CFZ Cowboys Linebackers Unit - Any concerns?

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Linebackers - i think our LB unit will be spearheaded by 3 players- LVE, Clark and Overshown, imo.
But there are some questions and concerns about this LB unit, imo too. It only has 1 true experienced vet in Vander Esch.
And there's a ton of inexperience that could be our weakness at LB all said and done.
With Parsons being more DE than LB, can he truly be noted as a true LB ?

- When healthy and at top of his game, LVE can be solid, at the least serviceable. He's just not a big play turnover or sack guy
or a Sean Lee clone like i'd hope he'd be.
But he's decent enuff - until we get that stud LB. But what if he gets hurt ??.. which he has had a history of.
He's missed much, ..not that LVE is that good, but more so cuz our LB depth has always been so very weak & suspect. IF LVE , who is key backup ?

Damone Clark was a rookie in NFL learning mode- lost in coverage breakdowns. but he had zero camp summer and was activated after handful of NFL games
But he was supposedly a finalist at LSU, for the Dick Butkus award for best LB in college football.
Because of that alone, he's worth the watch and wait after a full offseason program and full camp.

Demarvion Overshown will be another watch and wait, i just don't expect a lot from him early on, as he continues to learn LB role, plus adjusts to NFL level,
as well as Quinn's system. Special teams i expect he'll be a big contributor. Hopeful he becomes a Deion Jones, Kwon Alexander type.
I'd like to see him form tackle better,

Devin Harper - they liked him a lot a a late round pick, but an achilles tendon tear ended his year- and i'm concerned that he may not recover fully
from that kind of injury.

Jabril Cox ? rookie year only 8 snaps before his ACL, - because coaches did not trust him,..'23 ? virtually spent entire year on Inactive game day list.
Why ? Coaches apparently do not trust him. Not even thought out as special teams help.
So what real experience and skill set does he have to offer and expect ?

Isiah Ward was a undrafted player that collected an astounding 19 sacks in one season in college. Despite those numbers, he was even drafted.
Perhaps because of his 210 pound body for an edge rusher and playing in an inferior smaller college..
Either he will be a rush specialist on long pass downs.. or he will be converted to an off ball LB, who will still rush passer ..a lot.!!
Ala Hasson Riddick.

Take it for what it is worth, but currently he's supposedly bulked up from 215 lbs. ..to a " listed" 236 pounds.

 

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Linebackers - i think our LB unit will be spearheaded by 3 players- LVE, Clark and Overshown, imo.
But there are some questions and concerns about this LB unit, imo too. It only has 1 true experienced vet in Vander Esch.
And there's a ton of inexperience that could be our weakness at LB all said and done.
With Parsons being more DE than LB, can he truly be noted as a true LB ?

- When healthy and at top of his game, LVE can be solid, at the least serviceable. He's just not a big play turnover or sack guy
or a Sean Lee clone like i'd hope he'd be.
But he's decent enuff - until we get that stud LB. But what if he gets hurt ??.. which he has had a history of.
He's missed much, ..not that LVE is that good, but more so cuz our LB depth has always been so very weak & suspect. IF LVE , who is key backup ?

Damone Clark was a rookie in NFL learning mode- lost in coverage breakdowns. but he had zero camp summer and was activated after handful of NFL games
But he was supposedly a finalist at LSU, for the Dick Butkus award for best LB in college football.
Because of that alone, he's worth the watch and wait after a full offseason program and full camp.

Demarvion Overshown will be another watch and wait, i just don't expect a lot from him early on, as he continues to learn LB role, plus adjusts to NFL level,
as well as Quinn's system. Special teams i expect he'll be a big contributor. Hopeful he becomes a Deion Jones, Kwon Alexander type.
I'd like to see him form tackle better,

Devin Harper - they liked him a lot a a late round pick, but an achilles tendon tear ended his year- and i'm concerned that he may not recover fully
from that kind of injury.

Jabril Cox ? rookie year only 8 snaps before his ACL, - because coaches did not trust him,..'23 ? virtually spent entire year on Inactive game day list.
Why ? Coaches apparently do not trust him. Not even thought out as special teams help.
So what real experience and skill set does he have to offer and expect ?

Isiah Ward was a undrafted player that collected an astounding 19 sacks in one season in college. Despite those numbers, he was even drafted.
Perhaps because of his 210 pound body for an edge rusher and playing in an inferior smaller college..
Either he will be a rush specialist on long pass downs.. or he will be converted to an off ball LB, who will still rush passer ..a lot.!!
Ala Hasson Riddick.

Take it for what it is worth, but currently he's supposedly bulked up from 215 lbs. ..to a " listed" 236 pounds.

Probably the weakest unit on the defense even if you include Micah. LVE is a solid pro but is injury prone. Clark was below average and was benched in the playoffs. Overshown is a 3rd round pick. I am concerned.
 

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Linebackers - i think our LB unit will be spearheaded by 3 players- LVE, Clark and Overshown, imo.
But there are some questions and concerns about this LB unit, imo too. It only has 1 true experienced vet in Vander Esch.
And there's a ton of inexperience that could be our weakness at LB all said and done.
With Parsons being more DE than LB, can he truly be noted as a true LB ?

- When healthy and at top of his game, LVE can be solid, at the least serviceable. He's just not a big play turnover or sack guy
or a Sean Lee clone like i'd hope he'd be.
But he's decent enuff - until we get that stud LB. But what if he gets hurt ??.. which he has had a history of.
He's missed much, ..not that LVE is that good, but more so cuz our LB depth has always been so very weak & suspect. IF LVE , who is key backup ?

Damone Clark was a rookie in NFL learning mode- lost in coverage breakdowns. but he had zero camp summer and was activated after handful of NFL games
But he was supposedly a finalist at LSU, for the Dick Butkus award for best LB in college football.
Because of that alone, he's worth the watch and wait after a full offseason program and full camp.

Demarvion Overshown will be another watch and wait, i just don't expect a lot from him early on, as he continues to learn LB role, plus adjusts to NFL level,
as well as Quinn's system. Special teams i expect he'll be a big contributor. Hopeful he becomes a Deion Jones, Kwon Alexander type.
I'd like to see him form tackle better,

Devin Harper - they liked him a lot a a late round pick, but an achilles tendon tear ended his year- and i'm concerned that he may not recover fully
from that kind of injury.

Jabril Cox ? rookie year only 8 snaps before his ACL, - because coaches did not trust him,..'23 ? virtually spent entire year on Inactive game day list.
Why ? Coaches apparently do not trust him. Not even thought out as special teams help.
So what real experience and skill set does he have to offer and expect ?

Isiah Ward was a undrafted player that collected an astounding 19 sacks in one season in college. Despite those numbers, he was even drafted.
Perhaps because of his 210 pound body for an edge rusher and playing in an inferior smaller college..
Either he will be a rush specialist on long pass downs.. or he will be converted to an off ball LB, who will still rush passer ..a lot.!!
Ala Hasson Riddick.

Take it for what it is worth, but currently he's supposedly bulked up from 215 lbs. ..to a " listed" 236 pounds.

Where's the evidence Cowboys coaches don't trust Jabril Cox?
 

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Of course it’ll be spearheaded by those 3. There is basically nobody else on the entire roster. Cox barely counts and nobody else is worth even naming.
 

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Linebackers - i think our LB unit will be spearheaded by 3 players- LVE, Clark and Overshown, imo.
But there are some questions and concerns about this LB unit, imo too. It only has 1 true experienced vet in Vander Esch.
And there's a ton of inexperience that could be our weakness at LB all said and done.
With Parsons being more DE than LB, can he truly be noted as a true LB ?

- When healthy and at top of his game, LVE can be solid, at the least serviceable. He's just not a big play turnover or sack guy
or a Sean Lee clone like i'd hope he'd be.
But he's decent enuff - until we get that stud LB. But what if he gets hurt ??.. which he has had a history of.
He's missed much, ..not that LVE is that good, but more so cuz our LB depth has always been so very weak & suspect. IF LVE , who is key backup ?

Damone Clark was a rookie in NFL learning mode- lost in coverage breakdowns. but he had zero camp summer and was activated after handful of NFL games
But he was supposedly a finalist at LSU, for the Dick Butkus award for best LB in college football.
Because of that alone, he's worth the watch and wait after a full offseason program and full camp.

Demarvion Overshown will be another watch and wait, i just don't expect a lot from him early on, as he continues to learn LB role, plus adjusts to NFL level,
as well as Quinn's system. Special teams i expect he'll be a big contributor. Hopeful he becomes a Deion Jones, Kwon Alexander type.
I'd like to see him form tackle better,

Devin Harper - they liked him a lot a a late round pick, but an achilles tendon tear ended his year- and i'm concerned that he may not recover fully
from that kind of injury.

Jabril Cox ? rookie year only 8 snaps before his ACL, - because coaches did not trust him,..'23 ? virtually spent entire year on Inactive game day list.
Why ? Coaches apparently do not trust him. Not even thought out as special teams help.
So what real experience and skill set does he have to offer and expect ?

Isiah Ward was a undrafted player that collected an astounding 19 sacks in one season in college. Despite those numbers, he was even drafted.
Perhaps because of his 210 pound body for an edge rusher and playing in an inferior smaller college..
Either he will be a rush specialist on long pass downs.. or he will be converted to an off ball LB, who will still rush passer ..a lot.!!
Ala Hasson Riddick.

Take it for what it is worth, but currently he's supposedly bulked up from 215 lbs. ..to a " listed" 236 pounds.

Been my concern since they resigned LVE - would rather have had Wagner.

Yes they obviously have to sign a vet, but even then still be in big trouble if LVE goes down (a real possibility) and the guy plays like Barr.

Personally I think this years LB position is like last years WR group...
 

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Been my concern since they resigned LVE - would rather have had Wagner.

Yes they obviously have to sign a vet, but even then still be in big trouble if LVE goes down (a real possibility) and the guy plays like Barr.

Personally I think this years LB position is like last years WR group...
If Wagner had been signed, the cap would be a bit thin right now.
 

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Might be worth it tho, just 6 more million for Wagner per year basically.
It is pressing the limits of how this team is getting it's own character and present leadership. Interesting as to the linebackers having to prove they deserve the current opportunities.
 

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Linebackers - i think our LB unit will be spearheaded by 3 players- LVE, Clark and Overshown, imo.
But there are some questions and concerns about this LB unit, imo too. It only has 1 true experienced vet in Vander Esch.
And there's a ton of inexperience that could be our weakness at LB all said and done.
With Parsons being more DE than LB, can he truly be noted as a true LB ?

- When healthy and at top of his game, LVE can be solid, at the least serviceable. He's just not a big play turnover or sack guy
or a Sean Lee clone like i'd hope he'd be.
But he's decent enuff - until we get that stud LB. But what if he gets hurt ??.. which he has had a history of.
He's missed much, ..not that LVE is that good, but more so cuz our LB depth has always been so very weak & suspect. IF LVE , who is key backup ?

Damone Clark was a rookie in NFL learning mode- lost in coverage breakdowns. but he had zero camp summer and was activated after handful of NFL games
But he was supposedly a finalist at LSU, for the Dick Butkus award for best LB in college football.
Because of that alone, he's worth the watch and wait after a full offseason program and full camp.

Demarvion Overshown will be another watch and wait, i just don't expect a lot from him early on, as he continues to learn LB role, plus adjusts to NFL level,
as well as Quinn's system. Special teams i expect he'll be a big contributor. Hopeful he becomes a Deion Jones, Kwon Alexander type.
I'd like to see him form tackle better,

Devin Harper - they liked him a lot a a late round pick, but an achilles tendon tear ended his year- and i'm concerned that he may not recover fully
from that kind of injury.

Jabril Cox ? rookie year only 8 snaps before his ACL, - because coaches did not trust him,..'23 ? virtually spent entire year on Inactive game day list.
Why ? Coaches apparently do not trust him. Not even thought out as special teams help.
So what real experience and skill set does he have to offer and expect ?

Isiah Ward was a undrafted player that collected an astounding 19 sacks in one season in college. Despite those numbers, he was even drafted.
Perhaps because of his 210 pound body for an edge rusher and playing in an inferior smaller college..
Either he will be a rush specialist on long pass downs.. or he will be converted to an off ball LB, who will still rush passer ..a lot.!!
Ala Hasson Riddick.

Take it for what it is worth, but currently he's supposedly bulked up from 215 lbs. ..to a " listed" 236 pounds.

yes, concern is lack of experience. Cox is a wasted 4th round pick.
 

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Linebackers - i think our LB unit will be spearheaded by 3 players- LVE, Clark and Overshown, imo.
But there are some questions and concerns about this LB unit, imo too. It only has 1 true experienced vet in Vander Esch.
And there's a ton of inexperience that could be our weakness at LB all said and done.
With Parsons being more DE than LB, can he truly be noted as a true LB ?

- When healthy and at top of his game, LVE can be solid, at the least serviceable. He's just not a big play turnover or sack guy
or a Sean Lee clone like i'd hope he'd be.
But he's decent enuff - until we get that stud LB. But what if he gets hurt ??.. which he has had a history of.
He's missed much, ..not that LVE is that good, but more so cuz our LB depth has always been so very weak & suspect. IF LVE , who is key backup ?

Damone Clark was a rookie in NFL learning mode- lost in coverage breakdowns. but he had zero camp summer and was activated after handful of NFL games
But he was supposedly a finalist at LSU, for the Dick Butkus award for best LB in college football.
Because of that alone, he's worth the watch and wait after a full offseason program and full camp.

Demarvion Overshown will be another watch and wait, i just don't expect a lot from him early on, as he continues to learn LB role, plus adjusts to NFL level,
as well as Quinn's system. Special teams i expect he'll be a big contributor. Hopeful he becomes a Deion Jones, Kwon Alexander type.
I'd like to see him form tackle better,

Devin Harper - they liked him a lot a a late round pick, but an achilles tendon tear ended his year- and i'm concerned that he may not recover fully
from that kind of injury.

Jabril Cox ? rookie year only 8 snaps before his ACL, - because coaches did not trust him,..'23 ? virtually spent entire year on Inactive game day list.
Why ? Coaches apparently do not trust him. Not even thought out as special teams help.
So what real experience and skill set does he have to offer and expect ?

Isiah Ward was a undrafted player that collected an astounding 19 sacks in one season in college. Despite those numbers, he was even drafted.
Perhaps because of his 210 pound body for an edge rusher and playing in an inferior smaller college..
Either he will be a rush specialist on long pass downs.. or he will be converted to an off ball LB, who will still rush passer ..a lot.!!
Ala Hasson Riddick.

Take it for what it is worth, but currently he's supposedly bulked up from 215 lbs. ..to a " listed" 236 pounds.

This is the weakest group in our D , unless light bulb goes off to Clarke and One of the marginal ones like Cox, Harper and the new one Overshawn shines.
The FO and Coaches should look Into the FAs and find a stop gap type of player who can fill in starting role and be a mentor to the younger ones.
 

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Ask Q if he thinks our LB room is weak.
I bet he laughs first before answering.
lol... oh c'mon, ... what kind of coaches admits weaknesses ?

What would his own players think of him ...and of themselves hearing that outright from his own coaches, if he confesses that in front of the media ? ....
 

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This is the weakest group in our D , unless light bulb goes off to Clarke and One of the marginal ones like Cox, Harper and the new one Overshawn shines.
The FO and Coaches should look Into the FAs and find a stop gap type of player who can fill in starting role and be a mentor to the younger ones.
That mentor for the younger players should have been Bobby Wagner ... but that ship past by and what's done is done.

And to me, it depends upon the veteran LB that would be a mentor.

Example - Malik Jefferson is a veteran LB, who was once a regarded draft prospect,, .but now he's resorted to being somewhat
of a journeyman on various NFL teams' practice squads. .. dunno what kind of example of influence or inspiration one in this kind of position
can give to young players.
 
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