Cowboys add kicker Connor Hughes

[twentytwo]

The plan should be to give Folk every chance to win his job back.

I'd like to see an open competition. No guarantees for anyone.

 

[Gzus]

I'd like to see an open competition. No guarantees for anyone.

Either way it works out, Buehler is gonna have a job. The guy is our KOS, if he turns out to be our full time kicker then great.

We should also consider the big names out there on the FA kicking market:
Neil Rackers (iffy, looks like he's starting to get the yips)
Stephen Gostkowski (He's ok, but kinda mediocre nothing great)
Shayne Graham (He's not bad, but those missed FGs against the Jets kinda stick in your mind)
Jay Feely (like Graham, playoff miss is the last memory we have of him)
Garrett Hartley (apparently the guy was clutch against the Vikings, if he don't choke against the Colts I wouldn't mind us making a run at him)
Sebastian Janikowski (Raiders probably will try to retain him, can Jerry outbid crazy Al Davis?, probably one of the best kickers after Vinatieri)
Olindo Mare (Last time I checked this was the guy who got chewed out by former HC Jim Mora Jr. not a good taste)
Jeff Reed (he's ok)
Shaun Suisham (Yeah... no...)

So you got some big name kickers out there. I'd love for the Boys to take a swing at Hartley or Janikowski if they don't think Buehler can handle all the duties.

 

[trueblue1687]

Disagree with all of that. He can turn it around, and I hope it's in Dallas.

And Vjag and Folk and way different cases, can't really compare the two.

Well, if you actually read the post, I never said he couldn't turn it around. I simply said he couldn't play again in Dallas. Confidence would be/is lacking on his part and the teams...that's pretty obvious and irrefutable in my opinion. I think it showed with the staff too, otherwise he would still be here. You are right about Vanderjagt though. He was only the most accurate (as far as making FGs) kicker in NFL history. Folks played 2 years ....big difference. Folks was good for his first year, no doubt. It remains to be seen what he can do from here out. For whatever reason, the wheels fell off for him in year TWO!!! According to him, it was his injury rehab either so who's to say.

 

[trueblue1687]

It could very easily be a physical issue with Folk's hip. For all we know that is indeed the issue and if so, what good would bringing him back to compete do? I agree he is probably not the same as Vanderjagt who simply lost his nerve and never got it back, even in Canada.

The best case scenario is to see if Buehler wins the job outright. Let him fend off competition.

Well, according to the source who knows best (Folk), his hip was fine. That's been well documented. Phillips had said ad nauseum that Folk had said repeatedly his hip was fine. I think they were trying to give him an out (IR) perhaps. Maybe he was telling the truth, maybe the scenario should end up on Jesse Ventura's show, or matbe Folk was just a simpleton and couldn't understand the IR angle. I think you may say the same thing about Folk losing his nerve after 10 or 11 misses. Keeping him on the team did more to hurt him than to help...his confidence is probably residing next door to VJ's now. I don't think VJ played football in any capacity after leaving the NFL did he?

 

[trueblue1687]

There isn't anything in that post I agree with at all. Folk was hurt. Did everyone suddenly forget that? There isn't anything similiar between Folk and Vanderjagt situations either.

Unless you're his wife or Mom and have privy info, I think Folk said many times that his injury was healed and the hip was no issue. He blamed his holder a few times if you're talking about his ego being injured maybe?? He said it privately to Wade, who answered the same conjecture from the mediots. You're reaching on an assumption that has already been dispelled....SEVERAL times. There is EVERYTHING similar about the two kickers as well....they both were fired for missing FGs...PERIOD. VJ actually had more than ONE year of being a good kicker. Oh yeah, and as far as I know...he still holds an NFL record??? Come back and disagree when someone actually signs him and he sets a record besides most misses in a season before being cut

 

[Alexander]

Well, according to the source who knows best (Folk), his hip was fine. That's been well documented. Phillips had said ad nauseum that Folk had said repeatedly his hip was fine. I think they were trying to give him an out (IR) perhaps. Maybe he was telling the truth, maybe the scenario should end up on Jesse Ventura's show, or matbe Folk was just a simpleton and couldn't understand the IR angle. I think you may say the same thing about Folk losing his nerve after 10 or 11 misses. Keeping him on the team did more to hurt him than to help...his confidence is probably residing next door to VJ's now. I don't think VJ played football in any capacity after leaving the NFL did he?

Folk also might not even have realized even though his hip "felt fine" but there could have been a slight hitch even he could not notice or possibly did not want to notice.

There is just too much strange about the whole situation. The surgery was out of the blue and he started looking off from the first kick in the preseason. He made similar remarks about his confidence being fine all along as well IIRC. Perhaps it was just difficult to admit, who knows.

Something was wrong, even to the point he might not have been able to identify what it was. It was apparent that neither he nor the coaches could figure it out.

 

[Woods]

Either way it works out, Buehler is gonna have a job. The guy is our KOS, if he turns out to be our full time kicker then great.

We should also consider the big names out there on the FA kicking market:
Neil Rackers (iffy, looks like he's starting to get the yips)
Stephen Gostkowski (He's ok, but kinda mediocre nothing great)
Shayne Graham (He's not bad, but those missed FGs against the Jets kinda stick in your mind)
Jay Feely (like Graham, playoff miss is the last memory we have of him)
Garrett Hartley (apparently the guy was clutch against the Vikings, if he don't choke against the Colts I wouldn't mind us making a run at him)
Sebastian Janikowski (Raiders probably will try to retain him, can Jerry outbid crazy Al Davis?, probably one of the best kickers after Vinatieri)
Olindo Mare (Last time I checked this was the guy who got chewed out by former HC Jim Mora Jr. not a good taste)
Jeff Reed (he's ok)
Shaun Suisham (Yeah... no...)

So you got some big name kickers out there. I'd love for the Boys to take a swing at Hartley or Janikowski if they don't think Buehler can handle all the duties.

Also, when A Venitiri (sp?) returns for the Colts, I think their current kicker would be available. I can't recall his name right now.

But I'd definitely have interest in Janikowski and Hartley, as you suggested.

I hope we go the FA route for a kicker in any case. I don't want to spend another draft pick this year on a kicker as we only have 6 picks.

 

[The Realist]

There isn't anything in that post I agree with at all. Folk was hurt. Did everyone suddenly forget that? There isn't anything similiar between Folk and Vanderjagt situations either.

Folk was injured.

Mentally.

Per Mickey, Folk hated it when we added a 2nd kicker and it shattered his confidence.

If he was hurt we would have put him on IR.

If we wanted him back we wouldn't be signing all these castoffs.

 

[trueblue1687]

Folk also might not even have realized even though his hip "felt fine" but there could have been a slight hitch even he could not notice or possibly did not want to notice.

There is just too much strange about the whole situation. The surgery was out of the blue and he started looking off from the first kick in the preseason. He made similar remarks about his confidence being fine all along as well IIRC. Perhaps it was just difficult to admit, who knows.

Something was wrong, even to the point he might not have been able to identify what it was. It was apparent that neither he nor the coaches could figure it out.

I don't buy him not knowing if he is ok or not. I think he initially blamed McBriar for poor holds. The staff gave him the benefit of changing holders...and rightly so. If it was a holding quirk he had....altho all of the holds looked fine...change it and see if he improves. The thing is he made a few along that crappy stretch too. I think it's anybody's guess as to what the problem was. I know this tho, he has dug himself a very deep hole and will likely have a hard time drawing looks from teams unless they are desperate late season. I couldn't imagine picking up a guy who has that many misses early on. I've been surprised before tho. I looked to try aand find the most misses in a season with no luck. I did find some blurb that suggested the Colts had a guy who missed 14 or 15 in a season and wasn't cut because he was the back up QB, but no official stat. Folk can't be far off the record if he doesn't own it.

 

[visionary]

pff

I want a real competition between him and Buehler

not the feaux competition from last year

you should know better than that
no one can compete with beuhler
romo is lucky beuhler does not want to be QB

 

[cowboyjoe]

I posted this about a week and half ago, about the cowboys signing connor hughes from a source that I found.

 

[Dodger]

What? No rueage over Mason Crosby?

What a surprise...

 

[Doomsday101]

What? No rueage over Mason Crosby?

What a surprise...

Not a good year for kickers was it. :laugh2:

 

[Venger]

Hughes set Virginia records in points (332), field goals made (66), attempted (79), extra points made (134) and extra points attempted (138). His 83.5 percent accuracy rate on field goals was second in school history.

When we signed Suisham *this* was the kind of guy I was hoping we'd bring in (which we did, we just didn't keep...???). With so many Division I schools, there are just BOUND to be free guys with a decent leg around. They don't work you to death at Home Depot, spend lunch in the parking lot kicking a ball into a overturned shopping cart... eventually, a team will call. Hell, if you are kicking in semi-pro ball, that ought to be the farm system for NFL kicking...

 

[RealCowboyfan]

The plan should be to give Folk every chance to win his job back.

I agree 100%

 

[goons]

I think if they wanted to keep Folk or bring him back, they would have IR'd him or something. Cutting him like that meant ending his contract, eating the signing bonus he got, etc.

The team was unusually tight-lipped about it. Jerry was asked about putting him on IR in the presser and he just said "no". Jerry drones on about most stuff but this was just "no". Then he did go on to say he expected Folk to find a team next year and be back in the league kicking.

Sometimes there's more to what's not said than to what is said. Folk won't be back with the Cowboys.