Cowboys best in NFL at drafting

[Toruk_Makto]

If this is true, it's a telling indictment against the coaching of Jason Garrett (we know about all the other coaches).

We need to continue drafting well because we're going to need a superior talented team across the board to overcome our big-game coaching deficiencies.

Why is Jason Garrett at fault for a track record that begins in 2000?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

This same type of article has been posted before this specific one and IIRC the other one was from a national publication and not a cowboys specific fan site.

I know people hate to see it or hate to believe it...but there is validity to the main gist of the article.

How does that dispute the criticism? Faulty analysis is faulty analysis, whether it's done on a local or national level.

The title of the article is based on faulty analysis that was drawn from data that doesn't even speak to his conclusion.

He may as well have provided a data table showing 9 out of 10 people like oranges and then titled his conclusion "Asparagus is the best meat."

If you're going to use Pro Bowls/All Pro selections as a criteria to determine who's the best at drafting over a period of time, what's more relevant?:

Drafting one player that made 10 Pro Bowl appearances OR drafting 8-9 players that each made a couple of Pro Bowl appearances?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

How does that dispute the criticism? Faulty analysis is faulty analysis, whether it's done on a local or national level.

The title of the article is based on his ill-fitting conclusion that was drawn from data the doesn't speak to his conclusion.

He may as well have provided a data table showing 9 out of 10 people like oranges and then tilted his conclusion "Asparagus is the best meat."

If you're going to use Pro Bowls/All Pro selections as a criteria to determine who's the best at drafting over a period of time, what' more relevant?:

Drafting one player that made 10 Pro Bowl appearances OR drafting 8-9 players that each made a couple of Pro Bowl appearances?

Sorry...the other article talked about some other parameteres besides just pro bowl selections IIRC.

IIRC (and this was a couple years ago and I looked for it but could not find it)

It also talked about number of starts for the players vs players sitting on the bench.
If the player got a 2nd (or more) contracts with the team or went on to get another contract with another team (in other words more playing time and productivity as a player vs someone who just sat on the bench).

Look..Maybe you are just mad at that one articles perspective and so be it...but if you are mad because it does not fit how you feel then maybe you should take a step back and reconsider. Or not...that is your choice.

I was just illustrating that it was not just a Dallas fan forum that made the arguement (as you indicated in turn in your mind making it biased)...and it was not just about pro bowls although that is indeed a worthy stat to use because it is comparing it to other teams players as well.

Either way...take it, don't take it...your choice.

 

[Proof]

We're good at drafting pro bowlers, and that's a solid feather in the cap, but with the exception of last year it seems we draft one or two really good players and whiff the rest of the time, and often times comically. I suspect there are several teams that have a much stronger overall track record of starters/impact players and role players throughout and probably more important. Especially considering we have to pay top dollar to retain our hits. We've also had the luxury (?) of drafting below 20 in most of the post 2000 drafts

 

[CowboyRoy]

According to this article, the Cowboys and Patriots are tied for tops in the NFL at drafting since 2000. The most pro bowlers ect...

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2017...ots-for-the-most-successful-drafts-since-2000

Ps. I dont necessarily agree that we are the best but it was interesting. Don't shoot the messenger.

And we are the worst in the NFL in managing the salary cap and FA.

 

[MileyDancer]

priority is replacing the secondary then defensive line,offensive line

Defensive line first.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Sorry...the other article talked about some other parameteres besides just pro bowl selections IIRC.

IIRC (and this was a couple years ago and I looked for it but could not find it)

It also talked about number of starts for the players vs players sitting on the bench.
If the player got a 2nd (or more) contracts with the team or went on to get another contract with another team (in other words more playing time and productivity as a player vs someone who just sat on the bench).

Look..Maybe you are just mad at that one articles perspective and so be it...but if you are mad because it does not fit how you feel then maybe you should take a step back and reconsider. Or not...that is your choice.

I was just illustrating that it was not just a Dallas fan forum that made the arguement (as you indicated in turn in your mind making it biased)...and it was not just about pro bowls although that is indeed a worthy stat to use because it is comparing it to other teams players as well.

Either way...take it, don't take it...your choice.

The nationally sourced article you're referencing may have merit and have sound analysis, but I can't speak to it one way or the other because I simply have never seen it to read it.

I'm all for the Cowboys being considered astute drafters, but if I am, it's not going to be derived from the criteria/evidence/conclusion the bloggingtheboys article forwarded, at least if I'm objective in my epistemology.

I'm specifically talking about the article Locus posted from bloggingtheboys. That article doesn't prove the conclusion the author thinks it does.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You're referencing another article (from a national source) which I'm not (referencing), nor even know the details of which to argue or agree with so I'm not sure how you're trying to saddle me with addressing the findings?

I'm talking about the article Locus posted from bloggingtheboys. That article doesn't prove the conclusion the author thinks it does.

I'm all for the Cowboys being considered astute drafters, but if I am it's not going to be derived from the criteria/evidence/conclusion the bloggingtheboys article forwarded, at least if I'm objective in my epistemology.

your words after I posted about the other article...

"How does that dispute the criticism? Faulty analysis is faulty analysis, whether it's done on a local or national level."

I went on to describe the other article doing more than just probowl.

Moving on now...no use in arguing something that seems like you are not getting. Not being mean here, just not in the mood for a long drawn out argument that should not be argued in the first place if everything is understandable in the first place...and maybe that is my fault.

Good Day

 

[JoeKing]

Parcells took a team that went 5-11ish three straight years to the playoffs with Quincy Carter as his starting QB. That alone should get him in the HOF.

No... not the Hall of Fame, the Hall of Mediocrity. You like that, you can have it.

 

[Gameover]

Have been top 5 this decade. How can anybody look at our roster and dispute this? You don't win 12 and 13 games in a season without some good drafting. Some will nit pick this pick or that pick, but nobody bats a 1,000 in the draft.

They've drafted 7 guys who made an all pro this team this decade plus 2 rookie of the years and people are in disagreement with this?

Tough crowd

Dak and Zeke were both ROY in my opinion I don't care how the voters voted

All pro
Lee
Smith
Fred
Martin
Dez
Murray
Zeke

Great feat no matter how you slice it!

Soon J. Smith will join that list


Jimmy didn't do that. Or it's very close

 

[Gameover]

"You are what your record says you are"

Cowboys were better than 4-12 in 2015, probably weren't quite 13-3 good this season. That quote is bs

 

[ghst187]

Better than NE at drafting but worse at coaching....hmm who will win?

 

[waving monkey]

Defensive line first.

we'll see

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I've been saying this for years:

1. The GM position is overvalued in the NFL. Look at the coaches we have had versus the coach the Patriots has had.


2. Our problem has never been about finding talent. It's about meshing the talent together. Which again goes back to....coaching.

The easy and convenient narrative is that Jerry doesn't know anything and can't draft. The difficult narrative is to accept the fact that talent isn't an issue in Dallas.


YR

 

[gmoney112]

Why is that funny?

I think the main issue has been too much of a willingness to take a risk on boom bust in the second round. Collins and Crawford are talented players.

So is Tapper. (i know i'm projecting here)

priority is replacing the secondary then defensive line,offensive line

I think we're probably good on OL. And just draft the best defensive players and itll work itself out. When drafting BPA doesnt align with fixing a need, then we can reach into FA.

 

[Eddie]

Sounds good.

How many playoff games have we won in the past 20 years ???

 

[ShiningStar]

I thought were tops at drafting injured players, giving up on second round picks lately, or just saying "talent, screw that, give me the small school guy who hasnt done anything, i want more of that".

 

[rwalters31]

According to this article, the Cowboys and Patriots are tied for tops in the NFL at drafting since 2000. The most pro bowlers ect...

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2017...ots-for-the-most-successful-drafts-since-2000

Ps. I dont necessarily agree that we are the best but it was interesting. Don't shoot the messenger.

I would put the Steelers in that as well

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

your words after I posted about the other article...

"How does that dispute the criticism? Faulty analysis is faulty analysis, whether it's done on a local or national level."

I went on to describe the other article doing more than just probowl.

Moving on now...no use in arguing something that seems like you are not getting. Not being mean here, just not in the mood for a long drawn out argument that should not be argued in the first place if everything is understandable in the first place...and maybe that is my fault.

Good Day

Yeah, I'm not sure why there is a disconnect either.

 

[waving monkey]

Sounds good.

How many playoff games have we won in the past 20 years ???

be in the now