Cowboys need a QB that fits Garrett's offense

[Stash]

See, the problem with that statement is that the same people who thought Weedon, Cassel, and Moore were good QBs are going to be selecting this new QB. And its not like these 3 QBs just showed up one day, the staff signed/traded for these guys and in Weeden's case, was on the roster for over 2 years.

Additionally, Weeden even got "Romo Wednesdays" to take reps with the first team offense and had been in the system for 2 consecutive years. Jerry even said that Weeden "threw the prettiest ball you have ever seen" and Garrett stood right there in practice watching him for 2 years and they all said he was good to go.

I watched Weeden for 10 min and could tell he sucked, but yet Garrett and company had 2 years of watching him every day, even taking reps with the first team offense, and they couldn't tell he sucked? And yet these are the guys that are going to evaluate the new QB, even though they have failed miserably at previous QB evaluations? Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

And how bad is it when the website guys like Nick Eatman are questioning why Dustin Vaughan, their last pet project was ever here in the first place? They would publicly question what the team ever saw in the guy, months if not a year before it finally occurred to them.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Garrett needs a QB who, when the defense reads a play (99% of the time because it's so obvious), is smart enough to change the play at the line into something else. In other words, Garrett needs a QB who can be both offensive coordinator and QB at the same time to compensate for his easily readable offensive scheme.

Good luck in finding that!

 

[Stash]

They probably knew there was a possible hole in their roster there with Weeden.

If they did, it's still on them for failing to do anything about it. The Bills cut Matt Cassel on Sept. 5th, prior to the season. If the Cowboys liked him as much as they said later, why didn't they sign him then? To make matters worse, they later traded for him, taking on the contract and giving up a draft pick too.

There just aren't enough decent backups to go around. You'll notice he was picked up and put in the starting roster by another team pretty quick.

They're certainly in short supply, in terms of both starters and backups. And that's what it's critical to do a good job in both coaching and evaluation. The competition around the league is fierce, and if you can do a better job than the rest of the league, it can prove to be a huge advantage. But, make no mistake about it, it's much easier said than done and is arguably the biggest challenge in all of pro sports.

That speaks more to the dearth of good QBs than it does to teams miss evaluating them to me.

To me, it says both. And it painfully shows an area that - despite having two former quarterbacks as coaches - they've continued to do a poor job in evaluation and coaching.

 

[KJJ]

Garrett's future depends on Romo because he and his system won't outlast the growing pains of a young QB. The Cowboys are a QB dependent team most teams are to a certain extent but the Cowboys can't win without Romo. Other teams can stay afloat for a few games without their starting QB we saw that with several teams this season who still made the playoffs despite losing their starter for part of the season due to solid coaching and players stepping up but not the Cowboys.

 

[KJJ]

Wow maybe you should be running the Cowboys !

Better me than some here. lol

 

[Nightman]

As opposed to wasting another pick on another position who can't start.

I would say that one pick out of the last 30 that is made with the near future in mind instead of the immediate future is not an issue.

If Goff or Wentz don't play for 2 years that is OK. They will be that much better when they do start in 2018.

 

[KJJ]

There are fans who can not understand that building and winning are not necessarily
mutually inclusive.Red's turn at the wheel resulted in 3 seasons of 8/8. While dumping dead
contracts and old bodies. Digging us out of a cap hole and then getting to the 12/4 season.
Some fans will not accept the complete turn over of roster other then [Romo,Witten]
and not be competing for the play offs under those conditions. OK I get it,you just want to have
fun

And lastly [Im going to bed] there's nothing new. It's the same old dead horse we have pulverized.
You dont like Red where as I like him and think his taken some of us to the promise land.
You and others like you however don't get to go,You'd find fault. That's what keeps you at the gate.
But I and a few others will tell you and yours how good it feels and what a great game it was.
But your not allowed in the wagon

Romo, Witten, Dez, Free and Sean Lee are the only remaining players from the 2010 team that went 6-10. Despite a complete roster turnover that started that offseason the Cowboys are sitting at 4-12 after enduring a season that was very similar to the 2010 season. Romo only played 6 games in 2010 after suffering a broken collarbone and Dez missed the final 4 games with an injury but the Cowboys were still able to scratch out 6 wins that season despite the key injuries and the firing of their head coach at mid season. The 2010 team won 5 games with 2 backup QBs and won 2 games without Romo or Dez. With old man Kitna at the helm vs a Peyton Manning led Colts team the Cowboys won that game on the road.

I felt better about that team after that season than I do about this team after what I saw in 2015. We spent 5 years turning over a roster for this??? It boggles the mind that this team could go 4-12 with what many consider the best OL in football. The OL was miserable in 2010 we started dismantling it after that season making Tyron Smith our first pick in 2011. The 2010 team won 5 of their last 8 games just playing out the schedule while the 2015 team that was still in contention won only 2 of their last 8 games.

I felt more encouraged after the 2010 season than I do now with an aging, injury prone Romo and a Dez Bryant coming off foot and ankle surgery. Even in the games Romo played this season his TD to turnover ratio was 5 to 7 and his 79.4 passer rating was the lowest of his career. When you look at the defense that continues to struggle every year, the poor coaching and Romo and Dez coming off bad injury plagued seasons it's hard to get excited about the future. It's going to take one hell of an optimist to come away with anything positive from this season.

 

[jobberone]

Remember Garrett went 5-3 after a 1-7 starts........ people bring this up , but they forget JG was big reason
they were 1-7 !!!!!!!
Also he was really 4-4 not 5-3 because the philly game they had nothing to play for and didnt use their starters.
they were in the playoffs, and we won 14-13.
Had they been needing to win they would have won.
So JG was really 4-4 then 3 8-8's

Also when jerry let wade go he told the players they were now playing for their jobs, so that made them play better or harder too.

Now the 8-8 years were not rebuilding years, they were just like any other years , teams are always building.

I do agree though that 4-12 for 2015 is not a sign the team has gone downward, and they could not go up with the injurys, or go
12-4 again.
But they should have won more games than they did, and qb play and offense should have been better than it was.
They should have gone about 8-8 and that would have not made playoffs, but it would have shown coaches were
able to adapt.
Since they started 2-0 That means I am saying they should have won 6 of the other 14 games, if they win 7 of 14 they tie
wash for div.
That isnt expecting a lot for the team to win 1/2 the remaining games after losing romo/

That's not unreasonable although I don't agree with it all. It's still reasonable.

But I think it is time to stop finger pointing which does nothing even if you're part of the Cowboys. Let them address the problems and let us see what happens. That is all a fan can do.

 

[BigStar]

And how bad is it when the website guys like Nick Eatman are questioning why Dustin Vaughan, their last pet project was ever here in the first place? They would publicly question what the team ever saw in the guy, months if not a year before it finally occurred to them.

FT Worth media is pudding soft. If Dallas hypothetically played in the Mid Atlantic-NE, they would be forced to answer questions about direction, thought processes, general idea of roster makeup compared to results, and on and on. JG would never last as long as he has in these regions; JJ ego be damned. This applies to newspaper articles, press conferences (TC and post game).

 

[waving monkey]

It's reasonable to second guess some decisions the coaching staff made and the FO last year.
None will say they did a good job.
As too slash's statement about dustin Vaughan? /All teams make drafting misses.
But to act like thats a good example of incompetence is a lack of acquaintance
with the acquisition side of football. Trying to bring someone along after you have
already bought the player [product] you dont throw him away you try to salvage
a bad pick. It happens. If fans would just be reasonable it would go along way
to advance dialog on the board.

 

[Beast_from_East]

It ain't prefect is it. I thought more could be done but I'm far from done with Red.
I will not however claim that Red failed while rebuilding almost the entire team
they never called it that but look at all the position.

I'm with him till he finishes his contract then I'll look back over his tenure and see.
He lacks tough guy image would be my central observation but the players play.
The scheme? was pretty good in 2014?

This year was really tough but he gets more rope from me.

He has 4 years left on his contract, if he finishes out that contract he will have been the head coach for 9 1/2 years

At least by that time, my daughter will be old enough to ask the dreaded question..........."daddy, why do the Cowboys suck so bad"

 

[Beast_from_East]

You mean came back from a 1-7 start in his inaugural year and was in it until the final game of the season for two years then went 12-4 only to look like crap with Romo gone.

Remember Garrett went 5-3 after a 1-7 starts then 8-8 while rebuilding. What the future holds I don't know assuming Romo plays but anyone looking at that curve sees a rebuilding trend if you discard 2015. I discard 2015 because it does not represent the team over the last 4 years. The team is competitive with Romo at QB.

And I've never been a big Garrett fan either.

Yea, he came back from a 1-7 start where he contributed to it with over 20 turnovers by his offensive unit, yet Wade gets canned.

As far as going 8-8 when rebuilding is some great feat? His game day mistakes costed the team at least one, possibly two division titles during that time. That is why Jerry publicly called him a "trainee" because of all of his blunders.

Name me another head coach in the NFL that has been called a trainee by his owner and then used that as the excuse not to get rid of him. Jerry said, "I don't want him going to another team and that team benefiting from all the learning he is doing from the mistakes he is making here. We need to benefit from his learing from mistakes".

And 2015 counts , they all do. Going 1-11 because they didn't have a compent backup is not acceptable. You say this team is competitive with Romo, what you really mean to say is this team is not competitive without Romo.

Garrett has spent 5 1/2 years building a roster that is incapable of winning any games without its starting QB.........that is really not that great of an accomplishment.

 

[waving monkey]

Yea, he came back from a 1-7 start where he contributed to it with over 20 turnovers by his offensive unit, yet Wade gets canned.

As far as going 8-8 when rebuilding is some great feat? His game day mistakes costed the team at least one, possibly two division titles during that time. That is why Jerry publicly called him a "trainee" because of all of his blunders.

Name me another head coach in the NFL that has been called a trainee by his owner and then used that as the excuse not to get rid of him. Jerry said, "I don't want him going to another team and that team benefiting from all the learning he is doing from the mistakes he is making here. We need to benefit from his learing from mistakes".

And 2015 counts , they all do. Going 1-11 because they didn't have a compent backup is not acceptable. You say this team is competitive with Romo, what you really mean to say is this team is not competitive without Romo.

Garrett has spent 5 1/2 years building a roster that is incapable of winning any games without its starting QB.........that is really not that great of an accomplishment.

Garrett has spent 5 1/2 years building a roster that is incapable of winning any games without its starting QB.........that is really not that great of an accomplishment

it really isn't

 

[jobberone]

Yea, he came back from a 1-7 start where he contributed to it with over 20 turnovers by his offensive unit, yet Wade gets canned.

As far as going 8-8 when rebuilding is some great feat? His game day mistakes costed the team at least one, possibly two division titles during that time. That is why Jerry publicly called him a "trainee" because of all of his blunders.

Name me another head coach in the NFL that has been called a trainee by his owner and then used that as the excuse not to get rid of him. Jerry said, "I don't want him going to another team and that team benefiting from all the learning he is doing from the mistakes he is making here. We need to benefit from his learing from mistakes".

And 2015 counts , they all do. Going 1-11 because they didn't have a compent backup is not acceptable. You say this team is competitive with Romo, what you really mean to say is this team is not competitive without Romo.

Garrett has spent 5 1/2 years building a roster that is incapable of winning any games without its starting QB.........that is really not that great of an accomplishment.

Wade 1-7 and Garrett 5-3 even with coaching mistakes. Yeah, that one is a no brainer.

Most teams lose while rebuilding esp if they are in a huge cap hole. So yeah he gets some benefit of the doubt there, too.

Yes, his own the job training was painful to watch at times. Although despite his mistakes he still had them in the hunt while rebuilding so again some benefit of the doubt. While you always want to win and you never want to overlook big mistakes, we weren't going to win a SB. A NFC East win would be gravy and he should have probably gotten one. But we weren't going to win a SB with that team. No we weren't even the NY Giants catching fire because we didn't have that defense. So pluses and minuses there.

Giving any credence to Jerry saying that is fruitless and I'm not interested in discussing it. I will discuss his being in training on the job. He's lucky to have the job. He got it based on his ties here from the glory days and his body of work with the likes of Saban. While I don't give him any skins on the wall he was surrounded by some very good minds in NY and Miami. He is what we thought he'd be.....long on hope and short on experience.

The above is not the first time for a NFL coach BTW. While Landry was a more accomplished DC when he came to Dallas he wasn't a OC and had no HC experience. The calls to run him out of town were far greater than anything in Dallas in Jason's tenure. Not comparing them overall just what I typed.

Sure 2015 counts but not on MY ledger when it comes to the overall record. Once Romo got hurt again that was the end of the year. Who give a crap if we should have won a couple of more games. Change the offense to 25+PPG and the entire team looks different. Romo gives you that. NE scored 29.1PPG (3rd) and Car scored 31.2PPG (1st). There is a reason they are where they are. Den is an oddity in that they only scored 22+PPG this year. Their defense has carried them with some timely play by their offense. Threw that in there for the defensive guys since defense does matter.

If you want to say there are still problems with the team then I don't see anyone reasonable arguing with that. Of course they do and every team does.

The bolded part is just a silly statement. Many teams don't win with their starting QB. In the history of the NFL very few teams have gone to a SB with a backup QB. Without looking it up name the backup QBs to win a SB or even get there.

 

[Alexander]

And how bad is it when the website guys like Nick Eatman are questioning why Dustin Vaughan, their last pet project was ever here in the first place? They would publicly question what the team ever saw in the guy, months if not a year before it finally occurred to them.

It is very clear this team has been comfortable for a long long time at QB.

 

[jobberone]

It is very clear this team has been comfortable for a long long time at QB.

They need to start to getting uncomfortable but I suspect they are now.

 

[KJJ]

They need to start to getting uncomfortable but I suspect they are now.

With Romo turning 36 in April and re breaking the same collarbone twice in 2015 that helped cost the Cowboys their season I would say they're feeling pretty uncomfortable at QB knowing they can't compete without Romo and don't have a capable backup who can keep them afloat. It's that concern that could result in the team taking a QB at #4 overall not just for backup purposes but to replace Romo in the next year or two. If there was a time to get serious about addressing the QB position in the draft it's now.

 

[percyhoward]

TOP? Not relevant.

Correct. Not relevant.

SB teams' average possession
Carolina - 2:44 (15th)
Denver - 2:32 (23rd)

Dallas' average possession / W-L
2014 - 3:02 (2nd) / 12-4
2015 - 3:00 (3rd) / 4-12

 

[Bleu Star]

The title to this thread is ridiculous to me. We need a new coach with a scheme that fits more than 1 quarterback in NFL history

Bravo

 

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the_h0wey said: ↑
The title to this thread is ridiculous to me. We need a new coach with a scheme that fits more than 1 quarterback in NFL history "Bravo"
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That statement or thinking is ridiculous to me ! lol like that is going to happen.
Garrett will be here for next 5 years, maybe 10, so might as well hope he gets what he needs to make it interesting each year.
If JG gets the team just in the playoffs next year , no way he will be fired.
and that may get him 2 more years, and on it goes.