Cowboys need a QB that fits Garrett's offense

waving monkey said:
living with mis-perceptions in this game is difficult I know
have fun next year
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You mean, you don't buy the argument that a team that can't win with no Dez, not enough defensive support, and Weeden/Cassel/Moore can only win with Tony Romo? And that that's all because of the scheme for some reason? Tough crowd.
 
KJJ said:
You should have kept reading because I pointed out several teams that lost their starting QB for parts of the 2015 season as well as other key players all made the playoffs including Denver who's in the SB. When a team goes 4-12 their issues are a lot deeper than losing their starting QB.
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They won for the most part because they had a backup who could win and/or a very good defense as in Denver. There's more than that but that's the most of it.
 
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We need to clone Romo. Just like what they did in Jurassic World. Take the DNA from Aikman and Staubach and infuse it into Romo. But yet again Jerry might want to clone himself and will have an army of Jerrys running the show in Dallas for hundreds of years more. No thanks.
 
Idgit said:
You mean, you don't buy the argument that a team that can't win with no Dez, not enough defensive support, and Weeden/Cassel/Moore can only win with Tony Romo? And that that's all because of the scheme for some reason? Tough crowd.
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The title to this thread is ridiculous to me. We need a new coach with a scheme that fits more than 1 quarterback in NFL history

living with mis-perceptions in this game is difficult I know
have fun next year

All the coaches are highly regarded an i include Red in that bunch.
You know who don't agree with what i said, some fans?
His going back to winning again and the fair weather fans will climb
back on the band wagon and make a mockery of the word fan.
Some wont out of pride.

If you want to complain that JJones should have done more for the
back up QB spot I'd agree. Jerry agrees. Who doesn't?

We'll be better prepared the coming season and if Romo can play
lets say 14 games we'll be in the play offs.
 
Idgit said:
That's a legit question. Most of them do suck. I don't love the backup veterans out there. If Fitzpatrick were available, he's the kind of guy you'd look to bring in.

I'd bring in a vet and draft one at 4, either way.
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that is why I say draft one at 4, and he can possibly also be the guy for after Romo, and in meantime be his bkup.
 
jobberone said:
No answer and ad hominem attack.

Here is what you said that I responded to, "That 12-4 record has got so much mileage but in the meantime everything that got that record is dismissed. Murray? Ah, he's terrible. Look at what he did for Philadelphia."

The implication is the 12-4 record means at the least 'not so much' and Murray was an intregal part of that record which actually sends a mixed message.
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Nothing mixed about it. Ever since he left, a number of posters have done nothing but minimize his accomplishments and insist that since he struggled in Philadelphia and that what he did for Dallas was easily replaceable. Teams respected the run last season and it loosened up the pass game. It was a big reason we controlled football games.

Oh, give me a break. Yes, it is virtually the same team. The lack of turnovers was systemic and not local as in oh if we just had Carter, Durant and Moore we'd have several more turnovers and all would be so so so much better. Damn them for letting those guys go.
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You do realize that those three players were responsible for the bulk of the turnovers, right? Carter himself had 5 INTs last season playing part time, which is more than our entire highly paid cornerback group mustered on its own this season. So, like it or not, it was not the same team. Chemistry matters and the Cowboys quite simply did not replace those players who did make plays. Things were supposed to be just dominating with Lee/McClain plus Hardy. Well, it just simply was not.
 
bkight13 said:
12-4 can definitely be flukes,

Are you assigning the success of the one outlier season to Jason Garrett but not the underachieving 8-8s?
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yeah they do lol!
one thing about 2014 is we had I think 4 div wins in our sort of weak div, Then we got 4 other wins one was seattle, which was 8
but the difference maker that took us from 8 to 12 wins was playing the weakest div in NFL, the AFC south with houston and jags, and we got indy
at end and they were taking the week off in a meaningless game for them.

In 2015 we played the toughest 2 div's and that is one reason for 8 losses, and rest of nfce having bad records.

So we had a easier schedule in 2014 plus we had murray romo dez few injurys, and the strong run game which
was much better in 2014 regardless of some stats.
Had we not lost the wash game , I think we would have played GB in dallas, and had a bye?
no telling what happens if they win just one more game.
playoff contenders were weak in 14 compared to 15, so that was a missed opportunity.
We lost the wash game by JG wanting to cut back on carries by murray and have romo pass more, and then not
going max protection for Romo.
 
jobberone said:
Sry but I stopped reading after the 2015 season was a failure because I've written it off due to no Romo. I don't give a crap about anything but that because Romo is going to be back. That and finding a backup who can win some games. After that any analysis is fine things the club should be looking at in the postseason autopsy.

On to the draft, UDFAs and vets.
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That's too bad, you ended up missing a really good post.
 
Idgit said:
You mean, you don't buy the argument that a team that can't win with no Dez, not enough defensive support, and Weeden/Cassel/Moore can only win with Tony Romo? And that that's all because of the scheme for some reason? Tough crowd.
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1 game? And that one game gifted to them because Desean Jackson muffs a punt? This team has two wins that you could possibly point to as good ones - Philadelphia in week two and the game against Miami. And even those were shaky! The other two against the Commanders and Giants, from the worst division in football, were the results of monumental screw ups from the opponent. You know that, and I know that.
 
jobberone said:
They won for the most part because they had a backup who could win and/or a very good defense as in Denver. There's more than that but that's the most of it.
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And after 5-plus years of 'the process', why can't we have that? Gary Kubiak - a favorite punching bag around these parts - is in the Super Bowl after his first year on the job in Denver!
 
Jarv said:
What is Garrett's system?
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as Garrett has supposedly said.........a system of indiv. players winning one-on-one battles.............While at the same time, every GM in the NFL sorts thru thousands of college kids for defensive talent yearly............ to prevent a offensive player from winning a one-on-one battle.
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Its somewhat ironic.......Garrett seemingly refuses to utilize these rule grey area quasi pik plays, rub plays that we sit and watch G.Bay,NE, New O,Denver etc all use in critical times during a game to keep a drive going, to score in the red-zone....................and yet in his best year as a coach (12-4) his season gets stoned cold by a grey area Dez Catch interpretation..........
 
stasheroo said:
And after 5-plus years of 'the process', why can't we have that? Gary Kubiak - a favorite punching bag around these parts - is in the Super Bowl after his first year on the job in Denver!
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we were having that then came last year. its coming and i have the names
 
sbark said:
Do we need a QB that fits a certain system............or a coach that can "coach em' up" to a level of competence , while at the same time adapting his scheme to help the backup get coached up faster.............mesh the two together to a point of the team playing .500 ball at least...........not that much to ask
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Ok quite a few say this , but JG will be here for a few more years IMO.
I wanted him gone back in 2012, but he is in tight with the jones.
It wont be hard for the cowboys to get back in the playoffs in 16, they might not go far, but they
should make the playoffs and thats all JG needs to do to keep his job.

And even if they dont, he might be excused again by the jones.

So looking at it like that I thought of doing this thread.
Since JG is going to be here regardless, along with the other coaches, and most of the same players,
might as well get JG what will best help him win with the offense he uses.

I also think they need a RB in the draft, someone like the wilson kid arizona got last draft.
I think Dallas could have had him, but he wasnt on their board lol.

Getting RG or JF is not the way to go. They dont fit in any better than weeden or cassel

So might as well get a top QB as our bkup and future QB, he might be a bust , but then again he may be
a winner, could go either way, but this is our only chance to pick this high.
Any player we pick could be a bust, and I think QB is the smart move for # 4

I dont know which QB is the best, I am not picking him , I will leave all that to the guys who are picking.
I like the wentz kid from what little I have seen, and I saw his post S.bowl presser.
If they pick him I will be ok with it.

And if JG were to be fired after 16, then the new coach would have a # 4 overall QB to work with.
 
Alexander said:
Nothing mixed about it. Ever since he left, a number of posters have done nothing but minimize his accomplishments and insist that since he struggled in Philadelphia and that what he did for Dallas was easily replaceable. Teams respected the run last season and it loosened up the pass game. It was a big reason we controlled football games.



You do realize that those three players were responsible for the bulk of the turnovers, right? Carter himself had 5 INTs last season playing part time, which is more than our entire highly paid cornerback group mustered on its own this season. So, like it or not, it was not the same team. Chemistry matters and the Cowboys quite simply did not replace those players who did make plays. Things were supposed to be just dominating with Lee/McClain plus Hardy. Well, it just simply was not.
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LOL at least I am not alone in thinking that, talking to some people here about that is like talking to a empty cave, I just get the
same echo back over and over about how Murray was nothing special and losing him was no big deal.
 
stasheroo said:
We were also having three consecutive seasons of 8-8 too. Put it on a line chart and you've got a flat line, a spike, and then a plunge that averages out to .500.



What's "coming" and what "names" do you have? I'm not understanding you here?
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so building counts for nothing ,thats good
the names come later during the season stay tuned
 
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