Cowboys bus involved in fatal crash

[speedkilz88]

I thought it was hit on driver side, lf you look at the video reports, it seems that way.

The van driver turned left on a road where it says Do Not Enter. Bus t-boned the passenger side. No citations issued. 4 people lost their lives. Don't lose perspective.

 

[JoeKing]

It's actually quite simple using the black box on the vehicle to calculate the last five seconds before impact and collision forensics. If the driver was speeding at all he will be assessed a degree of comparative negligence. Assessing a degree of comparative negligence is not hard to do. Especially in a fatality even with the other driver committing a illegal left turn. Again, I don't know what they will do but I wouldn't be surprised to see the insurance pay some to the estate of the families involved avoiding litigation.

Assuming the bus even had a "black box".

 

[Cowboys22]

Yes. that's the important thing with four people dead

The cause of the accident and who was at fault is especially important because there were fatalities. Talking about that aspect and feeling relief that it appears the driver of the van was at fault does not in any way diminish anyone's grief in the four lives lost.

 

[CWR]

You guys are awesome. We can actually find a way to argue about any subject. Instead of the Cowboys Zone we should just call it the debate club lol. Maybe this is what happens when you go so long with out a championship.

 

[jordan4vols]

Assuming the bus even had a "black box".

Since 2014 it's mandatory to have one and before that it was around 95% of autos have one. It started back in the mid 90s. Just to give you an idea, I have a fatality that I am working involving a 2004 Dodge ram and a 2009 Kia and they both have one.

 

[Frozen700]

They attempted to make a left hand turn and got hit by the Cowboys bus. Sad.

Unless it was a red light the bus ran, then the car is at fault.

 

[Longboysfan]

Prayers to the family that lost loved ones.

 

[jordan4vols]

Unless it was a red light the bus ran, then the car is at fault.

It's not as simple as that with comparative negligence

 

[JoeKing]

Unless it was a red light the bus ran, then the car is at fault.

There was no red light. The bus was on the highway and the van had been at a stop sign just previous to the collision and then simply pulled onto the highway and in front of the bus. The bus had no time to respond before impact and collided at full speed (what ever that may have been). If memory serves me right, I think the speed limit there is 70 mph.

 

[viman96]

I am guessing , but I think the 4 were a family. 2 adults, and 2 teenage girls, sounds like a family.

Also the whole illegal turn is irrelevant, if they had turn right result would have been similar, they would have been hit more in the rear or at a angle
so not quite as bad.
The only thing is did bus have lights on? was it dark or near dawn? how fast was the bus going?
Why did the driver of the van not see a big white bus?? or think he would not be hit by it.

Seems to me the car pulled out and was immediately hit in the side, and was carried way down the road or knocked way down.
In the first link in op post, look at the pictures, and videos of the van, and then see if you think 55,mph would do that
It might, since vans are weak vehicles, but this looks like a high speed impact.

I think the main fault would be with the driver of the van, pulling out and not seeing a bus is bad, and then trying to go left which at that point
was actually straight ahead, was all on him
But if the bus was doing 90 and not paying attention, then some fault would be with the driver of bus.

No brakes hit means the bus driver did not see that the van was pulling out, and again they must have been either going really fast
or the van just pulled out right into them.

Unless the law changed, if you pull into the flow of traffic and get hit it is your fault. Even if the vehicle was speeding.

 

[jordan4vols]

Unless the law changed, if you pull into the flow of traffic and get hit it is your fault. Even if the vehicle was speeding.

Thats not correct with regards to comparative negligence. I outlined a bit on the first page but suffice to say the Cowboys insurance could still be paying a percentage if the driver is to be found speeding.

 

[AsthmaField]

They changed the article, I saw it when the news broke and they most definitely intimated that Jerry should be compensating some people because of his billions of dollars. PFT also deleted a bunch of comments excoriating Florio for his 'reporting' of said accident...

Ah... Thanks.

 

[Hostile]

Unless it was a red light the bus ran, then the car is at fault.

Where this happened was on a highway. No red lights. The van was attempting to turn left. The road where the highway crosses is marked Do Not Enter, so they think he tried to U-Turn in front of the bus. The bus hit the van hard on the passenger side. There are images out there of the van which show that the hit is clearly on the passenger side. Someone earlier said he though it was driver's side. If you see the impact side and seats on the far right it confirms passenger side. I provided the staff here with a very graphic video of the wreckage. I don't think it should be shared, but it is up to them. There is a statement scheduled for this morning by the AZ Highway Patrol. I am not sure what time. Emory Tyler, the Cowboys driver, is a great guy whom I have met. He should be in everyone's prayers. Note that Mickey Spagnola said they are "physically" okay. They saw something horrible folks. Keep them all in your thoughts and prayers.

 

[JoeKing]

Where this happened was on a highway. No red lights. The van was attempting to turn left. The road where the highway crosses is marked Do Not Enter, so they think he tried to U-Turn in front of the bus. The bus hit the van hard on the passenger side. There are images out there of the van which show that the hit is clearly on the passenger side. Someone earlier said he though it was driver's side. If you see the impact side and seats on the far right it confirms passenger side. I provided the staff here with a very graphic video of the wreckage. I don't think it should be shared, but it is up to them. There is a statement scheduled for this morning by the AZ Highway Patrol. I am not sure what time. Emory Tyler, the Cowboys driver, is a great guy whom I have met. He should be in everyone's prayers. Note that Mickey Spagnola said they are "physically" okay. They saw something horrible folks. Keep them all in your thoughts and prayers.

You've really hit on something here. The images they must of saw after exiting that bus must have been horrific. That can really effect a person mentally. Thoughts and prayers are indeed in order for Mickey, Emory and others on the bus.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

CBoys website still no mention of this. Unless I missed.

 

[jordan4vols]

Ammending my earlier writing it appears the accident happened in Arizona which follows full comparative negligence law. Therefore the plaintiff (in this case the estate of the deceased) can recover even if deemed 99% at fault for the accident.

The Cowboys insurance policy will be paying something to families. Guaranteed. If the driver of the Cowboys bus was going 1 mile an hour over the speed limit he can be assessed fault.

 

[JoeKing]

CBoys website still no mention of this. Unless I missed.

Patience is a virtue. There is a write up about it on NFL.com and the Cowboy's Rich Dalrymple has released a statement too.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Patience is a virtue. There is a write up about it on NFL.com and the Cowboy's Rich Dalrymple has released a statement too.

Bad news is reported just as fast as good news at the site. Elliotts news was reported the day it was up. But since it involves the media who actually work at the site, they are reluctant to post it.

 

[JoeKing]

Bad news is reported just as fast as good news at the site. Elliotts news was reported the day it was up.

This directly involved a beloved writer.

 

[Idgit]

Bad news is reported just as fast as good news at the site. Elliotts news was reported the day it was up. But since it involves the media who actually work at the site, they are reluctant to post it.

They may not think the fan site is the appropriate place to place information relating to the crash, especially if there an open liability question. But you're right that it seems weird to have the Road Trippin' articles up there and no mention of the accident at all.