Cowboys need a QB that fits Garrett's offense

[Wolfpack]

In this era of free agency, you simply can't take that long. It can't happen. Even if you build a talented roster, you can't possibly hold it all together indefinitely with a hard cap.

Garrett is a lot of smoke and mirrors with rah-rah speeches and quotes from better coaches. But when it comes down to substance, and the actions of actually having your players better prepared and out scheming your rival, he's a failure.

And it has occurred to me that I can never recall a similar example of an owner's vanity project at the head coaching position. A guy he so desperately envisioned as being successful that he hired him, promoted him, and kept him despite several years of evidence showing it to not be what he had hoped for. I can't think of another example anyway.

Jim Zorn would be close but that ego fed owner actually figured out that wasnt a good idea and went another direction.

 

[JoeKing]

Is Garrett's job so secure that he will be around the duration of the next starting QB's first contract?

 

[rick2248]

If we draft a QB with the 4th overall pick we better come up with an offense that fits them. When you make that kind of investment in a QB everything you do needs to be tailored around what they do best.

Wow did you figure that out all by yourself or did Jerry help you?

 

[waving monkey]

Nonsense! Total, complete, and utter nonsense! If you're not winning, you're not 'building" anything, except for a mountain of excuses. And this is just the sort of sheepish mentality that billionaires like Jerry Jones can count on. Take what you're given, and ask for nothing. Just open up your wallet and hand over the cash.



And yet another woeful attempt at revisionist history! Your buddy "Red" inherited a stocked team, loaded with Pro Bowl talent that went 11-5 just one year earlier. Save the 'cupboard was bare' jibberish for someone who doesn't know the truth! And there was no 'cap hole' either, but you keep on spewing those lies too.



Yep. Because it's not true and just another excuse made by the sheep for why this organization can't win anymore.



Newsflash! Any "wagon" that would require me to believe such complete, total, and utter nonsense is one I want no part of anyway. I have far too much intelligence than to shut my brain off and blindly follow what this underachieving organization tells me or to make up lame excuses for people who can't do the job they were hired for.

Just endorse your paycheck to Jerry Jones each week and be done with it. Then you'll be completely free of that burden of thinking once and for all.

I have read over the diatribe the troll fans have devolved too. Hope you can enjoy your season. Good luck with that.I'll have reading the screams

 

[jobberone]

It's always apples and oranges when it comes to the adopted son, isn't it? No set of circumstances quite compares to what he has to deal with...

Give me a break. Irregardless of Manning's performances during the early year, he led them to the playoffs, a number one seed, and now the SB. Meanwhile Garrett has Weeden et al.

Stop it!

 

[jobberone]

No if you read back carefully and specifically, I said nothing of the kind.

I stated we did a poor job of replacing all three, that was the point that obviously flew over your head.

When the players who accounted for most of your defensive plays are free agents and allowed to leave and there is no plan to replace any of them? That is a distinct miss.

We took the same players that did not produce turnovers in 2014 and went back into the new year minus those that did.. And there was little to no attempt to replace. We just figured we were good.

As normal, our self-scouting abilities failed.

That's why I said I suppose..... You left out the part where you mocked Carter and now you are mocking the staff for letting him go. Very political but still.....

Your jabberwocky is giving me a headache. Have a great night!

 

[Stash]

I have read over the diatribe the troll fans have devolved too. Hope you can enjoy your season. Good luck with that.I'll have reading the screams

I'll differences aside, I hope you enjoy the upcoming season too.

 

[Stash]

Give me a break. Irregardless of Manning's performances during the early year, he led them to the playoffs, a number one seed, and now the SB. Meanwhile Garrett has Weeden et al.

Stop it!

Yeah, "irregardless of Manning's performance".

Do statements made like this not occur to folks before they type them?

And Garrett has "Weeden et al" because Garrett approved of them. Again, part of the problem, not some hero fighting against the evil empire.

 

[KJJ]

Wow did you figure that out all by yourself or did Jerry help you?

Does that sound like Jerry? Me and Jerry don't think alike if he thought like me the Cowboys would have at least 3 more championships and would be in serious SB contention every year.

 

[DandyDon52]

Teams loaded up on the run in 2015 because they knew we could not pass effectively. Even still we ran the ball as well as 2014 despite teams knowing it was coming. That is actually very remarkable.

They also played the shorter passes. We had very little offense last year and that's why we lost all those games. If you can't throw the ball esp at least the intermediate passes then you are doomed. Our offense in 2014 took what the defense gave them and they had to play our offense honestly. Why you can't understand this mystifies me.

Three times a bit above nothing is still just a bit. You do realize that right. The lack of turnovers by the defense was systemic not local. We averaged 0.7 takeaways per game. The league average was 1.4 or twice as many. Car had nearly 3 a game.

People speak in generalities and since you have no answer you deflect into the weeds. This is typical of you Alexander. The very fact you are pointing at three players of whom only one started for a bad team speaks volumes for your debating prowess. I suppose your argument is that dumbarse Jerry should have kept them. Or is it a poor answer is better than none?

And the very idea of you bemoaning the loss of Carter and Durant when you mocked them somehow makes irony seem an inadequate word.

Teams did not load up or have 9 in the box as I have seen some say, usually it is 5 guys who rush the passer or stop the run initially.

I just looked at a play in buffalo game where our back was tackled in backfield, and the reason was our guys pulled to side run
was going to go, and they left 2 DL unblocked, and 1 had a free path to the RB. It was just a bad blocking scheme.

About the 3 guys Alexander brought up, they had 17 of the 34 TO's last year.
So no matter how they did elsewhere, it apparently had a effect here.
Now it is possible had we kept them we still would be low in TO's, but it is also possible we would have had more.

I dont think the FO or coaches were aware of those guys having 1/2 of the TO's, and felt they were not worth
keeping even for depth.
A bad offense and marinelli's scheme this year could also factor in with the low TO's
Our guys just dont play the QB or the ball, it is catch and tackle mostly.

 

[rwalters31]

RGIII can be a fine pocket passer. He need a legitimate running game and a deep threat to be effective, like most QBs in the league.



Most of throws are from the pocket, on play action. There's a reason why there are a lot of guys running free in this highlight video, versus a 2015 Dallas Cowboys highlight video. The problem is that I don't know if he is right between the ears.

I would much rather take a chance on a guy who I have seen have success on the field, rather than a scrub like JFF.

A snowball has a better chance of surviving in hell than RG III being a good pocket passer!

 

[Zman5]

Most people would understand what I was saying. Have a good night.

Most people would understand what I'm trying to say also. Good night to you too.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

"Garrett's offense"

lol

I love @Amy50632

 

[Beast_from_East]

Or, we could try just getting a backup QB who doesn't suck, like we had for a few years with Kyle Orton, and then hope we don't lose our best WR and two of our three RBs and see how that goes.

See, the problem with that statement is that the same people who thought Weedon, Cassel, and Moore were good QBs are going to be selecting this new QB. And its not like these 3 QBs just showed up one day, the staff signed/traded for these guys and in Weeden's case, was on the roster for over 2 years.

Additionally, Weeden even got "Romo Wednesdays" to take reps with the first team offense and had been in the system for 2 consecutive years. Jerry even said that Weeden "threw the prettiest ball you have ever seen" and Garrett stood right there in practice watching him for 2 years and they all said he was good to go.

I watched Weeden for 10 min and could tell he sucked, but yet Garrett and company had 2 years of watching him every day, even taking reps with the first team offense, and they couldn't tell he sucked? And yet these are the guys that are going to evaluate the new QB, even though they have failed miserably at previous QB evaluations? Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Wrong.Cowboys need a QB who can overcome Garretts offense which does the Qb no favors in terms of scheme and simply relies on 1 on 1 match ups.We either need to draft the top Qb with most talent or ride one more year with Robo Romo .

That's pretty much it bro, we basically need a QB that can play sandlot ball in this offense and win off his individual talent level.

That means either Romo or a top 5 QB.

 

[Idgit]

See, the problem with that statement is that the same people who thought Weedon, Cassel, and Moore were good QBs are going to be selecting this new QB. And its not like these 3 QBs just showed up one day, the staff signed/traded for these guys and in Weeden's case, was on the roster for over 2 years.

Additionally, Weeden even got "Romo Wednesdays" to take reps with the first team offense and had been in the system for 2 consecutive years. Jerry even said that Weeden "threw the prettiest ball you have ever seen" and Garrett stood right there in practice watching him for 2 years and they all said he was good to go.

I watched Weeden for 10 min and could tell he sucked, but yet Garrett and company had 2 years of watching him every day, even taking reps with the first team offense, and they couldn't tell he sucked? And yet these are the guys that are going to evaluate the new QB, even though they have failed miserably at previous QB evaluations? Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

They probably knew there was a possible hole in their roster there with Weeden. There just aren't enough decent backups to go around. You'll notice he was picked up and put in the starting roster by another team pretty quick. That speaks more to the dearth of good QBs than it does to teams miss evaluating them to me.

 

[mattjames2010]

A snowball has a better chance of surviving in hell than RG III being a good pocket passer!

Wasn't RGIII's numbers pretty good inside the pocket his first two years in the league? He also didn't look bad in the pro style offense in 2014, he looked capable of something you can improve upon.

 

[Beast_from_East]

By not a fluke I mean they didn't luck into it. It is not an outlier. This year is and most everyone knows why.

I assign success to the entire organization not Garrett. I find pointing fingers fruitless.

8-8
8-8
8-8
12-4......made playoffs
4-12

To make the playoffs only 1 time in 5 seasons is not a sign of success, thus questioning the direction the team is headed after this track record is not pointing fingers either, its simply holding people accountable for the results they have produced.

 

[Beast_from_East]

You mean, you don't buy the argument that a team that can't win with no Dez, not enough defensive support, and Weeden/Cassel/Moore can only win with Tony Romo? And that that's all because of the scheme for some reason? Tough crowd.

1-11 ?

No, the team should not have been that bad................both Stephen and Jerry have admitted that we should have found ways to win more games with the talent we had on the roster and that they were both at a loss to explain losing every single game.

Troy Aikman also said during some of the game telecasts that "you cant blame losing this many games soley on Romo being gone".

So I guess that tough crowd includes both owners of the team as well as a the face of the franchise during the glory years.

 

[Alexander]

They probably knew there was a possible hole in their roster there with Weeden. There just aren't enough decent backups to go around. You'll notice he was picked up and put in the starting roster by another team pretty quick. That speaks more to the dearth of good QBs than it does to teams miss evaluating them to me.

All the more reason to grab one at the 4th choice.

Minimize the chance of error.