[waldoputty]

I don’t recall DeMarcus Lawrence being a “gamble” pick. He was a pretty highly rated player coming out of college. He was drafted right about where he belonged and I don’t remember there being injury or off the field concerns.

The injuries just happened to strike after he was drafted. Which no team can predict.

that was not a gamble but a trade-up
the gambles were jaylon, lee, gregory and carter

 

[waldoputty]

Our best two second round picks may have been the last two- Chidobe Awuzie and Connor Williams; both likely starters.

The Cowboys are probably hoping against hope Gregory turns into a star and Taco Charlton breaks out, because they probably aren't tagging DeMarcus Lawrence again in 2019 and they will want to keep their cap space to secure Dak and Zeke when the time comes.

want to see williams in pads first

 

[Stash]

let's see

big wins:
lee lb
dlaw de

possible big wins:
gregory de
jaylon lb
awuzie cb
williams ol

so-so: carter, lb - but he was multiyear starter

bad one: escobar

Dare we dream?

 

[waldoputty]

Dare we dream?

i am already slobbering

 

[conner01]

Gregory can't make Jerry look good at this point. Even if he begins to produce this season, he's a busted pick.

Way to early to tell
He still has plenty of time under contract to make up for the time lost

 

[conner01]

I thought he was a 2015 pick. That would make this his 4th season.

Time suspended doesn’t count as accrued seasons
He was drafted way back then but he is basically a second year player in terms of contract I believe

 

[conner01]

want to see williams in pads first

I don’t expect Connor to be an instant star as some do and I loved the pick
But he needs a full off season to get bigger and stronger
I think he will be ok but his best football won’t be this year