Cowboys need a QB that fits Garrett's offense

[Zman5]

We were talking about the 2014 season's record of 12-4 as not being a fluke....at least I was.

I have no idea where you are tying that into the draft.

But I wouldn't call your idea of reluctantly drafting Martin as being based on any known facts. They took the BPA at a PON with Martin. Most of the noise makers here cried, whined and complained as well as cursing the air Jerry et al breathe. Every time you draft an All-Pro whom many others passed over you used good judgment but you certainly are a bit lucky.

The draft is part skill and part crapshoot anyway.

You posted: "By not a fluke I mean they didn't luck into it".

Zack Martin was a big part of the success they had in 2014. They got LUCKY drafting Martin. Had the Steelers not drafted Shazier, we wouldn't have drafted Martin.

You make it sound like everything that happened in 2014 was planned and "luck" had nothing to do with it. I'm giving one example of "luck" that did have a big impact on the success of 2014 season.

 

[CCBoy]

"The unexamined season is not worth playing" - Me

The convicted to his lawyer, 'but I can't do the twenty-five.'

 

[LatinMind]

So the best thing for Cowboys , is to Draft a QB who fits what JG likes to do on offense.

That is basically a pocket passer, someone with size, and who could take off and run

at times, but not on designed runs.



He could bkup tony, and even rest tony in 2nd half of season, so Tony is fit for the playoffs.

Play the bkup, against the weaker opponents.

Manziel and RG3 will not fit in JG's offense, neither one is a good pocket passer, and that is
what JG needs for the offense he likes to run.

To get good results with either of these 2 would require a whole new offense designed
for JF or RG, and that isnt going to happen here, and even if they tried, it would
not work out too good, probably about like when we try to run pick plays.

I think Hackenberg would be perfect for this offense.

 

[DallasDomination]

Garrett won't be around if we don't make the playoffs so it's not going to matter.

 

[jobberone]

You posted: "By not a fluke I mean they didn't luck into it".

Zack Martin was a big part of the success they had in 2014. They got LUCKY drafting Martin. Had the Steelers not drafted Shazier, we wouldn't have drafted Martin.

You make it sound like everything that happened in 2014 was planned and "luck" had nothing to do with it. I'm giving one example of "luck" that did have a big impact on the success of 2014 season.

The question is how can you project all those thoughts onto me by my saying 2014's record was not a fluke. I answered your previous post by saying of course you are lucky to get an All Pro but it certainly wasn't all luck. But that has 1/53 of the player's responsibility for the success of 2014. And doesn't even get into the rest of the organization.

This train of cognitive distortions and illogic is not worth my discussing. Have a great night.

 

[Nightman]

The convicted to his lawyer, 'but I can't do the twenty-five.'

Shoulda took the deal

 

[Rockport]

That 12-4 record has got so much mileage but in the meantime everything that got that record is dismissed.

Murray? Ah, he's terrible. Look at what he did for Philadelphia.

Turnovers? Well, dadgum our luck his year.

TOP? Not relevant.

We are back to the idea that Romo can just flip the team on his back and if he just stays healthy, we will make a Super Bowl.

Yep, Romo is that good. Much better than you believe obviously. Haters will hate no matter.

 

[Zman5]

The question is how can you project all those thoughts onto me by my saying 2014's record was not a fluke. I answered your previous post by saying of course you are lucky to get an All Pro but it certainly wasn't all luck. But that has 1/53 of the player's responsibility for the success of 2014. And doesn't even get into the rest of the organization.

This train of cognitive distortions and illogic is not worth my discussing. Have a great night.

I didn't say it was all luck. I was just disagreeing with your origional post where you said "they didn't luck into it".

 

[jobberone]

I didn't say it was all luck. I was just disagreeing with your origional post where you said "they didn't luck into it".

Most people would understand what I was saying. Have a good night.

 

[CCBoy]

Garrett won't be around if we don't make the playoffs so it's not going to matter.

I can see now, a whole site of salesmen for crystal balls...yea, I'm buying that one to the last word.

 

[KJJ]

12-4 seasons are not flukes. Now if you said we might not be on that level yet esp after this year that is reasonable. This is certainly a show me year.

The 2015 season was a show me year to prove the 2014 season wasn't a fluke and the Cowboys failed miserably. You have your opinion I'll give you mine. When a team goes 6-10 followed by three straight 8-8 seasons all resulting in missing the playoffs then has a surprising 12-4 season that came out of nowhere during a year when everyone was picking them to be one of the worst if not the worst team in the league and is unable to validate it the following year then that season was a fluke. The 2015 season was the 5th time in 6 years the Cowboys have finished 500 or worse. A team that's turned the corner and has become a "solid team" would have built on what they accomplished in 2014 not follow it up with their worst season in 26 years. Several teams lost their starting QB for parts of the 2015 season and still made the playoffs. Losing a couple of key players shouldn't result in a 4-12 season a season like that points to several deeper issues.

Peyton Manning had a bad year and missed several games due to injury but that didn't stop Denver from reaching the SB. Pittsburgh lost Roethlisberger for several games having to play with 2 different backups plus they lost Bell for the entire season but still made the playoffs. Houston had a worse QB situation than the Cowboys playing with 3 scrubs plus they lost their top rusher Foster for the season but still made the playoffs. They won two important games with Brandon Weeden at QB who was 0-3 with the Cowboys this season. Look at the players who've moved on from the Panthers in recent years such as Hardy, Steve Smith and DeAngelo Williams plus they lost their #1 WR prior to this season and still went 17-1 and are in the SB. Good, well coached teams overcome some injuries they don't fall from 12-4 to 4-12.

The early 2000 Cowboys had a much worse QB situation than our 2015 team plus they had a horrid OL but never lost 12 games in a season. I posted after watching the opener vs the Giants that the Cowboys looked like a 9-7 to 8-8 team. We were the healthiest we were all season in the opener and it took a huge clock management gaffe by the Giants and a last ditch drive by Romo to pull that game out against what turned out to be a bad Giants team. With Romo aging and having injury issues every season and with Dez coming off foot and ankle surgery I don't see much to be encouraged about looking ahead to next season. Until serious changes are made the Cowboys could very well be stuck around 500 or below for awhile. Not saying that will happen but when you go 4-12 there's issues that extend way past injuries.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

So the best thing for Cowboys , is to Draft a QB who fits what JG likes to do on offense.

That is basically a pocket passer, someone with size, and who could take off and run

at times, but not on designed runs.

One of the top three fits this mold more than the other two.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

Oh yea, and the same could be said of one's daughter who was a plane Jane up to puberty, but a knockout with brains at 20.

The Hermetic alchemists knew of the secret race of three-eyed invaders but despite their efforts could not contact them. Therefore their efforts to support Frederick V, Elector Palatine, King of Bohemia, failed. 'The Empire never ended.'

 

[jobberone]

The 2015 season was a show me year to prove the 2014 season wasn't a fluke and the Cowboys failed miserably. You have your opinion I'll give you mine. When a team goes 6-10 followed by three straight 8-8 seasons all resulting in missing the playoffs then has a surprising 12-4 season that came out of nowhere during a year when everyone was picking them to be one of the worst if not the worst team in the league and is unable to validate it the following year then that season was a fluke. The 2015 season was the 5th time in 6 years the Cowboys have finished 500 or worse. A team that's turned the corner and has become a "solid team" would have built on what they accomplished in 2014 not follow it up with their worst season in 26 years. Several teams lost their starting QB for parts of the 2015 season and still made the playoffs. Losing a couple of key players shouldn't result in a 4-12 season a season like that points to several deeper issues.

Peyton Manning had a bad year and missed several games due to injury but that didn't stop Denver from reaching the SB. Pittsburgh lost Roethlisberger for several games having to play with 2 different backups plus they lost Bell for the entire season but still made the playoffs. Houston had a worse QB situation than the Cowboys playing with 3 scrubs plus they lost their top rusher Foster for the season but still made the playoffs. They won two important games with Brandon Weeden at QB who was 0-3 with the Cowboys this season. Look at the players who've moved on from the Panthers in recent years such as Hardy, Steve Smith and DeAngelo Williams plus they lost their #1 WR prior to this season and still went 17-1 and are in the SB. Good, well coached teams overcome some injuries they don't fall from 12-4 to 4-12.

The early 2000 Cowboys had a much worse QB situation than our 2015 team plus they had a horrid OL but never lost 12 games in a season. I posted after watching the opener vs the Giants that the Cowboys looked like a 9-7 to 8-8 team. We were the healthiest we were all season in the opener and it took a huge clock management gaffe by the Giants and a last ditch drive by Romo to pull that game out against what turned out to be a bad Giants team. With Romo aging and having injury issues every season and with Dez coming off foot and ankle surgery I don't see much to be encouraged about looking ahead to next season. Until serious changes are made the Cowboys could very well be stuck around 500 or below for awhile. Not saying that will happen but when you go 4-12 there's issues that extend way past injuries.

Sry but I stopped reading after the 2015 season was a failure because I've written it off due to no Romo. I don't give a crap about anything but that because Romo is going to be back. That and finding a backup who can win some games. After that any analysis is fine things the club should be looking at in the postseason autopsy.

On to the draft, UDFAs and vets.

 

[CCBoy]

The Hermetic alchemists knew of the secret race of three-eyed invaders but despite their efforts could not contact them. Therefore their efforts to support Frederick V, Elector Palatine, King of Bohemia, failed. 'The Empire never ended.'

I hope that you kept the video, until this month reaches the Combine.

 

[KJJ]

Sry but I stopped reading after the 2015 season was a failure because I've written it off due to no Romo. I don't give a crap about anything but that because Romo is going to be back. That and finding a backup who can win some games. After that any analysis is fine things the club should be looking at in the postseason autopsy.

On to the draft, UDFAs and vets.

You should have kept reading because I pointed out several teams that lost their starting QB for parts of the 2015 season as well as other key players all made the playoffs including Denver who's in the SB. When a team goes 4-12 their issues are a lot deeper than losing their starting QB.

 

[MRV52]

I have a better idea why are we looking for a QB that fits the system? Shouldn't we be in search of a new coach that fits the QB's we have.

 

[waving monkey]

The title to this thread is ridiculous to me. We need a new coach with a scheme that fits more than 1 quarterback in NFL history

living with mis-perceptions in this game is difficult I know
have fun next year

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

I have a better idea why are we looking for a QB that fits the system? Shouldn't we be in search of a new coach that fits the QB's we have.

you do know why Jason Garrett is associated with Teflon right?

 

[sbark]

Do we need a QB that fits a certain system............or a coach that can "coach em' up" to a level of competence , while at the same time adapting his scheme to help the backup get coached up faster.............mesh the two together to a point of the team playing .500 ball at least...........not that much to ask