News: Cowboys Not Averse To Taking Some Risks During Offseason, Free Agency

[Toruk_Makto]

No, he and his son are not football guys...a REAL football guy would not be making the decisions that he makes...NFL owner? sure...but, when was the last time you saw any other owner as the GM of their team? nope, they hire someone with ACTUAL experience to make the football related decisions....and, based on your comments, the more decades he and his don put in, the more "experience" that they have, it makes they football guys? nope.....these guys are fans, like you or me...they just happen to have billions of dollars laying around so they can buy their shiny toy (the cowboys)

Jerry didn't spend billions on the Cowboys.

Jerry may have final call but he generally leaves the football stuff to his staff.

I find it ironic that all the angst about the backup qb situation...and it was Jerry himself who tried to address it with a premium pick a few years back....and he was mocked for it.

 

[Fredd]

Jerry didn't spend billions on the Cowboys.

Jerry may have final call but he generally leaves the football stuff to his staff.

I find it ironic that all the angst about the backup qb situation...and it was Jerry himself who tried to address it with a premium pick a few years back....and he was mocked for it.

I hope to God that you don't mean Manziel? Please say that you don't mean a premium pick (1st round) on that punk who has proven that he is a nitwit, if you do mean that, then you are making my point for me

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

No, he and his son are not football guys...a REAL football guy would not be making the decisions that he makes...NFL owner? sure...but, when was the last time you saw any other owner as the GM of their team? nope, they hire someone with ACTUAL experience to make the football related decisions....and, based on your comments, the more decades he and his don put in, the more "experience" that they have, it makes they football guys? nope.....these guys are fans, like you or me...they just happen to have billions of dollars laying around so they can buy their shiny toy (the cowboys)

lol. Jerry has over 25 years NFL GM experience, but he isn't a football guy. Too funny. Just say BAD football guy (you're opinion). He has done some good things as a GM, and like all GM's, bad things.

 

[Fredd]

lol. Jerry has over 25 years NFL GM experience, but he isn't a football guy. Too funny. Just say BAD football guy (you're opinion). He has done some good things as a GM, and like all GM's, bad things.

I still put him in the "fan" category...sure, he has experience, but he has a job for 25 years where his ego won't fire "him" for his lack of football know-how....he is playing fantasy football and a perfect example is trying to sign flashy names like Manziel although even the lowly and pathetic Cleveland Browns realized just how much of a mistake that they made...they are only holding on to him because that is JJ's shiny penny and even THEY know that they can pull this over on him and get something in return (instead of just cutting him)...I have roughly 45 years of experience being a Cowboy fan, does that mean I should be their GM? I likely could do a MUCH better job with my "experience"

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I hope to God that you don't mean Manziel? Please say that you don't mean a premium pick (1st round) on that punk who has proven that he is a nitwit, if you do mean that, then you are making my point for me

Well yes. It was a good decision to not draft him in hindsight....but Manziel was rated as a first rounder...and it was Jerry wanting to spend a 1st on a QB.

And no i'm not proving your point....Jerry wanted Manziel...the football people....wanted Martin.

So as I said...Jerry isn't running things.

 

[Risen Star]

No, he and his son are not football guys...a REAL football guy would not be making the decisions that he makes...NFL owner? sure...but, when was the last time you saw any other owner as the GM of their team? nope, they hire someone with ACTUAL experience to make the football related decisions....and, based on your comments, the more decades he and his don put in, the more "experience" that they have, it makes they football guys? nope.....these guys are fans, like you or me...they just happen to have billions of dollars laying around so they can buy their shiny toy (the cowboys)

Fredd, you glorious *******.

Let's form a wolfpack.

 

[Eddie]

Jerry's history of trying to prove that he's a maverick football owner has proven to be quite a failure. 2 playoff wins in the past 20 years proves that point.

I have no faith in Jerry's ability to right this ship.

The Cowboys are not his personal fantasy football team. It belongs to the people of America !!!

 

[plasticman]

Jerry Jones could have spent 25 thousand years as his self appointed GM....and he still wouldn't be a football guy.

Jerry Jones will NEVER be a football guy.

Who in this forum believed that Jerry Jones earned the position of GM by rising through each level of personnel management starting as a scout or starting as an assistant coach after retiring from his own NFL career?

Give me the name of any other NFL team that would have granted him an interview back in 1990 when he assumed the title of Cowboy GM without a formal announcement.

Even if we were to entertain the ridiculous perception that Jerry Jones is a legitimate football guy, someone tell me that the last 20 yeas results indicate that he has the right to be the longest tenured GM in the NFL.

How many GM recently got fired? How many GM's and Head Coaches were forced to step down, despite Super Bowl resumes. Their championships were far, FAR more recent than the ones that Jerry laughingly claims as his effort.

Dont confuse Jerry Jones the owner with Jerry Jones the GM. The owner deserves credit in 1989 for getting Jimmy Johnson to choose the Cowboys out of his very numerous
offers.

Go ahead, tell me it was Jerry that built the dynasty, that he even dared to overrule a single Jimmy Johnson decision.. Convince me it wasn't the Head Coach of one of the most dominating college champions in history. Give me your rationale for believing it was a guy with zero coaching or football management excperience, instead of one of the most dominating talent evaluators and recruiters in college sports. Do you have any idea how many #1 NFL draft choices were guys that Jimmy signed to a college scholarship?

If Jerry Jones bought a five star restaurant does that make him a gourmet chef? He might take that title and convince you until his best chefs walk and we are fooled into eating his swill.

Who would hire Stephen Jones as an NFL executive? LOL, if he were unemployed and tried to call the other 31 teams they wouldn't even pick up the phone.

The Cowboys have been in this vicious cycle for 20 years. They get competitive and Jerry Jones begins pushing everyone out of the way to make sure the cameras are in him. Then he begins to put his "stamp" on the team. He destroys the team with frightening efficiency
It only took him 4 seasons to eradicate what should have been a 12-15 year dynasty.

Then, from the moment Parcells walked away in total discust to the 2010 Packer defeat that turned Jerry into a stuttering old fool, he managed to takes a team with a record 13 pro Bowlers one season and squander years of opportunity with his poor decisions in coaches and personnel.

And now, despite assurances that Jerry Jones was on a leash and he was deferring to coaches, scouts and his son, you knew he couldn't behave himself forever, no, not when the team improved. 2015 was "The Triumphant Return of Jerry".

He couldn't wait to cut the heart out of core of offensive players that had found something special. So long, Murray. That whole "pay your own productive guys" didn't apply to him.

But Jerry couldn't resist bending over for yet, another selfish receiver intent on breaking the bank and reducing the ability to retain more elements of last seasons team chemistry.

Do you honestly believe that it was Jason Garrett who traded for Cassell and cut a quarterback that couldn't overcome the loss of the #1 receiver and, save for the 1st quarter, total ineptitude of Jerry annointed RB starter. The guy lost to two undeafeated teams with half the defense either hurt or suspended.In the third game he brings the team back in the 4th quarter to send the game into overtime, only to never step on the field because they lost the toss. So the 9th ranked quarterback with the best completion rate at the time was cut. They instructed Weeden to play conservatively and he got cut for following those instructions.

Klepto Joe's double implosion, off and on the field just add to Jerry's legendary prowess as a football guy. We are talking about the guy who justified a low contract to Emmitt Smith in 1993 by informing us that Emmitt was a luxury, not a necessity.

I could go on for ten more pages but I don't want to delay any moderator's obligation to transfer this thread the Rant Zone......which was both predictable and unavoidable when anybody suggests that Jerry Jones has even a shred of credibility as a football guy.

 

[Fredd]

Jerry Jones could have spent 25 thousand years as his self appointed GM....and he still wouldn't be a football guy.

Jerry Jones will NEVER be a football guy.

Who in this forum believed that Jerry Jones earned the position of GM by rising through each level of personnel management starting as a scout or starting as an assistant coach after retiring from his own NFL career?

Give me the name of any other NFL team that would have granted him an interview back in 1990 when he assumed the title of Cowboy GM without a formal announcement.

Even if we were to entertain the ridiculous perception that Jerry Jones is a legitimate football guy, someone tell me that the last 20 yeas results indicate that he has the right to be the longest tenured GM in the NFL.

How many GM recently got fired? How many GM's and Head Coaches were forced to step down, despite Super Bowl resumes. Their championships were far, FAR more recent than the ones that Jerry laughingly claims as his effort.

Dont confuse Jerry Jones the owner with Jerry Jones the GM. The owner deserves credit in 1989 for getting Jimmy Johnson to choose the Cowboys out of his very numerous
offers.

Go ahead, tell me it was Jerry that built the dynasty, that he even dared to overrule a single Jimmy Johnson decision.. Convince me it wasn't the Head Coach of one of the most dominating college champions in history. Give me your rationale for believing it was a guy with zero coaching or football management excperience, instead of one of the most dominating talent evaluators and recruiters in college sports. Do you have any idea how many #1 NFL draft choices were guys that Jimmy signed to a college scholarship?

If Jerry Jones bought a five star restaurant does that make him a gourmet chef? He might take that title and convince you until his best chefs walk and we are fooled into eating his swill.

Who would hire Stephen Jones as an NFL executive? LOL, if he were unemployed and tried to call the other 31 teams they wouldn't even pick up the phone.

The Cowboys have been in this vicious cycle for 20 years. They get competitive and Jerry Jones begins pushing everyone out of the way to make sure the cameras are in him. Then he begins to put his "stamp" on the team. He destroys the team with frightening efficiency
It only took him 4 seasons to eradicate what should have been a 12-15 year dynasty.

Then, from the moment Parcells walked away in total discust to the 2010 Packer defeat that turned Jerry into a stuttering old fool, he managed to takes a team with a record 13 pro Bowlers one season and squander years of opportunity with his poor decisions in coaches and personnel.

And now, despite assurances that Jerry Jones was on a leash and he was deferring to coaches, scouts and his son, you knew he couldn't behave himself forever, no, not when the team improved. 2015 was "The Triumphant Return of Jerry".

He couldn't wait to cut the heart out of core of offensive players that had found something special. So long, Murray. That whole "pay your own productive guys" didn't apply to him.

But Jerry couldn't resist bending over for yet, another selfish receiver intent on breaking the bank and reducing the ability to retain more elements of last seasons team chemistry.

Do you honestly believe that it was Jason Garrett who traded for Cassell and cut a quarterback that couldn't overcome the loss of the #1 receiver and, save for the 1st quarter, total ineptitude of Jerry annointed RB starter. The guy lost to two undeafeated teams with half the defense either hurt or suspended.In the third game he brings the team back in the 4th quarter to send the game into overtime, only to never step on the field because they lost the toss. So the 9th ranked quarterback with the best completion rate at the time was cut. They instructed Weeden to play conservatively and he got cut for following those instructions.

Klepto Joe's double implosion, off and on the field just add to Jerry's legendary prowess as a football guy. We are talking about the guy who justified a low contract to Emmitt Smith in 1993 by informing us that Emmitt was a luxury, not a necessity.

I could go on for ten more pages but I don't want to delay any moderator's obligation to transfer this thread the Rant Zone......which was both predictable and unavoidable when anybody suggests that Jerry Jones has even a shred of credibility as a football guy.

had to get my "like" in before this is moved...how can we put more "likes" on this?

 

[Bullflop]

Jerry doesn't evaluate the talent.

If you REALLY think that, perhaps you haven't been paying attention for quite some time. Others enter into the picture, of course but don't kid yourself that he doesn't either have a strong voice in it, as well as the last word.

Granted, Stephen and Will McClay have taken added responsibility for talent evaluation and acquisition in recent years but Jerry's input is still securely intact, make no mistake about it. Just because he's not good at it doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't have a strong voice in what's being said and done in that area.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I still put him in the "fan" category...sure, he has experience, but he has a job for 25 years where his ego won't fire "him" for his lack of football know-how....he is playing fantasy football and a perfect example is trying to sign flashy names like Manziel although even the lowly and pathetic Cleveland Browns realized just how much of a mistake that they made...they are only holding on to him because that is JJ's shiny penny and even THEY know that they can pull this over on him and get something in return (instead of just cutting him)...I have roughly 45 years of experience being a Cowboy fan, does that mean I should be their GM? I likely could do a MUCH better job with my "experience"

I didn't know Jerry was trying to sign Manziel. Browns must have talked to you directly, since you are the only one who knows what makes a football guy.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

If you REALLY think that, perhaps you haven't been paying attention for quite some time. Others enter into the picture, of course but don't kid yourself that he doesn't either have a strong voice in it, as well as the last word.

Granted, Stephen and Will McClay have taken added responsibility for talent evaluation and acquisition in recent years but Jerry's input is still securely intact, make no mistake about it. Just because he's not good at it doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't have a strong voice in what's being said and done in that area.

Hmmmm how do I say this more clearly?

Jerry isn't watching film into the early hours and looking at talent on practice squads across the league.

 

[Sydla]

I hope to God that you don't mean Manziel? Please say that you don't mean a premium pick (1st round) on that punk who has proven that he is a nitwit, if you do mean that, then you are making my point for me

But the scenario shows that Jones doesn't necessarily make the final decision and get what he wants. If Jerry was the one making the final decision, Manziel would be screwing up here and Martin would be road paving DTs in another city.

That being said, I think they are making a massive mistake and putting way too much into loyalty to Garrett. Jones waxes on about the glory days with Aikman and Emmitt and Michael and Garrett is a link to that era. They are too blinded by nostalgia and loyalty to realize that they wasted and will waste Romo's last few good years being coached by what is no more than a barely average head coach.

 

[Bullflop]

Hmmmm how do I say this more clearly? Jerry isn't watching film into the early hours and looking at talent on practice squads across the league.

Yes, while it's true he doesn't perform the identical duties of a scout, nevertheless, he actively decides with the help of many, such as coaches and others, who is worthy of player positions and who isn't. If that's not being actively involved in the evaluation as well as the hiring process, nothing is. He has also been known to ignore the advice of others, only to exact his own preferences upon various occasions. I'm certainly not the one who declared him as the GM -- he did that on his own.

 

[Fredd]

I didn't know Jerry was trying to sign Manziel. Browns must have talked to you directly, since you are the only one who knows what makes a football guy.

let me guess, the "J" in your name is for "Jones" you defending ol' drunk Jerry? that's sweet....

 

[Junglist]

Jerry didn't spend billions on the Cowboys.

Jerry may have final call but he generally leaves the football stuff to his staff.

I find it ironic that all the angst about the backup qb situation...and it was Jerry himself who tried to address it with a premium pick a few years back....and he was mocked for it.

Who?

 

[Beast_from_East]

maybe the risk he is talking about is brining that punk Manziel aboard and seeing how many fans he loses? will the ticket sales be off set by the jersey sales? that's risky

Too many Aggies in the state of Texas for that to happen.........if Manziel went to USC, nobody on this board would give a dam about him.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Too many Aggies in the state of Texas for that to happen.........if Manziel went to USC, nobody on this board would give a dam about him.

That's a pretty good point.

You know I never have lived in the state of Texas and while I think I've got a handle on things generally I have never understood the whole A&M thing. They get mocked and are really hated, but I don't understand why. I never hear it about Texas Tech or Baylor.

 

[gimmesix]

Jerry's history of trying to prove that he's a maverick football owner has proven to be quite a failure. 2 playoff wins in the past 20 years proves that point.

I have no faith in Jerry's ability to right this ship.

The Cowboys are not his personal fantasy football team. It belongs to the people of America !!!

Sadly, that isn't true. We can stop watching his fantasy football team if we want, but he bought it and can do what he wants with it.

Now, I believe that he wants to win ... badly, just not badly enough to give up the GM reins to accomplish it. Jerry's delusion is that he believes he's a football guy and can get it done his way, and I truly believe he'll go to the grave thinking that.

 

[Cowboys20]

Let's all play the powerball tomorrow, win, and force JJ to sell. What say you? Anyone know the odds of winning tomorrow?