Cowboys lack deep speed at WR

[MikeT22]

You guys judge THIS QB, but you refuse to judge the other Top 15 overpaid QBs. It's always a double standard when it comes to Dak.

How many of those other 15 QBs are the highest paid in the league?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Exactly who I wanted to talk about, good post. What attribute does Jalen Brooks bring to the WR room running a 4.6 w/ a average frame? TBilly brings a speed element and is a threat. Time for the Cowboys to stop the nonsense. Get Flournoy active on Sunday and get Johnson back on the team or even get Cropper on the 53.

Agreed!!!

 

[America's Cowboy]

How many of those other 15 QBs are the highest paid in the league?

They are all right below him.

 

[RonnieT24]

I know you're being tongue-in-cheek but you're right. As I've said around here for years, Dak is not a great bomb ball thrower. Carr hit his man almost in stride for his bomb. Dak's longest ball in the air Sunday was an underthrow that Tolbert bailed him out with after having a step on the DB and could have been a TD. For overthrows, I remember last year against Buffalo, we were down 7-0 on the road and had a golden chance to snatch momentum back but Dak overthrew a wide open Cooks who had maybe a step and a half on his DB. Not only that, but Dak had like 7 yards of cushion in the pocket and still missed him. Having bomb ball ability is an excellent weapon to have to put a team away or mount a comeback. We just don't have it with him. Not "deep balls" that the stats say is 20 yards, I'm talking bombs like Carr's Sunday. Can't have it all but I'd like my QB to have it or just pack it in when you trail by multiple scores or hope your defense can get a turnover.

While you are correct in principle the numbers have shown over the years that Dak is among the best in the game at deep balls. I think for a two or three year stretch he alternated with Russell Wilson for the top spot. I do think there has been some dropoff in that department the last two years but my sense is that is at least partially because the huge disparity in speed among his receivers. Back in the Cooper, CeeDee, Gallup days (back when Dak was #1 or #2 in the league) the guys were all pretty much the same speed within a step or two. All basically 4.4 to 4.5 guys. Fast forward to now you have Turpin who is a legit sub 4.3 guy, Cooks who is sub 4.4, CeeDee and Tolbert your basic 4.5 guys and so on. What that means is that if they all run for 5 seconds Turpin and Cooks might be 5 yards ahead of CeeDee and Tolbert. So the same ball that would be underthrown to Turpin or Cooks would be overthrown to CeeDee or Tolbert. Before anybody interprets this as an "excuse." It absolutely is not.. Dak needs to get this fixed yesterday.. I am merely analyzing reasons for what we have seen the last couple of years. We know Dak is not the most natural thrower of the football the league has ever seen so mechanics and footwork are more important to him than some of the "arm talent" wonder boys. The same applies to the longball.. The good news is over the years we've seen Dak figure stuff like that out as the season wears on and most of the complaints we have early in the season go by the wayside.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I think the problem is the Cowboys don't have any real threats at WR in general. They have CeeDee and that's it. Cooks is small and it limits the routes he can run. He is not that fast anymore. Turpin is faster but unreliable as a receiver. Tolbert and Brooks are JAGs and that is being generous. I like Tolbert because he hustles but at the end of the day we need production.

But yes, I have ben clamoring for a speed guy at WR for years. It is necessarily about production. Having a guy who can take the top off a defense helps the running game too.

Exactly!!!

 

[MikeT22]

They are all right below him.

So your answer is “none”

 

[America's Cowboy]

His footwork is fine when there aren't bodies all around him like Sunday. We know he doesn't have an all-world arm so he needs for his feet, hips and shoulders to be right to make good throws. Pass rush pressures disrupt all of that. That's why DEs make all that money.

So true, RonnieT!

 

[America's Cowboy]

So your answer is “none”

No. My answer simply kills your agenda. lol

 

[MyFairLady]

Turpin is more than fast enough we just don't use him

Turpin is a tiny baby. The Saints treated him like a child.

 

[BoysForLife]

How fast is Tolbert? If we get anyone faster than him I hope the guy has enough speed to get back to the underthrown balls....

 

[Diehardblues]

We need playmaker on every level. Zeke is our best back

Which is sad. We basically don’t have a running game .

 

[Shane612]

Cowboys WRs are plenty fast enough.
WRs don’t have to run 4.3 40 to be effective going deep.
Michael Irving or Drew Pearson weren’t speedy by NFL standard. Yet, they did fine going deep.
There are other factors….such as blocking, running good routes…arm strength… to mention a few.

 

[RonnieT24]

Cowboys WRs are plenty fast enough.
WRs don’t have to run 4.3 40 to be effective going deep.
Michael Irving or Drew Pearson weren’t speedy by NFL standard. Yet, they did fine going deep.
There are other factors….such as blocking, running good routes…arm strength… to mention a few.

There is no G in that man's name.. Put some respect on Mike's name man!

 

[BoysForLife]

Cowboys WRs are plenty fast enough.
WRs don’t have to run 4.3 40 to be effective going deep.
Michael Irving or Drew Pearson weren’t speedy by NFL standard. Yet, they did fine going deep.
There are other factors….such as blocking, running good routes…arm strength… to mention a few.

They also both had qbs that could drop dimes deep

 

[Shane612]

They also both had qbs that could drop dimes deep

Don’t say that too loud.

 

[RonnieT24]

They also both had qbs that could drop dimes deep

Maybe true in the case of Pearson but Troy was terrible at throwing the deep ball. Why do you think we have all those highlights of Michael Irvin and Alvin Harper making acrobatic catches on underthrown balls? The only time I can recall Troy dropping a dime on a deep ball was that OT game winner in the '99 season opener to Rocket. And that was just your basic heave it out there and let him go git it. I'm sure there were others but that's the only one I can remember off the top of my head. But I remember a TON of the jump ball variety. There were three in that first Super Bowl win alone.

 

[diamonddelts]

The Cowboys QB1 and QB2 do not have the arm strength to throw accurate, deep throws down the field. A speedy WR's role would be severely limited in Dallas.

 

[BoysForLife]

Maybe true in the case of Pearson but Troy was terrible at throwing the deep ball. Why do you think we have all those highlights of Michael Irvin and Alvin Harper making acrobatic catches on underthrown balls? The only time I can recall Troy dropping a dime on a deep ball was that OT game winner in the '99 season opener to Rocket. And that was just your basic heave it out there and let him go git it. I'm sure there were others but that's the only one I can remember off the top of my head. But I remember a TON of the jump ball variety. There were three in that first Super Bowl win alone.

https://www.dallascowboys.com/video/nfl-top-50-super-bowl-performances-troy-aikman-27-398251

Everyone of these TD passes from Super Bowl XXVII was an absolute dime with the possible exception of the goal line catch by Irvin, slight underthrow and 88 used his body perfectly to make the catch

But the first pass to Irvin, a strike in the chest.

The seam to Jay, absolute dime, never broke stride.

Same with the pass to Harper

perfect placement, Harper could have closed his eyes and held out his hands and that's a td

We can agree to disagree but what you said here is simply not true. All due respect

 

[Cowboys93]

Dallas desperately needs more speed on both sides of the ball. How are we lacking both speed and physicality? Not sure what we’re even good at at times. I would be more than happy to see Dallas go all in on a draft getting guys that can at least take the top off at WR/RB and on the back end of the defense

 

[DUO_CORE]

So one poster says Dak overthrows his receivers. While another says Dak underthrows his receivers. Which is it?

On defense, we have DeMarvion Overshown, and on offense, we have Dakota Overthrown.