Cowboys need a QB that fits Garrett's offense

[Alexander]

Who is saying that? You guys make up a generic homogenized forum member to espouse your complaints when few if any such members exist.

So absolutely nobody has said Murray was just terrible and minimized his production?

Please tell me you are not serious.

So what's your answer to virtually the same players generating TOs one year and not the next?

The same players? No Bruce Carter. No Justin Durant. No Sterling Moore.

Virtually the same players. Or something like that.

The run game this year was just as effective as last year. Several posters have put those facts up but damn the facts, huh?

Posters around here can continue to post the same nonsense that the run game was as effective.

Statistically, it was. But in terms of establishing identity and tempo, not true in the least.

No number crunching or bean counting can quantify that.

Damn the facts that we had fewer TDs rushing, fewer FDs rushing.

If you don't like that idea, that is your problem.

This is no a game that is built on "facts" no matter the desperation to make it that simple.

If we were talking baseball, I might actually pay more attention to things like that.

 

[Nightman]

12-4 seasons are not flukes. Now if you said we might not be on that level yet esp after this year that is reasonable. This is certainly a show me year.

12-4 can definitely be flukes,

Are you assigning the success of the one outlier season to Jason Garrett but not the underachieving 8-8s?

 

[CyberB0b]

Not sure how much I buy that.

He's put up 2 3200 yard seasons in a row, has an average completion percentage of 64%, and he throws the ball deep. He can be accurate. He can be good. I just don't know what's going on with him mentally.

 

[pugilist]

Garrett's offense is complete garbage.. maybe we should sign Oscar the Grouch, that dude knows garbage

 

[Craig]

I dont want rg3 but he would still be an upgrade over what they have had.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

12-4 can definitely be flukes,

Are you assigning the success of the one outlier season to Jason Garrett but not the underachieving 8-8s?

exactly. no matter how you shake it jason garretts record is point five oh, .500, mediocre.

8-8, 8-8, 8-8, 12-4, 4-12.... you are what your record says you are.

and we all know the reason we have any wins at all is because Romo. no thanks to JG (or whoever it is responsible for this) for believing a Norv Turner Air Coreyll system from the 90s (with Erhardt Perkins elements granted) (because he doesnt know how to adapt), can thrive today in the salary cap era!

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

The title to this thread is ridiculous to me. We need a new coach with a scheme that fits more than 1 quarterback in NFL history

elephant in the room no more.
u are correct but you forget JG is Teflon.
The GM Jerry is Teflon.

those things are practically set in stone around here.
yes the JG one is more brittle in comparison however i will believe it when i see it when it breaks.
i keep thinking it will break but it never does. its like dejavu over and over again.

so since JG is teflon.... what adjustments can we make beyond that? or is it all futile? is it all The Myth of Sisyphus?

 

[The Natural]

Garrett won't be here when that QB finally takes the reigns so why does it matter?

 

[tecolote]

The last 2 seasons the Cowboys are 15-4 with Tony and 1-12 without. That is all you need to know. Even in this incredibly nightmarish season Dallas won 3 out of 4 with him.

The Cowboys do not need a QB to fit Garrett, they need a young QB to take over when Romo retires but most of all they need a new head coach.

 

[Junglist]

Why? More than likely Garrett will be gone after we go 8-8 (or worse) next season.

 

[jobberone]

So absolutely nobody has said Murray was just terrible and minimized his production?

Please tell me you are not serious.

No answer and ad hominem attack.

Here is what you said that I responded to, "That 12-4 record has got so much mileage but in the meantime everything that got that record is dismissed. Murray? Ah, he's terrible. Look at what he did for Philadelphia."

The implication is the 12-4 record means at the least 'not so much' and Murray was an intregal part of that record which actually sends a mixed message.

You don't get 12-4 by a 'fluke' as some suggest. You can try to spin 29.2PPG away but that makes the playoffs this year by a good margin.

The same players? No Bruce Carter. No Justin Durant. No Sterling Moore.

Virtually the same players. Or something like that.

Oh, give me a break. Yes, it is virtually the same team. The lack of turnovers was systemic and not local as in oh if we just had Carter, Durant and Moore we'd have several more turnovers and all would be so so so much better. Damn them for letting those guys go.

Posters around here can continue to post the same nonsense that the run game was as effective.

Statistically, it was. But in terms of establishing identity and tempo, not true in the least.

No number crunching or bean counting can quantify that.

Damn the facts that we had fewer TDs rushing, fewer FDs rushing.

If you don't like that idea, that is your problem.

This is no a game that is built on "facts" no matter the desperation to make it that simple.

If we were talking baseball, I might actually pay more attention to things like that.

We didn't sustain drives because we couldn't advance the ball thru the air. We had no chemistry not just a lack of chemistry running the ball. You don't run the ball down the field to win games anymore. You'll just win the TOP and lose the game which is exactly what happened this year.

 

[jobberone]

12-4 can definitely be flukes,

Are you assigning the success of the one outlier season to Jason Garrett but not the underachieving 8-8s?

By not a fluke I mean they didn't luck into it. It is not an outlier. This year is and most everyone knows why.

I assign success to the entire organization not Garrett. I find pointing fingers fruitless.

 

[Nightman]

By not a fluke I mean they didn't luck into it. It is not an outlier. This year is and most everyone knows why.

I assign success to the entire organization not Garrett. I find pointing fingers fruitless.

"The unexamined season is not worth playing" - Me

 

[Arkyvarminter]

Garrett's system is just silly and Garrett won't be around to implement his system to the new QB in the next couple of years, so no... We should not find a QB who is Garrett friendly.

The offensive philosophy in Dallas is a Joke that's not even funny. With the stale, vanilla, everybody on D knows whats coming system Garrett runs, Joe Montana would look like Ryan Leaf.........

 

[Sportsbabe]

Here's 3 to draw to:
Colt McCoy
Chase Daniel
Matt Moore

Pick one and let's move on to bigger issues.

I can live with that.

 

[Zman5]

By not a fluke I mean they didn't luck into it. It is not an outlier. This year is and most everyone knows why.

I assign success to the entire organization not Garrett. I find pointing fingers fruitless.

Are you kidding me?

Zach Martin was big part of 2014's success and they reluctantly drafted him and got LUCKY that he turned out to be as good as he played in 2014.

They weren't even thinking about drafting a OL in the first round let alone targeting one. They were targeting defensive players.

 

[jobberone]

"The unexamined season is not worth playing" - Me

I'm certain they examined the 2014 season and they are examining 2015 - Me.

 

[KB1122]

No, we need a quarterback that can run zone read option.

 

[jobberone]

Are you kidding me?

Zach Martin was big part of 2014's success and they reluctantly drafted him and got LUCKY that he turned out to be as good as he played in 2014.

They weren't even thinking about drafting a OL in the first round.

We were talking about the 2014 season's record of 12-4 as not being a fluke....at least I was.

I have no idea where you are tying that into the draft.

But I wouldn't call your idea of reluctantly drafting Martin as being based on any known facts. They took the BPA at a PON with Martin. Most of the noise makers here cried, whined and complained as well as cursing the air Jerry et al breathe. Every time you draft an All-Pro whom many others passed over you used good judgment but you certainly are a bit lucky.

The draft is part skill and part crapshoot anyway.

 

[CCBoy]

exactly. no matter how you shake it jason garretts record is point five oh, .500, mediocre.

8-8, 8-8, 8-8, 12-4, 4-12.... you are what your record says you are.

and we all know the reason we have any wins at all is because Romo. no thanks to JG (or whoever it is responsible for this) for believing a Norv Turner Air Coreyll system from the 90s (with Erhardt Perkins elements granted) (because he doesnt know how to adapt), can thrive today in the salary cap era!

Oh yea, and the same could be said of one's daughter who was a plane Jane up to puberty, but a knockout with brains at 20.