Cowboys (McCarthy) 2 scoring offense, Chargers (Moore) 8 scoring offense

[HungryLion]

I don’t equate 80 yard drives in 6 minutes to be conservative though.

Now you’re focusing too much on those numbers. When that was just an example I was giving.

What I was trying to say is…… you have to still be aggressive in trying to score TD’s. You can’t go into a shell of “we HAVE” to run the ball, to the point where your offense is getting stopped and not scoring as many points as it could be otherwise if you were still being aggressive.

Running the ball is fine if you’re still regularly converting first downs and scoring TD’s.

But if you’re running the ball to the point where it’s acting as a detriment to scoring more points. That’s a problem.

 

[HungryLion]

Every team Bill Parcells coached played that way.. He was moderately successful everywhere he went. Also to your point about 24 points in 20 minutes vs 28 points in 15. If the scoring 28 points in 15 minutes leaves your defense worn out and the other team overruns them later in the game. If you're playing against a team that is just as good or better on offense then absolutely just trying to beat them in a track meet is sheer folly. Also if you play a team with a good defense you aint scorin 28 points in 15 minutes and if you continue to operate like you are then you keep handing the ball back to the other team's offense before your defense can even get Gatorade.

Bill Parcells is my favorite coach ever. But football was different in the 80’s and 90’s.

You could win championships by running the ball, playing great defense and having a mediocre at best passing game.

In the NFL now, that same formula doesn’t work given the rule changes. You have to have an efficient passing offense in the modern NFL.

 

[Brax]

What exactly should Moore have done differently against Miami?

They ran the ball 40 times for 230 yards and were efficient in the pass game. They scored 34 points and had the ball for 32:41. What exactly is an offense supposed to do differently?

Ronnie will think up something lame Don’t worry.

 

[conner01]

Not really.

You should have a deep shot built into just about every passing play. Doesn't mean you always have to throw it, but the idea that a play should be designed to only pick up a few yards is dumb. Read #1 should always be down the field.

That’s what I said lol short and downfield routes. It’s smart to have short options since protection can break down and it gives you an option to get positive yards. But you don’t want everyone running short routes or if nothing else it makes coverage easier

 

[Pass2Run]

Put up more points and you at least beat the Cardinals..

My issue is the scheme. McCarthy looks lost at time as the OC. Or has. Since he has "learned" the offense by staying late at the office, things look better.

I gotta give it to you, though. At least it's not a Dak sucks or blame Dak for something out of his control thread.

We also have an offense with more potential this year. We added Cooks, Turpin. Gallup is healthy.

 

[Brax]

First.. the word is "complementary. Complimentary means saying nice things about someone or some thing. Second, you have completely whiffed on the "fundamental ideology" of complementary football. It is not that "scoring fewer points is better" rather it is that "scoring points while limiting the opponent's ability to score points is better."

Wow what insights imagine score points and limit your opponent points , ground breaking new age thinking, were you in the barn with MM to come up with such a revolutionary idea.

 

[aikemirv]

and if we lost that game yesterday and scored a lot less points, there would be people calling for Moore and asking why we let him go

Sunday was a good example of conservative in a blowout. The drive after the Rams TD in the 3rd quarter is exactly what you want when a team scores two TD's in a row. A 10 minute drive to waste away the 3rd was great. However in that conservative play calling it led us to a 4th and 1 which if not converted could have possibly been a huge deal in that game.

Would have it been better to just stay wide open and score a TD in 3-4 minutes on the clock? It worked out but that 4th down could have been a disaster.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I think complementary football means, to score points get a lead, and once the defense gets stops, the offense will turn to clock management and keeping the chains moving, and taking shots when they present themselves. In order to keep the other teams offense on the sideline.

I think a lot of MM’s issue with KM’s is that KM wanted to throttle everyone which sometimes wore the defense out as things would turn into a track meet.

This is what we’ve had as an offensive mindset:

JG- Get a lead go conservative and squeeze out a win by a point or 2. We saw this philosophy often especially on the road in the playoffs.

KM- Just keep scoring and scoring without any thought given to keeping your defense fresh and the other offense on the sidelines.

MM- Get a lead, increase your lead by a few possessions, let your defense eat, and run plays that don’t lead to big risks, and eat up TOP.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

How do you feel it's the same thing? In one scenario you want your defense off the field as much as possible so they don't lose the game, and in our scenario we want the defense fresh so they can win the game. Whats there to understand? It's complimentary cause the offense moves the ball and keeps the defense fresh. Redzone looks like it's starting to click.

These two things are exactly the same lol

 

[RonnieT24]

Ronnie will think up something lame Don’t worry.

The only things that are 100% applicable in the human condition are death and taxes. Everything else features variance. This is no exception. However upon closer inspection on their next to last drive the Chargers had the ball at the Miami 12 yard line with 5:10 left on the clock. They could have knelt down three times and eaten up almost 2 minutes off the clock. They ran it on first down then threw it twice, the last one being incomplete, before kicking the FG with 3:57 left. That could easily have been 1:57 left. Worst case scenario you could have at least forced Miami to use their timeouts which would have changed how they managed their last drive. You could have forced them to work everything along the sidelines which would have made them orders of magnitude less difficult to defense. Either way there was no excuse for not eating up more than a minute and change in that sequence. Unless of course you don't understand complementary football.

 

[Momanpr100]

These two things are exactly the same lol

If you say so. More power to you brotha

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

The only things that are 100% applicable in the human condition are death and taxes. Everything else features variance. This is no exception. However upon closer inspection on their next to last drive the Chargers had the ball at the Miami 12 yard line with 5:10 left on the clock. They could have knelt down three times and eaten up almost 2 minutes off the clock. They ran it on first down then threw it twice, the last one being incomplete, before kicking the FG with 3:57 left. That could easily have been 1:57 left. Worst case scenario you could have at least forced Miami to use their timeouts which would have changed how they managed their last drive. You could have forced them to work everything along the sidelines which would have made them orders of magnitude less difficult to defense. Either way there was no excuse for not eating up more than a minute and change in that sequence. Unless of course you don't understand complementary football.

That would have been suicide, because when you can't get a stop you need to get the ball back. They did, but couldn't get in range for a FG. They played it exactly how they should have.

Your math is WAY off. The run play and the completed pass on second down would have mostly the same effect on clock as taking a knee. It wasn't until third down that they snapped a bit early and then threw. At most they could have burned another ~45-50 seconds, not 2 entire minutes.

 

[Brax]

The only things that are 100% applicable in the human condition are death and taxes. Everything else features variance. This is no exception. However upon closer inspection on their next to last drive the Chargers had the ball at the Miami 12 yard line with 5:10 left on the clock. They could have knelt down three times and eaten up almost 2 minutes off the clock. They ran it on first down then threw it twice, the last one being incomplete, before kicking the FG with 3:57 left. That could easily have been 1:57 left. Worst case scenario you could have at least forced Miami to use their timeouts which would have changed how they managed their last drive. You could have forced them to work everything along the sidelines which would have made them orders of magnitude less difficult to defense. Either way there was no excuse for not eating up more than a minute and change in that sequence. Unless of course you don't understand complementary football.

if you you believe that fine but to me you assume running 3 times and bingo, just doesn’t work that way. As for a FG that’s a MM specialty especially since MM is a specialist at clock mismanagement. Let’s run a QB draw with 13 seconds left, and no it wasn’t KM who called that it was me clock MM. sorry you’re all washed up on this one.