Cowboys cornerback grades: Why this group will surprise people this season

[Stash]

no. what I want is a far cry from anything that's been done or will be done. Fans have pie in the sky hopes. the only time I have any angst about my wants it's when we're on the clock in a draft. there's no "the way i wanted it" for the roster decisions, it's what is practical and logical. i'm not talking about a bandaid being pulled off slowly, my interest was never in running anyone out of town, just in improving the secondary in general, and i don't see how gaining the guys we got and keeping some of the guys we lost wouldn't accomplish that. *shrug*

How many roster spots do you think a team has? You want to draft young guys, but keep the guys that were here? OK...

i also didn't say anything about the young guys being forced onto the field, i'm not sure why you're bringing that up. it's a wierd kind of point though, that somewhat reinforces mine, if we still had church, or carr, or claiborne, the young guys could unseat them as well and we'd be better for it. all good though, just stop trying to spin what people are saying. you can want guys gone or improved on in general and be nervous about a mass exodus in one offseason

Sure, you want it both ways.

 

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How many roster spots do you think a team has? You want to draft young guys, but keep the guys that were here? OK...



Sure, you want it both ways.

yes i want it both ways. that sums it up very succinctly. and is not unreasonable. i would be extremely happy with one of carr or claiborne instead of ronnie hilman, or a fourth tight end, or dan skipper, or ...

 

[Stash]

yes i want it both ways. that sums it up very succinctly. and is not unreasonable. i would be extremely happy with one of carr or claiborne instead of ronnie hilman, or a fourth tight end, or dan skipper, or ...

Yeah, draft all the rookies, but keep all of the other guys.

And allow the Cowboys a 70-man roster!

 

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Yeah, draft all the rookies, but keep all of the other guys.

And allow the Cowboys a 70-man roster!

sorry, I thought you were able to interpret words directly. carry on sir.

 

[Stash]

sorry, I thought you were able to interpret words directly. carry on sir.

I have. Maybe you should actually think about what it is you're asking for?

 

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proper emoji, you're clearly confused. I stated directly I would like to draft the players we did, and keep one of the now gone cornerbacks over other bloated positions we have. that's a 1:1 situation with no additional roster spot necessary. But you clearly like to argue semantics (like the starters issue) I don't really have any interest in it. Just to wrap up, yes i know how many roster spots there are, no I don't want to draft rookies and keep every player we lose, and no I don't think we need 70 roster spots.

 

[Trouty]

Fellas, fellas

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I have to chuckle every time I hear someone downgrade the Cowboys because they lost most of their secondary to free agency. While it is true they lost most of their secondary, the truth is, the quality they they lost was minimal.

I wouldn't call Claiborne minimal. He was getting really good. Of course, he had injury problems, which may have justified letting him walk. But he was definitely a very good corner when on the field. I had hoped we would retain him and let Carr walk, but it wasn't in the cards I guess.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

I wouldn't call Claiborne minimal. He was getting really good. Of course, he had injury problems, which may have justified letting him walk. But he was definitely a very good corner when on the field. I had hoped we would retain him and let Carr walk, but it wasn't in the cards I guess.

The key is - when on the field - He barely played in half the games he was a Cowboy. Talented or not, that's a minimal impact.

 

[Hawkeye19]

"When Mo is healthy" is a fantasy. It doesn't exist. It's like chasing a unicorn. The guy has barely played in half of the games since he was drafted.



He's the same guy who was out there last year, now a full year removed from his knee injury.



I'd settle for a "push" if need be. Best case, Awuzie is better and beats him out for that job. But it's nice to know that the team doesn't have to rely on the rookie and have options.



We may have new faces, but I don't see "question marks" like I've mentioned, we're not forced to play any of the rookies if we don't want to. And the guys that left town just didn't make plays.

And the faith I have in the same coaches who got the best out of the guys that left, gives me confidence that the rookies will be getting quality coaching too.

You see it half full-- I see it half empty. No problem. I hope you're right

 

[Stash]

You see it half full-- I see it half empty. No problem. I hope you're right

What a switch! Usually, I'm the guy getting accused of that!


But in all honesty, I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised. And if not, feel free to remind me and give me a hard time about it!

As long as it's for something that I actually said!

 

[Stash]

proper emoji, you're clearly confused. I stated directly I would like to draft the players we did, and keep one of the now gone cornerbacks over other bloated positions we have. that's a 1:1 situation with no additional roster spot necessary. But you clearly like to argue semantics (like the starters issue) I don't really have any interest in it. Just to wrap up, yes i know how many roster spots there are, no I don't want to draft rookies and keep every player we lose, and no I don't think we need 70 roster spots.

So you're complaints boil down to signing Carroll over Carr?

Whether you agree with them or not, the Cowboys looked at Carroll as a possible Carr replacement two year's in a Row. They obviously view them as equal. The fact is that Carr agreed to the paycut and stayed for 2016 and chose not to take the deal that Carroll ultimately did in 2017.

Of all things to be concerned about, it shouldn't be replacing one mediocre cornerback with another for the same price.

 

[Seven]

I'm up for the group to grow together 100%... and I think we will see some better playmakers as they come together than we have had in years.

Willing to take the lumps... just not drinking the kool aid that somehow the secondary is not going to miss a beat (or three)

I get that............however, I think they'll be an improvement.

 

[Hawkeye19]

What a switch! Usually, I'm the guy getting accused of that!


But in all honesty, I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised. And if not, feel free to remind me and give me a hard time about it!

As long as it's for something that I actually said!

Lol... I would be delighted to be wrong on this issue and will be pumped if this D takes the next step for us this year

 

[Reverend Conehead]

The key is - when on the field - He barely played in half the games he was a Cowboy. Talented or not, that's a minimal impact.

It would be nice if our new corners can play as well as he did, but be more durable. If so, it's a win.

 

[Stash]

It would be nice if our new corners can play as well as he did, but be more durable. If so, it's a win.

It would take work to be less durable.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

It would take work to be less durable.

Not really. It's more of a DNA issue. I remember Rocket Ismail, loved the guy, but he was injury prone. It wasn't really anything he did. He just didn't have the DNA to be as durable as someone like Michael Irvin. I suspect the same with Claiborne. He worked hard and got in shape and played well, but he just didn't have the genes to be as durable as others.

 

[Stash]

Not really. It's more of a DNA issue. I remember Rocket Ismail, loved the guy, but he was injury prone. It wasn't really anything he did. He just didn't have the DNA to be as durable as someone like Michael Irvin. I suspect the same with Claiborne. He worked hard and got in shape and played well, but he just didn't have the genes to be as durable as others.

I agree with you. Some guys, like Claiborne, Chaz Green, and Lance Dunbar just can't hold up to the NFL beating. Romo too.

But Claiborne missed almost half of the games since he was drafted.

It would take work for someone to approach those dubious numbers.

 

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So you're complaints boil down to signing Carroll over Carr?

Whether you agree with them or not, the Cowboys looked at Carroll as a possible Carr replacement two year's in a Row. They obviously view them as equal. The fact is that Carr agreed to the paycut and stayed for 2016 and chose not to take the deal that Carroll ultimately did in 2017.

Of all things to be concerned about, it shouldn't be replacing one mediocre cornerback with another for the same price.

My complaint is with you continually misrepresenting opinions. My entire point was that being unhappy with the secondary and being concerned with them all leaving at once aren’t mutually exclusive. The particulars no longer matter. I’m happy with the roster even if I had slightly different desires.

 

[Stash]

My complaint is with you continually misrepresenting opinions. My entire point was that being unhappy with the secondary and being concerned with them all leaving at once aren’t mutually exclusive. The particulars no longer matter. I’m happy with the roster even if I had slightly different desires.

If they were clear, there would be no "misrepresentation". Tha fact is that they weren't and came across as wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

Glad you're happy.