Cowboys franchise Pollard next season?

[kskboys]

It is. Someone said 12 million.

12 sounds about right.

I think we should offer Polly a 4 year/36 mill deal.

 

[mahoneybill]

That's definitely affordable for him long term to be our Aaron Jones basically. Dual threat change of pace back, not necessarily the starter but also not the bell cow who's as likely to get injured plowing through OLs and DLs twenty times a game.

The Zeke/AJ Dillon role is more replaceable. Keep drafting bigger backs who can block and pick up the blitz. Those guys you can draft and replace. The guys like Kamara, McCaffrey and Pollard are rare. But Atlanta and Carolina overused the former two and got them chronically injured; I hope we don't do the same with Pollard after we re-sign him.


Schultz can pound sand in the offseason honestly. He's a below average blocker and he doesn't make the difficult red zone catches like we saw today. He's only good for catching if he's wiiiiiiiiiiiide open.

cut Schultz give pollard his dollars. ROI makes more sense as pollard impacts more snaps than Schultz and our new draftees look to be better blockers

we are not a TE driven team. Getting away from the Witten model of moving the chains a good thing

 

[mahoneybill]

And they *finally* found another obvious way for Pollard to hurt a defense - they sent Pollard deep. Such a no brainer. Way too fast for most LBs to keep up with. Get Pollard in motion, see if a LB is in man coverage on him, and if so, he goes deep.
Only took them three and a half years to figure that one out.

pollard was used as a receiver in college. Good we are finally seeing it now

 

[mahoneybill]

I hesitate to give an RB big money. That said, I think that if Pollard was the featured back in a two back system, he would look like a top 5 RB. Out of all the players on the Cowboys, I think Pollard is the most disrespected. Even his fans don't seem to recognize how good he is.



https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/rushing_advanced.htm

Here is a fun one: Tony Pollard leads the NFL in yards after contact / rush. Its not a fluke. He was 6th last year. He is a much tougher runner than people give him credit for. He doesn't just go down.

his speed keeps him moving forward and he appears to run lower into contact.

 

[blueblood70]

I've already been thinking about a replacement for Zeke, if it happens. SaRodorick Thompson from Texas Tech. 6'0" 220 pounds.

Roshan Johnson from TX in the 3rd or 4th round would be steal. Im bias But..) he would work but don't forget Maik Davis already showing flashes.

 

[quickccc]

Whatever happens with Pollard and a future contract, I hope this front office has learned some things:

• Don’t draft a RB in round one. There are many really good backs on day 2 and 3 of the draft. As Pollard exemplifies.
• Having two or maybe three good RBs in a “committee” is better than putting all salary in one “star” RB (like we did with Zeke) I would rather have 2-3 really good backs on “rookie deals” than a high salaried back on a huge deal.
• The only way Zeke should be here next year is on a greatly reduced salary. (I would actually cut him)
• Most important point: Having an excellent offensive line is more important than having a great back.

Did we know Pollard was going to be as good ..as explosively impact as he is now coming out of Memphis St. ? .. Nope.
If that was such the case, he would've been drafed far much higher than the 4th round.

Difference is now ...because of his frequent feats of explosiveness on this very Cowboys team - we know or sure now what he can do, what he is capable of .
We dunno what we're getting in the NFL draft, ..I'm sure a dozen upon dozen of NFL teams have tried to pick out those really good backs later in the draft, and came up
with JAGs.

While i am with those that do not believe in drafting RBs in the first round - just for the sake of drafting one- that's how you end up with..
- Chiefs drafted Clyde Edwards Helaire in first rd. There's nuthin' special about him
- Ditto with Steelers with Najee Harris

- But If RBs were dime a dozen - every team would have a Tony Pollard,.. if you get lucky to get a Henry, a Taylor,..
. if you discover a Nick Chubb or Alvin Kamara, you lock them up contractually for years to come.

- Here's the 2nd big thing.- you have to know your RBs skill set and design your offense to them accordingly ..and you cannot overexpose to relentless pounding wear and tear like some
HCs do (please see Jason Garrett) ..

 

[terra]

I am constantly amused by the morons who bleat never draft a RB high never pay them big money.

Stupid people never learn.

Now as regards Pollard, fact is that there is a good chance some GM out there will offer him more than we SHOULD pay him.

 

[Eddie]

Both Zeke and Tony's replacements will be drafted in April.

RB's are a dime a dozen. Don't pay that kind of money.

 

[terra]

If Jimmy and Jerry had listened to the idiots saying never pay a RB we would have let Emmitt go in 1993; remember his holdout?

 

[Reid1boys]

I think I read the tag for RBs is around $12 million.

how much will we save by releasing Zeke? There is no way he stays unless he takes a huge pay cut. There is just no way you cant let Pollard walk and think you can just draft a replacement for him.

He has had huge explosive plays in damn near every game hes been given a chance. I dont think another back in the league has had half the big plays hes had.

 

[stiletto]

If Jimmy and Jerry had listened to the idiots saying never pay a RB we would have let Emmitt go in 1993; remember his holdout?

That was definitely a different time. The RB is just not used the same anymore like it was in the 80s/90s. Teams aren't built the same. I still think it is crazy to pay huge money to any RB. I love Pollard but if the OL is built well you can find several RB's in any draft that would be successful. We are gonna have to pay Parsons and Diggs. Can't have a ton of money going to RB's anymore.

 

[Reid1boys]

Both Zeke and Tony's replacements will be drafted in April.

RB's are a dime a dozen. Don't pay that kind of money.

so why dont we see those Pollard type explosive plays every week from the Pats, Bucs, Packers, and on and on.

Pollard has shown what he is worth to this team. By releasing Zeke, we can pay pollard.

 

[Bobhaze]

Did we know Pollard was going to be as good ..as explosively impact as he is now coming out of Memphis St. ? .. Nope.
If that was such the case, he would've been drafed far much higher than the 4th round.

Difference is now ...because of his frequent feats of explosiveness on this very Cowboys team - we know or sure now what he can do, what he is capable of .
We dunno what we're getting in the NFL draft, ..I'm sure a dozen upon dozen of NFL teams have tried to pick out those really good backs later in the draft, and came up
with JAGs.

While i am with those that do not believe in drafting RBs in the first round - just for the sake of drafting one- that's how you end up with..
- Chiefs drafted Clyde Edwards Helaire in first rd. There's nuthin' special about him
- Ditto with Steelers with Najee Harris

- But If RBs were dime a dozen - every team would have a Tony Pollard,.. if you get lucky to get a Henry, a Taylor,..
. if you discover a Nick Chubb or Alvin Kamara, you lock them up contractually for years to come.

- Here's the 2nd big thing.- you have to know your RBs skill set and design your offense to them accordingly ..and you cannot overexpose to relentless pounding wear and tear like some
HCs do (please see Jason Garrett) ..

Here are the current top 10 RBs statistically in the NFL and round they were drafted:

1. Derrick Henry- TN- 2nd round.
2. Saquon Barkley-NYG- 1st round
3. Josh Jacobs- LV- 1st round
4. Nick Chubb- Cle- 2nd round
5. Dalvin Cook- MIN- 2nd round
6. Dameon Pierce-HOU- 4th round
7. Aaron Jones- GB- 5th round
8. Miles Sanders- PHI- 2nd round
9. Travis Etienne- JAX- 1st round
10. Tony Pollard- DAL- 4th round

Only 3 of the top 10 were first round picks. Four were 2nd rounders and 3 were 4th or 5th rounders.

 

[blueblood70]

Did we know Pollard was going to be as good ..as explosively impact as he is now coming out of Memphis St. ? .. Nope.
If that was such the case, he would've been drafed far much higher than the 4th round.

Difference is now ...because of his frequent feats of explosiveness on this very Cowboys team - we know or sure now what he can do, what he is capable of .
We dunno what we're getting in the NFL draft, ..I'm sure a dozen upon dozen of NFL teams have tried to pick out those really good backs later in the draft, and came up
with JAGs.

While i am with those that do not believe in drafting RBs in the first round - just for the sake of drafting one- that's how you end up with..
- Chiefs drafted Clyde Edwards Helaire in first rd. There's nuthin' special about him
- Ditto with Steelers with Najee Harris

- But If RBs were dime a dozen - every team would have a Tony Pollard,.. if you get lucky to get a Henry, a Taylor,..
. if you discover a Nick Chubb or Alvin Kamara, you lock them up contractually for years to come.

- Here's the 2nd big thing.- you have to know your RBs skill set and design your offense to them accordingly ..and you cannot overexpose to relentless pounding wear and tear like some
HCs do (please see Jason Garrett) ..

yet this PLACE has said "Do NOT pay a rb a 2nd contract for any significant money" because you can replace them easily. Look at all the retreads like Fournette, Foreman and others having success.

I like pollard but be consistent zekes contract is talked about 24-7, YET, he earned it regardless of what hes doing now, he was 2 time rushing champion with a championship pedigree in college and nearly had 3 rushing crowns in row , heled the league in about every category for is first 3 seasons.

Now you are trying to make case to pay pollard, who is showing special talent, to be paid a 2nd contract. ?? this place is so hypocritical, its hard to take anyone seriously.

I am not the Gm nor would be unhappy either way they went, however we could see both of our Rbs gone, and Malik Davis and draft picks could be good enough to not have a big drop off. I already see this in Malik , we saw it with Pollard with gradual glimpses of positive plays that led to his current status,

Pollards earned a deal but how much $$?? according to this place, NOT MUCH..

top 5 rb money is what right now?

 

[blueblood70]

so why dont we see those Pollard type explosive plays every week from the Pats, Bucs, Packers, and on and on.

Pollard has shown what he is worth to this team. By releasing Zeke, we can pay pollard.

yet this PLACE has said "Do NOT pay a rb a 2nd contract for any significant money" because you can replace them easily. Look at all the retreads like Fournette, Foreman and others having success. Late round Rbs having success including pollard, why pay pollard if zekes deal was a mistake.

Hypocritical responses are piling up here.

I like Pollard but just making sure those in this debate remember what they have been saying..

 

[doomsday9084]

It should be kept in mind that Zeke got his deal at the absolute worst time. Todd Gurley had just got a ridiculous contract. There were other people working on big contracts, like Leveon Bell. These contracts really blew the scale and all the teams almost immediately regretted them.

If Pollard got 3/30 or something without the stupid guaranteed money that Zeke got, it would be fine. Pollard is a speed guy and as soon as he slows down, his effectiveness will go in the toilet. Better be able to cut him.

The general issue is if there is some team out there willing to give Pollard stupid money. If so, that's where the problems start. If we start talking about 4/50 with lots of guarantees then you have to move on.

Personally, I don't think that Pollard will be easily replaceable. If that was the case, every team in the league would have a Pollard and they don't.

 

[Silver Surfer]

It was 9.5 this year, can’t see it jumping 3.5 in just one season!

You sound like my (ex) accountant.

 

[mattjames2010]

Spin it however you prefer.
Normally battling injuries, Murray had a superlative and healthy 2014 season (biggest single season team record for rushing yards) that the Cowboys did not think he could keep up the level - again in the teams' eyes as a one year wonder- and for whatever reason they did not think he was a special back.
They thought of him as a serviceable workhorse,.. nuthin more.

Coincidentally this was the very same Cowboys team that dare thought Joseph Randle could be a featured back.
Go figure.

I'm countering your take about Murray not equaling his 1,800 yard rushing season. I mean, he wasn't freakin' Barry Sanders.

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

Hell no!!

they blew it. 3.5 years wasted of pollard.

but you can’t bust the script. Never pay backs big money.

You pay Pollard, the best weapon on this team.

 

[stiletto]

You pay Pollard, the best weapon on this team.

We have to pay a lot of players (Micah, Diggs), Pollard is going to get an insane amount of money from a team like the Jaguars that we won't be able to match.