In my post I specifically said bomb balls, not deep balls that the stats consider 20 yards. Sure, Dak can do those to Cee Dee and the TEs but Wilson was doing both and to his wideouts. Dak does not have a touch deep like Wilson or Rodgers had in their heyday. It's an excellent weapon for comebacks and kill shots and we just don't have that threat.
Great stuff.. thanks for the link I thoroughly enjoyed watching those highlights again.. That said, of the 4 TD passes only 2 were deep balls. The seam to Novacek and the post to Irvin were dimes but neither traveled more than 20-25 yards downfield. That aint no deep ball. Dimes yes, deep ball no. The one to Harp was a beauty but the one to Irvin he had his man beat to the outside and if Troy leads him upfield he strides into the end zone untouched. Only the underthrow allowed the defenders to become part of the play. But Troy himself stated years ago that his goal on the long ball was to put it up where the receiver can go make a play moreso than trying to drop a dime. Troy had a strong enough arm that he could overthrow guys if he wasn't careful. So he always tried to put it up there and let the receiver adjust.
I would agree that Dak isnt a great deep ball arm, his deep balls are typically high hangers where the receiver makes a play on the ball. Where Dak is so good on the deep ball is he is smart with his throws. Hes very good at finding good deep matchups to go to, he doesnt force those throws against deep safeties, etc. He has one of the higher completion percentages on deep balls and one of the lowest turnover percentages. What he lacks in arm talent he does make up for in simply being a veteran presence. Very low odds that he would complete a pass like Carr did splitting the safeties on Sunday though.
So what's the line of demarcation? 25 yards? 30? I honestly don't know. They used to break it out by distance on their splits but those are getting harder and harder to find these days unless you go to the pay sites.
Disagree on the throws to Irvin and Harper. Both were slightly underthrown.
I admitted the 2nd one to Irvin was slightly underground and was more 88 than 8
Moss may grow on trees, but Randy Moss doesn't you know? If we are going to have Turpin on the roster, maybe figure out how to use him to stretch the defense?
That was Eli manning forte....he couldn't throw dimes. He did heave it so his awesome receivers could locate it and make a play.
Yep remember the longball completion to Deion in the Pittsburgh Super Bowl? Deion had his man beat to the post but Troy left it a little behind him so he had to slow up to make the catch which enabled the DB to get there and tackle Deion at like the 2 yard line. A better throw and that's six. But then I enjoyed watching Emmitt and the biguns power it in anyway! I think if Larry Allen doesn't roll up on his leg in that first Emmitt would have gone off against the Steelers that day. I think he played the entire second half on one leg. Damn I miss that guy! That's why the offense went stagnant in the second half of that game.. but there was no way they were getting Emmitt out of that game.. which I totally understand.. as long as we had a double digit lead you let him finish with his boots on.
Emmitt and witten...my two favorite tough guy players on "skill position" offense.
It's so weird. It's like dak cult doesn't watch any other football but dak.
Even if they sent Turpin deep 8-10 times a game, he would drop most of those passes. The guy has below average WR hands.
Might be but I guarantee you if he's running free behind the DBs 4-5 times a game it will get the defense's attention. Also his drops appear to come on the over middle stuff where I think frankly he's focusing more on trying to not git kilt than catching the ball. I think on the deep stuff he'd be fine. At least I'd like to find out.
DDS...BIG TIME!!!
DDS x 2...BIG TIME!!!
I consider a ball thrown perfectly if a receiver can catch it without breaking stride. And neither Novacek nor Harper had to adjust speed or stride to catch those passes
Novacek reached back and caught the football on his back shoulder, not forward. Same for Harper. Look at their torso and shoulders. Their torsos are aiming forward in the direction they are running while their shoulders are opened up twisted backwards to make sure to catch those slightly underthrown passes. Same for Irvin (pictures not shown).
It's fine if we disagree. Dak usually has a fine pass. But sometimes....to me...it looks...odd.
