News: Cowboys offensive struggles due to drop-off in OL play/OL Coach

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I think some of us talked about this last year. It appeared on the surface that something was just a little off with the line. I'm hoping they figured out the issue.

The issue is Doug Free...And our TEs don't block. Fix that....Then we could be dangerous. Until then....We are one hit away on Romo courtesy of Doug Free from being a less than sub par team.:rolleyes:

That's our biggest weakness right now.

I'm shocked we haven't been trying harder to fix this problem. But it just goes to show....management has it's favorites...regardless how bad they are.:(
 

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Doug Free was horrible.....and I'd hold off on that extention to Frederick. He's good.... but he isn't worth 9 million a year.:rolleyes:

When we added Frederick is when we started playing better on the OL. He came in as a rookie making line calls. ....our centers before couldn't. Frederick is the best center in the league and we really need to see the market. He will get more then any other center
 

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Got some of it from Frederick last summer who said the OL needs to stay grounded that there's still work to be done when responding to all the praise the OL was receiving. The OL did receive a lot of props after the the 2014 season that had many calling our OL the best in the league. There did appear to be a drop-off in the OL's play last season, a thread was even started about it during the season. When you receive as much anointing oil as our OL has it could result in some complacency.

He said it in response to La'el's comments about being the best OL in the history of the NFL.

If you listen to frederick's weekly interviews, you can tell that they stayed grounded. Or La'el's interview on the Fan.

I mean, these guys were still working out together after the season was over (see Thornton's comments).

And of course, Tyron has that whole 'perfectionist' reputation.

There really is no reason to think these guys got full of themselves other than wild, wild speculation.
 

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The issue is Doug Free...And our TEs don't block. Fix that....Then we could be dangerous. Until then....We are one hit away on Romo courtesy of Doug Free from being a less than sub par team.:rolleyes:

That's our biggest weakness right now.

I'm shocked we haven't been trying harder to fix this problem. But it just goes to show....management has it's favorites...regardless how bad they are.:(

Just like you have a favorite, regardless of how bad he is.
 

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He said it in response to La'el's comments about being the best OL in the history of the NFL.

If you listen to frederick's weekly interviews, you can tell that they stayed grounded. Or La'el's interview on the Fan.

I mean, these guys were still working out together after the season was over (see Thornton's comments).

And of course, Tyron has that whole 'perfectionist' reputation.

There really is no reason to think these guys got full of themselves other than wild, wild speculation.

Collins comments were a result of all the talk he heard about the OL and some of the comparisons made to the Great Wall of Dallas of the 90s. Our OLs performance last season probably had more to do with not having Murray back there. There has to be some continuity/chemistry between a back and their OL and Murray had grown with this OL. One area our OL has to improve in is pass protection where they weren't ranked as high as they were in run blocking.
 

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Collins comments were a result of all the talk he heard about the OL and some of the comparisons made to the Great Wall of Dallas of the 90s. Our OLs performance last season probably had more to do with not having Murray back there. There has to be some continuity/chemistry between a back and their OL and Murray had grown with this OL. One area our OL has to improve in is pass protection where they weren't ranked as high as they were in run blocking.

I'm 100% convinced you don't even really pay attention to the team, you just post here to TMZ your way into threads because you need attention.

Look at me everyone!!!
 

KJJ

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I'm 100% convinced you don't even really pay attention to the team, you just post here to TMZ your way into threads because you need attention.

Look at me everyone!!!

I'm 100% convinced you don't know what you're talking about. Go find one of your virtual friends and cry to them.
 

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Dallas led the league in fewest pressures (that's per dropback), with quarterbacks who all took longer than average to get the ball out. McFadden was the 4th-leading rusher in the NFL. The time of the Cowboys' average possession ranked 3rd in the league. The offense didn't struggle to pass protect, and didn't struggle to run the ball or control the clock. It struggled to score touchdowns, especially from outside the red zone.

Dallas Touchdowns
from Inside/Outside Red Zone
2006 35/12
2007 33/17
2008 26/15
2009 26/14
2010 29/10
2011 25/13
2012 22/15
2013 35/10
2014 33/20
2015 20/4

That's not the OL, it's the QB.

I agree. I asked someone to tell me how many TDs we produced last year and they ignored me. Not on the OL.

However, I have zero problem with believing the pros who DID notice a downturn. I suspect it was enough to notice but was just overshadowed by the horrendous QB play.

I'm not worried about the OL although they may not quite be the same under Pollack. I suppose we'll see how it affects the offense. We should score almost 30 PPG with a decent defense, TO Diff, and STs play.
 

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The OL played well last year. They started slow and weren't quite as sharp as the previous season but there were several factors that went into that.

1. When a new OL coach comes along, there is always a lag from what they will be in time. It was the same for Callahan in Washington. His units always start taking off in year two after getting acclimated to what he wants in his first season as OL coach.

Now, Pollock was kept so the transition would be relatively seamless from Bill to him... however, the transition is never really seamless when going from one coach to another. So I would expect an improvement this year, even if the only change was going from year one to year two of Pollock/Columbo. However, the additional factors listed below also hampered Pollock in his first year as OL coach.

2. Dallas didn't have the RB position straightened out, even though they thought they did. Randle simply did what he wanted to do and wasn't very good at playing within the blocking scheme. He broke off a few big runs because he didn't do what he was supposed to do and it caught defenses by surprise a few times. Plus, Randle is a bonafied idiot, which frankly, never helps. McFadden simply isn't that good either and Micheal/Turbin were castoff players who didn't really even know the system at all last year. Plus, Micheal is a bonafied idiot, which again, never helps.

3. McFadden had some issues running the Cowboys preferred zone blocking scheme. Some say the Cowboys changed their blocking scheme to fin McFadden, while some others say they didn't. I think that Dallas runs both man and zone and likes to do so because doing both at a reasonably high level creates all kinds of problems for the defense. So, IMO, they ran a lot more man than they wanted to because of McFadden's better play in that blocking scheme.

So, while the team might not have changed the blocking scheme from zone to man... I think that they ran a whole lot more man and a whole lot less zone than they wanted to. They wanted to be a zone team that was capable of running man effectively. Instead they were a man blocking team that ran zone sometimes.

Regardless of if you want to call it a scheme change or merely a deviation from what they wanted to do... either way it complicated things for Pollock and the OL a lot. It doesn't take much to throw off a unit that is comprised of 5 players (and a RB)... and this no doubt hurt the OL's ability to relax, play and dominate.

This factor was pretty big, IMO.

3. Health and trying to stay healthy. Martin missed most of camp with his neck injury, which undoubtedly hurt the timing of the unit early on in the season. Plus, the starters got very little actual play-time in preseason games, so they had to play their way to cohesiveness if the first part of 2015.

Timing is important for any RB and their OL but is even more vital for a zone team. By the time the OL had enough snaps together, the guy who had all the starter reps in camp was off the team and McFadden had to create the timing with the OL in mid-season.

4. La'el Collins had to get used to playing and working with Smith, Frederick and the whole line, as well as having to work his way through timing issues and being a rookie. Even without all of the above reasons, taking one starter out (Leary) and putting another in (Collins) who is a rookie would cause some discombobulation on that unit, every time.

5. QB play was horrific and it effected every facet of the franchise.

If you put all of that together, it is easy to see why there might have been a little fall-off from 2014 to 2015.
Actually, these things are reason for optimism this year.

1. Pollock and Columbo will be in year-2 and should be better. Everything is always easier in the second season.

2. The team will have Ezekiel Elliott this year, instead of Randle (talk about a monumental upgrade). He will make the line better, just by himself. Elliott is a terrific runner in a zone blocking scheme. He is not only super talented, but he will do what the scheme and coaches call for him to do. He will find the hole and he is talented enough to do some damage when he gets there.

3. Health is one thing that the team can't control really, so all we can do is hope for the best with injuries.

4. Collins was playing at a higher level as the season wore on. This season he should be much easier for Collins. Now he has a year working next to Smith and Frederick and should be comfortable with his assignments. He will be much improved over last year and much, much improved from his first few starts last year. He already was physically bludgeoning defenders... and becoming a more consistent player will make the entire line better.

5. Romo is back and healthy and hopefully will be able to stay that way.

So really, four of the five reasons that I listed above are likely going to be spots where the OL can improve. That should really scare the rest of the NFL.
 

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Not having as talented a back in the backfield didn't help the OL. A back can also make an OL look good. I also think the OL got fat and happy reading all the press clippings and hearing everyone tell them how great they were. When you start making comparisons between this OL and the Great Wall of Dallas that's going a little overboard.

That total BS, this group has consistency said "we haven't proven anything yet" they even scolded l'collins for suggesting such. This the hardest working group on the team.
It was a combination of several negatives ; coach ,injuries, no Murray
But fat and happy is a ridiculous
Statement
 

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The drop in OL play seems overdramatized. They were still ranked #1 by PFF

Just about every metric possible points to the O-Line being #1.

I think Martin's play dropped a bit early on due to being banged up and there was a learning curve for Collins. But other than that, by the end of the year the O-Line was still the best in the league.

Also remember that Witten's blocking dropped off quite a bit and Hanna had some issues with injuries as well.




YR
 

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The issue is Doug Free...And our TEs don't block. Fix that....Then we could be dangerous. Until then....We are one hit away on Romo courtesy of Doug Free from being a less than sub par team.:rolleyes:

That's our biggest weakness right now.

I'm shocked we haven't been trying harder to fix this problem. But it just goes to show....management has it's favorites...regardless how bad they are.:(

Im curious have you watched this team play before? Doug Free is the leader on the offensive line, he runs the room.
 

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Dallas led the league in fewest pressures (that's per dropback), with quarterbacks who all took longer than average to get the ball out. McFadden was the 4th-leading rusher in the NFL. The time of the Cowboys' average possession ranked 3rd in the league. The offense didn't struggle to pass protect, and didn't struggle to run the ball or control the clock. It struggled to score touchdowns, especially from outside the red zone.

Dallas Touchdowns
from Inside/Outside Red Zone
2006 35/12
2007 33/17
2008 26/15
2009 26/14
2010 29/10
2011 25/13
2012 22/15
2013 35/10
2014 33/20
2015 20/4

That's not the OL, it's the QB.

Granted it's a small sample size...but the offense wasn't very good even when Romo was playing last year...before or after his first collarbone injury last season
 

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The line play did drop off, however these things never happen in a vacuum in football. It's impossible to measure how much of that was due to their own poor play, be it technique or confusion, and how much of it was due to teams loading up the LOS and not trusting the Cowboys quarterbacks. It doesn't matter who you have on the offensive line, if teams consistently put more defenders on the line than you have blockers, it's going to cause havoc. The onus was on Garrett and Linehan to alter the offense and gameplans to take counteract what teams were doing. They were unsuccessful and because of it, the offensive line simply didn't play consistently.

I really don't like to advocate pretending 2015 didn't happen, but if anyone on this team deserves a pass, it's the offensive line. They started a rookie, albeit very talented LG and Doug Free took half a season to really look comfortable and even then, he was clearly a little slow laterally.
 

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But I find it hard to believe they pinned the offense struggling strictly on the OL.

The coaches never said that. Even the article writer never said that. The only place it says that is in the thread title lol...
 

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ok so if Free was that bad

9 pen

50 yards

8 false starts

1 holding

4 sacks

how come he starts ?

who you going to replace him with ?

sure it be great to have 5 all pro guys - but come on
 
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