Cowboys defense - Not all bad

[StarOfGlory]

I think you need to take another look at the Eagles defensive roster...

Hmm...okay, let's look at the Eagle's defensive roster

CB: Jaylen Mills: 7th round pick from last year who this board says sucks
CB: Rasul Douglas: Rookie
DT: Bo Allen, 7th round pick who played for Cox when injured
Chris Marigos: Special teams player who had to fill in at safety
LB: Najee Goode, cut twice from the Eagles in previous years, off the practice squad
LB: Joe Walker (who??????) filling in for Jordan Hicks, their version of Sean Lee, off the practice squad last year, barely made the team this year
LB: Mychael Kendricks, who barely played 33% of the snaps last year, the LB who the Eagles tried to give away
LB: Michael Bradham, another player who was new last year and was unwanted by other teams
FS: Rodney McLeod, another player who posters on this board says sucked

In fact, many posters on this board have said in the past that the entire Eagles secondary outside of Malcolm Jenkins is one of the worst in football. Not much good was said about their linebackers too.

So, what does that mean? That the average poster on these boards knows jack **** about personal? Sure looks like it, eh?

Of course, if I am wrong, and the Cowboys personal is as good as you think, then why does the Eagles defense make ours smell like month-old flounder? Is their d-line THAT good?

Guess what? Our personnel simply isn't good enough.

 

[Zman5]

If you look at the overall post and the title I'm pointing out the positives of the defense.

The field goals represent partial stops by the defense.

Did I list TDs on the other games?

I'm pretty sure the Packers didn't score 28 points with FGs only.

Packers game
Cowboys defense gave up less points than the Packers defense (28 vs 31).

 

[stiletto]

Maybe, but DLaw had 9 tackles and zero sacks his rookie season. Taco was a similar type player to DLaw in college but actually better.

Very few DEs are really good as rookies.

Yeah I agree but at the first round level, he should be at least DECENT starting out. He's not even practice squad level yet. That's really bad.

 

[TheHerd]

30 points per game is the rule of thumb on what you need to score to win consistently.

20 years ago that number was 20 point but in the modern pass happy NFL teams score faster and get more possessions.

The Packers have averaged 29 points per game and the Cowboys defense held them to 28.

Only 1 team, Atl, averaged 30 last year.

Only 2 are at 30 so far this year.

 

[CCBoy]

Hmm...okay, let's look at the Eagle's defensive roster

CB: Jaylen Mills: 7th round pick from last year who this board says sucks
CB: Rasul Douglas: Rookie
DT: Bo Allen, 7th round pick who played for Cox when injured
Chris Marigos: Special teams player who had to fill in at safety
LB: Najee Goode, cut twice from the Eagles in previous years, off the practice squad
LB: Joe Walker (who??????) filling in for Jordan Hicks, their version of Sean Lee, off the practice squad last year, barely made the team this year
LB: Mychael Kendricks, who barely played 33% of the snaps last year, the LB who the Eagles tried to give away
LB: Michael Bradham, another player who was new last year and was unwanted by other teams
FS: Rodney McLeod, another player who posters on this board says sucked

In fact, many posters on this board have said in the past that the entire Eagles secondary outside of Malcolm Jenkins is one of the worst in football. Not much good was said about their linebackers too.

So, what does that mean? That the average poster on these boards knows jack **** about personal? Sure looks like it, eh?

Of course, if I am wrong, and the Cowboys personal is as good as you think, then why does the Eagles defense make ours smell like month-old flounder? Is their d-line THAT good?

Guess what? Our personnel simply isn't good enough.

The Cowboys don't do...interceptions, create fumbles, create punts, even if one does a value analysis on where drafted. And they add little come the 4th quarter. Now what was that about drafted position again?

 

[AdamJT13]

Our opponents have had the WORST average starting field position in the entire NFL, and yet our defense has allowed the MOST points per possession. That's terrible defense.

And that's after allowing only three points in the first game. You can imagine how bad it's been since then.

 

[lostar2009]

Pointless aggressiveness on offense cost us the Packers game. Don't call that pass play that resulted in the pick-six? We probably win. Don't call that passing play that stopped the clock? At worst, we go to overtime, and maybe we win.

Pointless aggressiveness by a unit other than our defense (with Switzer fumbling away the football) cost us in another game.

The defense isn't good. But when the offense grinds and chews up clock, it helps. Notice the guy who pointed out earlier in this thread that the Packers only scored less because our offense held the ball so long in the 4th qtr? Our offense methodically running and eating up clock is our best chance to help the defense.

The more aggressive we get, the more careless we get. We turn the ball over and we sabotage a defense that for sure isn't good enough to beat the opposing offense and to overcome our careless turnovers by the offense and kick returners.

So asking for amped-up aggressiveness by the offense is only going to result in the offense turning the ball over more and eating less clock, and it'll result in opponents scoring even more than they already are. Your plan ends with the defense spending more time on the field and opponents scoring more and winning more easily. We're harder to beat (and to score a lot on) when we run and grind that clock down.

You're basically saying: "This defense is terrible. But I have an idea to put them on the field EVEN MORE than they already are. How's that sound?" It sounds like a bad plan to me.

We had the ball at that point and only needed to run one run play to milk 30 sec off the clock or force GB to use a time out.

 

[Sydla]

The defense has been good enough to give them a chance to win all but the Broncos game. Even the Broncos game was largely determined by the Cowboys offense not being able to run the ball and keep the Broncos offense off the field and 2 INTs on the Cowboys offense doomed any chance for the defense.

Packers game
Cowboys defense gave up less points than the Packers defense (28 vs 31). Thanks TWill for giving the Packers the other 7 points.
Held Rodgers to 19 completions for 221 yards.

Rams game
Rams 7 field goals and 2 punts

Cardinals game
Cowboys win
Cardinals 6 punts and 2 field goal attempts

Broncos game
Zeke only 9 carries for 8 yards.
Time of possession 34-26 Broncos-Cowboys
Broncos QB 22/32 for 231 yards.
Broncos 3 punts, 1 field goal attempt

Giants game
Cowboys win.
Giants 6 punts, 1 field goal attempt
Giants 220 yards passing, 35 yards, rushing

LOL.

They are statistically one of the worst defenses in the league and even advanced stats like Football Outsiders has us as one of the worst defenses.

And it wasn't all just because of the Broncos game.

 

[Sydla]

Their points per drive stat was not goog last year but their total points allowed was top 5. That indicates the total number of drives faced was limited because the offense controlled the ball.

The high picks on the OL and a top 5 pick on Zeke was intended to help the defense but that plan has been a problem this season.

No, what it means was the defense was kind of crappy last year but we could cover for it with a bizarrely efficient offense.

Your premise here is that the defense isn't that bad this year. Yes it is. It sucks. Anyone suggesting otherwise is acting dumb, trolling or doesn't realize he's a fan of the Cowboys but rather another team.

The only difference this year is that the offense hasn't been nearly as efficient to gloss over the fact this defense sucks.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Walker, my man......you've started some GOOD threads that helped me understand the breakdown of certain games and overlooked stats, but I gotta tell ya, THIS IS NOT A GOOD THREAD. ........but I ain't mad at ya (LOL)

 

[Sydla]

I think you need to take another look at the Eagles defensive roster...

They haven't skipped a beat even when Cox was out, when they lost Darby at CB, etc.

Sure, they still have some talent on defense but they seem much better at overcoming key injuries than our poor staff/scheme.

 

[TheHerd]

Hmm...okay, let's look at the Eagle's defensive roster

CB: Jaylen Mills: 7th round pick from last year who this board says sucks
CB: Rasul Douglas: Rookie
DT: Bo Allen, 7th round pick who played for Cox when injured
Chris Marigos: Special teams player who had to fill in at safety
LB: Najee Goode, cut twice from the Eagles in previous years, off the practice squad
LB: Joe Walker (who??????) filling in for Jordan Hicks, their version of Sean Lee, off the practice squad last year, barely made the team this year
LB: Mychael Kendricks, who barely played 33% of the snaps last year, the LB who the Eagles tried to give away
LB: Michael Bradham, another player who was new last year and was unwanted by other teams
FS: Rodney McLeod, another player who posters on this board says sucked

In fact, many posters on this board have said in the past that the entire Eagles secondary outside of Malcolm Jenkins is one of the worst in football. Not much good was said about their linebackers too.

So, what does that mean? That the average poster on these boards knows jack **** about personal? Sure looks like it, eh?

Of course, if I am wrong, and the Cowboys personal is as good as you think, then why does the Eagles defense make ours smell like month-old flounder? Is their d-line THAT good?

Guess what? Our personnel simply isn't good enough.

The Eagles defense is all about the DL and attitude.

 

[Bluestang]

You have a history of attacking other posters but not providing any substance yourself.

You are still butthurt from years ago when I proved you wrong multiple times.

You have provided no substance in this thread or the Dez thread.

Your 1 in 5 like/post ratio is the worst I've seen.

Butt hurt about what? What was it exactly that you proved me wrong about?

Likewise what is your substance? Some half-*** argument about skewed stats that your using to fit in your agenda?

Wow, is that all it takes here in this forum to be a top poster? Likes? Lmao!

 

[Idgit]

The defense has been bad enough that two offensive performances that should have won the football games resulted in losses. It's been pretty terrible.

There have been some bright spots on the defense, but the poor run fits, bad LB and S play have completely derailed everything.

 

[pitt33]

Cowboys defense is 32nd in the league in Points per Drive Allowed (2.42 per drive) -- possibly the most telling single metric that tells you about the quality of an overall defense in comparison to other defenses in the league.

Cowboys defense is 29th in the league in Yards allowed per Drive.

There are only 4 teams with less take-aways defensively.

The stats, so far, portray a very poor defense.

Good work Perry.

 

[StarOfGlory]

The Cowboys don't do...interceptions, create fumbles, create punts, even if one does a value analysis on where drafted. And they add little come the 4th quarter. Now what was that about drafted position again?

And whose fault is that? The OP is implying that our personnel on defense is not that bad. Then why isn't our "good" personal producing interceptions and forcing fumbles like the "crappy" Eagles secondary, starting back-ups and low round draft picks can? Why do they force punts? Don't tell me it's the Eagles D-line---four people do not make an entire defense. Okay, I admit that having a real D-line is very important, and might have the best in football. But just like man cannot live on bread alone, a defense does not create turnovers and punts based on its D-line alone.

Our defense stinks. Period.

 

[pitt33]

Where are the turnovers?

Apple will be out of the oven soon

 

[Macnalty]

Cowboys defense is 32nd in the league in Points per Drive Allowed (2.42 per drive) -- possibly the most telling single metric that tells you about the quality of an overall defense in comparison to other defenses in the league.

Cowboys defense is 29th in the league in Yards allowed per Drive.

There are only 4 teams with less take-aways defensively.

The stats, so far, portray a very poor defense.

I agree very poor defense without the offense doing their job as 12th man. If the offense contributes than it is average, meaning running out clock, milking clock, slow long drives with scores. At this point in the season we are not going to be able to add to the talent pool on defense. We need to adjust our game plan to take advantage of our offense which in turn can possibly save maybe two or three less exposures of our defense per game and pray if you are inclined that our rooks are better than we thought.

 

[Idgit]

I agree very poor defense without the offense doing their job as 12th man. If the offense contributes than it is average, meaning running out clock, milking clock, slow long drives with scores. At this point in the season we are not going to be able to add to the talent pool on defense. We need to adjust our game plan to take advantage of our offense which in turn can possibly save maybe two or three less exposures of our defense per game and pray if you are inclined that our rooks are better than we thought.

We can actually expect better LB play with Lee and Hitchens both in the lineup. Then the issue becomes improving play at S, where we've got Awuzie and Woods both as candidates for playing time. We're too thin at LB, though. Can't afford an injury at WIL or MIKE the rest of the way, and we've counting on two players with a history of injuries.

 

[xwalker]

Walker, my man......you've started some GOOD threads that helped me understand the breakdown of certain games and overlooked stats, but I gotta tell ya, THIS IS NOT A GOOD THREAD. ........but I ain't mad at ya (LOL)

Be more specific.

They won 13 games season and that defense really wasn't much better. The offense held the ball and kept the defense off the field.

If Lee and Hitchens get back on the field together, this defense might be better than last year.