Cowboys have some interest in CB Casey Hayward - Signed with SD

[StarBoyz83]

We are going to have the exact same secondary. Learn it, like it.....love it!

Same secondary + same lb core + worse dline = no bueno

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Same secondary + same lb core + worse dline = no bueno

I wouldn't bring the exact same core of players but you have to factor in a few things....

Scandrick will be back.
Lawrence and Gregory SHOULD be better.
Crawford SHOULD be better.
I can't stress how much better Thornton is than Hayden.
Byron Jones should be better.

You bring in a Ramsey or a Jack.....the defense will be better. Just how much better is the question.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I wouldn't bring the exact same core of players but you have to factor in a few things....

Scandrick will be back.
Lawrence and Gregory SHOULD be better.
Crawford SHOULD be better.
I can't stress how much better Thornton is than Hayden.
Byron Jones should be better.

You bring in a Ramsey or a Jack.....the defense will be better. Just how much better is the question.

Who knows what Scandrick we get back after his injury. (plus, he was never an int machine)

 

[Daillest88]

I wouldn't bring the exact same core of players but you have to factor in a few things....

Scandrick will be back.
Lawrence and Gregory SHOULD be better.
Crawford SHOULD be better.
I can't stress how much better Thornton is than Hayden.
Byron Jones should be better.

You bring in a Ramsey or a Jack.....the defense will be better. Just how much better is the question.

That's the positive. Our line is young and haven't reached there prime yet.. Our safety's will be better with Jones back there full time. Having scandrick backand Thornton is huge!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Who knows what Scandrick we get back after his injury. (plus, he was never an int machine)

Well I mean Scandrick is a solid corner. He may have some rust. But he will be better than what we threw out there in Corey White and Patmon i'd like to think.

We don't need him to get picks. In the slot...chances of those are slim anyway. We just need him to stay in front of his guy. The turnovers will have to come from the defensive line and how good or bad they are.

 

[Daillest88]

Who knows what Scandrick we get back after his injury. (plus, he was never an int machine)

Not many corners are.. The fact is they don't throw at him much in the nickel

 

[StarBoyz83]

I wouldn't bring the exact same core of players but you have to factor in a few things....

Scandrick will be back.
Lawrence and Gregory SHOULD be better.
Crawford SHOULD be better.
I can't stress how much better Thornton is than Hayden.
Byron Jones should be better.

You bring in a Ramsey or a Jack.....the defense will be better. Just how much better is the question.

Don't see much hope there.
Gregory is basically a rookie and suspended 4 games
Dlaw has had about 5 good games over 2 years and has a bad back Injury
Crawford is about average and has a bad shoulder
No DE on the other side
Thornton should be better than hay den at the run.

2 Injury prone linebackers as starters.
Can't expect a rookie to do much their 1st year.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That's the positive. Our line is young and haven't reached there prime yet.. Our safety's will be better with Jones back there full time. Having scandrick backand Thornton is huge!

I agree. Like I said, I wouldn't bring the same exact defense back.....i'd try to add a few vets to it especially on the defensive line BUT I wouldn't be so sure to assume that these players won't progress. It happens very year. You get more out of players that you didn't expect. I don't know which ones it will be but I do think Crawford, Lawrence, Jones and Gregory will be better than they were last season. And if that's the case the defense as a whole will be better.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Don't see much hope there.
Gregory is basically a rookie and suspended 4 games
Dlaw has had about 5 good games over 2 years and has a bad back Injury
Crawford is about average and has a bad shoulder
No DE on the other side
Thornton should be better than hay den at the run.

2 Injury prone linebackers as starters.

Well we just differ on how we view these guys. You seem to view them as bums. Fair enough. I think Crawford and Lawrence have potential to be better than they were last season. I don' think their ceilings are "average". Whether Gregory will be a "rookie" or not....he will be better than he was last season. Thornton is more than just better agains the run. He's overall a superior player to Hayden. You don't have to worry about guys running him over or Hayden being back peddled on skates.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Not many corners are.. The fact is they don't throw at him much in the nickel

He gets thrown at. He isn't Deion. (teams stayed away from)

 

[Daillest88]

He gets thrown at. He isn't Deion. (teams stayed away from)

I didn't say he was deion.. I said he doesn't get thrown at much. He's an above average corner

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I didn't say he was deion.. I said he doesn't get thrown at much. He's an above average corner

(Deion was the player that teams didn't throw to at his side much) Scandrick, he gets thrown at, teams don't shy away from him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I didn't say he was deion.. I said he doesn't get thrown at much. He's an above average corner

I don't recall too many testing him either. Not saying its because of skill....for all I know they may like to attack our other corners but Scandrick doesn't get tested too much while he's guarding slot receivers.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I don't recall too many testing him either. Not saying its because of skill....for all I know they may like to attack our other corners but Scandrick doesn't get tested too much while he's guarding slot receivers.

I see it. And yes, I watch the games. Maybe teams have other wr's they want to expoit, thus it may seem he wasn't tested.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Who knows what Scandrick we get back after his injury. (plus, he was never an int machine)

Its 2016 not 1988. Everybody is coming back from injury looking the same these days.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

(Deion was the player that teams didn't throw to at his side much) Scandrick, he gets thrown at, teams don't shy away from him.

He's not totally wrong though. According to this chart he's one of the least targeted corners in the league......


http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/best-cornerback-stats-2014

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I see it. And yes, I watch the games. Maybe teams have other wr's they want to expoit, thus it may seem he wasn't tested.

So that means he wasn't targeted much right?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Its 2016 not 1988. Everybody is coming back from injury looking the same these days.

I was going to agree with him until I saw Scandrick's age......he's not even 30 yet. Why does it feel like he's been here forever? He must've got drafted extremely young. Like 19 or 20. I'd be shocked if he doesn't come back to form.

 

[Daillest88]

Its 2016 not 1988. Everybody is coming back from injury looking the same these days.

True.. He's already running and we still have 6 months till the season starts

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Well we just differ on how we view these guys. You seem to view them as bums. Fair enough. I think Crawford and Lawrence have potential to be better than they were last season. I don' think their ceilings are "average". Whether Gregory will be a "rookie" or not....he will be better than he was last season. Thornton is more than just better agains the run. He's overall a superior player to Hayden. You don't have to worry about guys running him over or Hayden being back peddled on skates.

People tend to forget that Philly had one of the best DL in football especially against the run. ....Thornton was a huge part of that