Cowboys & Marty Ball

[Verdict]

The Cowboys new Offensive Coordinator is Brian Cornelius Schottenheimer.
- Son of Marty...

Marty Ball is a philosophy of football associated with and named after former NFL and UFL head coach Marty Schottenheimer.

In simple terms, it means a focus on the running game, with passing used only to further the running game.

Schottenheimer emphasizes offensive attacks that work as follows:
First down: a rushing play.
Second down: another rushing play.
Third down: a pass attempt.
Fourth down: punt (or field goal, if within range).

Fans (and critics) refer to this scheme as "Run, Run, Pass, Punt" (R2P2). Schottenheimer is considered to be a conservatively-minded coach with a majority of his focus on defense. The term "Marty Ball" is generally considered a pejorative because, at times, Schottenheimer will steadfastly continue to emphasize this form of offensive attack while attempting to hold on to a thin lead or when playing from

Schottenheimer had the Chiefs as perennial contenders in the AFC. They just couldn’t seem to make it all the way to the big game.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Think 2014. Best O this team had in decades. It does requires great line play. So we'll see.

That'd be great. Especially since the defence we now have is significantly better than it was then.

 

[The Fonz]

The Father was great coach the son not so much
several months from now and everyone is calling for his head

 

[baltcowboy]

Scotty job is to make the running game more efficient. We have a 10 million dollar running back who will get the football. A 40 million dollar quarterback that will throw the football to a 2nd team All-Pro receiver. At worst Dak will be the let Russ Cook offense of Seattle back in 2020.

 

[Cowboyny]

We have no idea how this offense is going to look, outside of the fact that we know MM will be the playcaller to start the season. You would think with the additions of Solari/Schott that they will be in charge of fixing the run game to become more efficient, where MM will be fixing their passing attack. We heard that he wants to get rid of all those option routes with some fiction from Dak.

 

[baltcowboy]

We have no idea how this offense is going to look, outside of the fact that we know MM will be the playcaller to start the season. You would think with the additions of Solari/Schott that they will be in charge of fixing the run game to become more efficient, where MM will be fixing their passing attack. We heard that he wants to get rid of all those option routes with some fiction from Dak.

MM is coaching for his job. He trusts Schmitt/Solari to fix the running game’s efficiency. They brought in a speed receiver that has played with two of the best quarterbacks of all time. They drafted a tight end that played 4 years in the Harbough power running game. I think the Cowboys will be a better version of Parcel’s Cowboys with Romo.

 

[Rayman70]

funny, when I read this I thought "who the heck is this Marty Ball guy we signed?

 

[McKDaddy]

Scotty was hated in Seattle(public enemy no 1).i can see Fans turning on him if his run heavy attack doesnt work.I am all for running the ball well but we still need to score a lot of points to keep up with the top teams in the NFL.

It would have worked if they had ever assembled an offensive line not made out of the worst scraps in the league.

They treated OL like we treated the safety position.

 

[MikeB80]

Schottenheimer had the Chiefs as perennial contenders in the AFC. They just couldn’t seem to make it all the way to the big game.

Both his Browns teams and Chiefs teams were excellent. He always had excellent coaches as assitants. No coach sans marv levy has ever had as much heartbreak at the end of playoff games.

Marty is one of the all time greats. To me he is just like Parcells. The game just turned the other way on him. Go look it up he had 4 or 5 crushing playoff losses and they all came at the end of the games.

I will forever think we as fans were robbed of what would have been one of the all time great super bowls in 1986. Cleveland and New York were both very similar and had great players all over the roster. Great players, staffs and fanbases. That would have been an amazing superbowl.

The OP of this thread I do not even think is old enough to have watched marty's teams play tbh and is just regurgitating some nonsense. The truth is Marty had some great offensive coaches on his staffs, Al Saunders, Bruce Arians, Paul Hackett, Mike McCarthy, Howard Mudd, Lindy Infante, Joe pendry etc.

His teams varied from old school power teams and spread it out and throw it all over. Schottenheimer was a great coach.
Assistant coaches who went on to win super bowls under him.

Bill Cowher
Tony Dungy
Bruce Arians
Mike McCarthy



His GM in cleveland went on to build the Giants Super bowl teams of 00, 07 and had a hand in the 11 championship also.

 

[Cowboyny]

MM is coaching for his job. He trusts Schmitt/Solari to fix the running game’s efficiency. They brought in a speed receiver that has played with two of the best quarterbacks of all time. They drafted a tight end that played 4 years in the Harbough power running game. I think the Cowboys will be a better version of Parcel’s Cowboys with Romo.

Really don't have a handle what the offense is going to look like. Based on what they have brought in, you would think he are going to see more heavy/big personnel with Dak playing a lot behind center. However, I don't think MM will handcuff Dak like Parcells did in that playoff game against Seattle. I'm expecting more of a 49er type of offense, still will see some big passing plays, but they will be more off yards after the catch.

 

[MikeB80]

Really don't have a handle what the offense is going to look like. Based on what they have brought in, you would think he are going to see more heavy/big personnel with Dak playing a lot behind center. However, I don't think MM will handcuff Dak like Parcells did in that playoff game against Seattle. I'm expecting more of a 49er type of offense, still will see some big passing plays, but they will be more off yards after the catch.

How do you guys still get this wrong. Seattle was dropping 7 all game begging dallas to run.

If jason witten could have actually gained six inches and got a first down they win the game.

 

[blueblood70]

The Cowboys new Offensive Coordinator is Brian Cornelius Schottenheimer.
- Son of Marty...

Marty Ball is a philosophy of football associated with and named after former NFL and UFL head coach Marty Schottenheimer.

In simple terms, it means a focus on the running game, with passing used only to further the running game.

Schottenheimer emphasizes offensive attacks that work as follows:
First down: a rushing play.
Second down: another rushing play.
Third down: a pass attempt.
Fourth down: punt (or field goal, if within range).

Fans (and critics) refer to this scheme as "Run, Run, Pass, Punt" (R2P2). Schottenheimer is considered to be a conservatively-minded coach with a majority of his focus on defense. The term "Marty Ball" is generally considered a pejorative because, at times, Schottenheimer will steadfastly continue to emphasize this form of offensive attack while attempting to hold on to a thin lead or when playing from

hes the OC but MM is the play caller, so im sure its not all going to be old Marty ball philosophy, they already stated only about 30% of the offensive plays will be the MM type offense and only the language will change on the rest,. runs sure but also been very open that we go from read and react route running to digits..

this offense isn't just being changed for the run game its also to make the QB-WR relationship ie being on the same page much better another will have to read the same thing and hope they get it right. they all know the play and route as soon as they run up to the line.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Marty ball is what they're already doing.



That's not what McCarthy did in GB. I think the lack of investment at RB coupled with the addition of Cooks means that MM is going to have more say and move to his type of offense, but who knows really. The 2022 offensive philosophy was crippling.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think quantity is the issue. I think timing is.

MM wants to take the game situation into how he calls his offense. Moore was running ti because he was told to. He would run the ball 6 times in a row almost like he was being petulant at times.

 

[stuckindc]

Schottenheimer had the Chiefs as perennial contenders in the AFC. They just couldn’t seem to make it all the way to the big game.

Biner fumbling at the goal line did not help

 

[Pass2Run]

MM has never been a run guy. Everybody is buying all of this nonsense. It won’t happen. BS is the OC in name only. MM is calling plays. It’ll be a pass heavy offense.

Especially with CD Lamb and Brandin Cooks.

For our run to be effective, we have to be able to pass the ball.

 

[nalam]

Be careful what you wish for.....Although Marty was eighth in career wins with 205...never made it to the SB.

Like has been stated above, this offense can derail in the playoffs should you make it there. Sound familiar?

Already that has been the case with KM run offensive schemes, may be it has to do with playoff caliber defenses in the playoffs , LOL.

Still , I would say a conservative approach in the 2nd and 2 at 20 yard line of the opponent would have been better than a slant pass which gets intercepted and point differential happens complete opposite.

 

[CouchCoach]

In all fairness, the run game was still in vogue when that phrase was coined; although, he was more married to the run than most.

There was another one used around the same time, Air Coryell, and neither HC ever won it all. Coryell's was a lot more fun to watch.

For years, Darrell Royal's opinion of passing ruled college and pro football. "When you pass the ball, only 3 things can happen and 2 of them are bad".

 

[stuckindc]

Already that has been the case with KM run offensive schemes, may be it has to do with playoff caliber defenses in the playoffs , LOL.

Still , I would say a conservative approach in the 2nd and 2 at 20 yard line of the opponent would have been better than a slant pass which gets intercepted and point differential happens complete opposite.

Excellent point. And the exact reason why you don’t pass there happened

 

[Rayman70]

Imagine what Marty ball would have looked like if he had Mahomes? My GAWD. It would have been pick your poison.