Cowboys best in NFL at drafting

[MichaelWinicki]

Mo is a bust in Dallas because of his injury prone nature so I don't hang that on Jerry or the Scouts. As for DLaw... he may still workout yet. He's still a young guy.

Plus the fake defensive coordinator Rob Ryan was smitten with getting two man-to-man corners on the team and ended up with Claiborne and Carr.

 

[Kevinicus]

They had he option of taking Stephen Jackson and decided not to.
Someone who was a mod at one time was at Valley Ranch during that draft.
The Tuna did not want to deal with Jackon's Agents (postons) and did not like Jackson Up right running style.

So they made a trade and took the trade offer from the Bills to trade down. Jackson WAS on the board at that time. The bills traded up to take JP Losman.
We took Jones in the second round.

That is true. They could have taken Jackson. However, it's not true to say they chose Jones over him.

 

[tyke1doe]

Why is Jason Garrett at fault for a track record that begins in 2000?

I said we know about the other coaches. That would account for the other coaches since 2000.

 

[Zekeats]

No... not the Hall of Fame, the Hall of Mediocrity. You like that, you can have it.

Believe what you'd like. He won a super bowl with a backup QB. Took the Rich Kottite jets (4-28) overall and coming off a 1-15 season to a 9-7 record. In his 3rd season with the pats he was in the Super Bowl. Again, took Quincy Carter to the playoffs in his first season after 3 straight 5-11 seasons and set our franchise up with a bookend pass rusher, a franchise QB and drafted well for the most part particularly the year we switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4. Unreal how you can even question the guy. One of the smartest psychological coaches ever.

 

[AsthmaField]

I'm late to the party on this thread but here is my two cents worth:

Dallas and New England are tied because of how bad Dallas was in the 2000's and how good NE was during that time.

If you just looked at the draft since 2010, I think Dallas would be well out ahead of NE. Probably ahead of everyone. Since 2010 Dallas has been knocking it out of the park (for the most part) with the draft. The excellent drafting coincides pretty much with the triumvirate of Garrett, Stephen Jones, and Will McClay forming the lions share of the personnel decisions. It coincides with the team actually formulating a plan and direction for the team. Sticking with guys who love football and are good team mates. Tough guys who play the right way and play a physical brand of football.

Once those parameters were laid out, it has been much easier for the team to target specific types of players and avoid another specific type (again, for the most part).

It is to the point now where when the team takes a guy like Malik Collins or Anthony Brown... I just figure they know what they're doing and know how the player fits on the team. In the 2000's I used to get pissed because I knew the guys they were taking simply weren't the right ones.

Dallas still has misses, like every team out there... but those are getting fewer and fewer, with their great picks coming more and more regularly.

I couldn't be happier with how they do it.

 

[waving monkey]

Believe what you'd like. He won a super bowl with a backup QB. Took the Rich Kottite jets (4-28) overall and coming off a 1-15 season to a 9-7 record. In his 3rd season with the pats he was in the Super Bowl. Again, took Quincy Carter to the playoffs in his first season after 3 straight 5-11 seasons and set our franchise up with a bookend pass rusher, a franchise QB and drafted well for the most part particularly the year we switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4. Unreal how you can even question the guy. One of the smartest psychological coaches ever.

I loved Purcells I did not like his depression nor the selfish way he left the Cowboys late in the season leaving JJones with the left overs [Phillips].
No one ever gave pressers like purcells.

 

[JoeKing]

Believe what you'd like. He won a super bowl with a backup QB. Took the Rich Kottite jets (4-28) overall and coming off a 1-15 season to a 9-7 record. In his 3rd season with the pats he was in the Super Bowl. Again, took Quincy Carter to the playoffs in his first season after 3 straight 5-11 seasons and set our franchise up with a bookend pass rusher, a franchise QB and drafted well for the most part particularly the year we switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4. Unreal how you can even question the guy. One of the smartest psychological coaches ever.

You call him a psychological coach, I call him a head case. He played mind tricks with the players and never achieve the ultimate goal which is at least a conference title. He did no better that our current clapper, lol.

 

[cowboyblue22]

yeah we are really great at drafting but we still cant win a divisional playoff game there are other reasons that the cowboys don't win other than talent there is talent here in dallas

 

[SlammedZero]

That is true. They could have taken Jackson. However, it's not true to say they chose Jones over him.

To be fair the pick didn't look that bad at first. Jones was a running machine that first season after he came back from injury. He looked promising. We all know how that story ends but at first he definitely gave a mirage to the fans that he could be the potent back we were looking for.

 

[Macnalty]

The Tuna is way over rated as an evaluator of talent. It was he and Jerry Jones that got in a drunken stupor together before the 2004 draft and ended up drafting Julius Jones over Steven Jackson. How both of these lushes are in the Hall of Fame is beyond my understanding.

Are you under the impression that there is a evaluator who gets things right 100% of the time? Just tell us who you think is the greatest evaluator currently and what their success rate is the last ten years?

 

[haleyrules]

Defensive line first.

Yes. Everything works off the performance of the DL.

 

[haleyrules]

I loved Purcells I did not like his depression nor the selfish way he left the Cowboys late in the season leaving JJones with the left overs [Phillips].
No one ever gave pressers like purcells.

I always thought he wanted to punish Jerry for his meddling in the Tunas territory and especially the signing of team killer T.O.

 

[gimmesix]

The Tuna is way over rated as an evaluator of talent. It was he and Jerry Jones that got in a drunken stupor together before the 2004 draft and ended up drafting Julius Jones over Steven Jackson. How both of these lushes are in the Hall of Fame is beyond my understanding.

Parcells certainly did undervalue running backs and assumed one of those was just as good as the other. However, he started our change in approach to drafting so I give him credit, because without him, I believe Jerry would have continued to make picks on a whim.

 

[JoeKing]

Are you under the impression that there is a evaluator who gets things right 100% of the time? Just tell us who you think is the greatest evaluator currently and what their success rate is the last ten years?

I'm not under that impression at all and I'm not going to get on a tangent my answering your other off the wall questions. Stay focused here @Macnalty. Bill Parcells isn't in the HoF because of anything he did in Dallas.

 

[Bullflop]

I'm taken back a bit after seeing the accolades afforded to our picks as compared to the Pats since 2000. I think the main difference in the success rates of us as compared to NE lies in the management area of these teams. Kraft is willing to allow Belichek to take charge of the team's decisions pertaining to talent acquisition, trading and cap management, whereas I think we tend to struggle mightily in the last two items of those.

 

[JoeKing]

Parcells certainly did undervalue running backs and assumed one of those was just as good as the other. However, he started our change in approach to drafting so I give him credit, because without him, I believe Jerry would have continued to make picks on a whim.

Stephen Jones deserves the credit for the change in his daddy's decision making more than the Tuna. The Combination of Stephen and Will McClay are the ones that have this train back on the tracks. Stop giving Parcells credit he does not absolutely deserve. Bill was Jerry's booze buddy that talked a bunch of BS and the idiots of the world bought his BS. The fact that he IS in the HoF only means there are a lot of idiots out there, not that the Tuna is anything truly special.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Parcells certainly did undervalue running backs and assumed one of those was just as good as the other. However, he started our change in approach to drafting so I give him credit, because without him, I believe Jerry would have continued to make picks on a whim.

What approach was that? What I recall from Parcells was they let him have his way on guys like Rodgers, Johnson, Carpenter, and the KR de l'annee while he had to be overruled on Spears in favor of Ware.

 

[gimmesix]

What approach was that? What I recall from Parcells was they let him have his way on guys like Rodgers, Johnson, Carpenter, and the KR de l'annee while he had to be overruled on Spears in favor of Ware.

I remember reading things like this that the Joneses learned from Parcells:

The construction of Dallas’s current roster traces back to the tenure of Bill Parcells, who left after the 2006 season. Under Parcells, the Cowboys grew more efficient in the draft. They pared their draft board and worried less about overall quality than about fit for their system.

“Believe it or not, I give Bill Parcells a lot of credit in terms of when we made a major shift, a sea change if you will,” said Cowboys CEO and Director of Player Personnel Stephen Jones, who is Jerry’s son. “He caused us to reduce the number of players we had up on our board, almost cut it in half. It allows you to really focus on the players that work for you and your coaching staff, and the type of guys you want. Even though you know a guy might be picked in the first round, he may not work for us.”

 

[Melonfeud]

Mo is a bust in Dallas because of his injury prone nature so I don't hang that on Jerry or the Scouts. As for DLaw... he may still workout yet. He's still a young guy.

I read somewhere that the dude playing the opposite side of the defensive back Field with Mo' at LSU was what made him look as good as he did to the Cowboys to begin with, and without his guidance Claiborne turned out pretty much to be pedestrian

 

[ondaedg]

I think we're the best at drafting o-linemen. Definitely not good on D. Decent at WR when we do draft them. We have hit some home runs at RB as well. Did I say we suk at drafting on D?