Cowboys Oline and Randle

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Now that we have some roster spots open, I'm hoping C-Mike is activated so our RBBC is complete. We sorely lack the power-type of RB that can get the tough yards when needed. The staff must assuredly be testing his capabilities in the pass blocking area at this juncture. His inclusion in the RB corps is more of a necessity than a luxury at this point. Here's hoping he shows enough in his pass blocking to encourage the staff to activate him in a timely manner.

Yep....DIRTY yards. Randle is too small, DMC is big enough but frankly just NOT physical and Dunbar is a passing threat. Don't see him getting too many carries. Looks like they'll add a WR like Gates, activate CM (hopefully) and probably cut L. Whitehead
 

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The thing that stands out about Randle to me is he is easy to bring down.

B/w the tackles..he doesn't break any tackles and the first guy to touch him stops him.

He runs better off tackle and on the edge.

Which makes him too similar to Dunbar.

I'd prefer to see more DMac b/w the tackles.

Agree, I think Randle is to "small" and easy to go down...DMac seems like a more physical back (although injury prone) and harder to tackle, I would love to see more of him against the iggles.
 

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Agree, but the problem is that with Dez out opponents are going to stack the line of scrimmage. It will be harder, not easier, than it was Sunday.

Probably true.

But what we saw Sunday night was Dallas went about attacking the edge of the defense with quick screens and passes to the backs isolating LBERS in coverage.

Same with the TEs..Witten and Escobar.

Attacked the LBERS all night.

So if they stack the middle with safeties and LBers..

8 in the box..

Seems like we have an answer.

Romo had all night to throw Sunday Night.

Pass blocking was really outstanding.

We'll see but I think we will spring some big plays with or without Dez.

It's the defense I'm more concerned about and special teams.

We had alot of trouble with kick returns all summer.

Don't know if that is shore up now or what.
 

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Now that we have some roster spots open, I'm hoping C-Mike is activated so our RBBC is complete. We sorely lack the power-type of RB that can get the tough yards when needed. The staff must assuredly be testing his capabilities in the pass blocking area at this juncture. His inclusion in the RB corps is more of a necessity than a luxury at this point. Here's hoping he shows enough in his pass blocking to encourage the staff to activate him in a timely manner.

Please let us know what 3rd and short running plays failed to get a first down in the Giants game. I'll be waiting.
 

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Please let us know what 3rd and short running plays failed to get a first down in the Giants game. I'll be waiting.

Good Lord, that's extremely presumptuous. I don't do homework for others. Anytime you require info to argue, you should look it up yourself. If you're too lazy, you have the right to keep waiting.
 
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The team took a giant leap forward when it put the coaches it had in the right positions to be successful. Yes, having the play calling off his plate took something where Garrett did not give us an advantage and turned it into something that was an advantage. But the flip side of that was that it also freed him up to manage the entire team. We saw every area of the team improve last year, not just the offense. It's because we were using our coaching resources better, not because Garrett was doing less.

And he *is* most definitely a personnel guy. His father was a scout for forever, and Garrett paid a ton of attention when he took over to both revamping the personnel in the scouting department and into redoing the way the scouting and coaching staffs interact. He talked about it a lot at the time, too. He also started the process of much more aggressively churning the bottom of the roster and of promoting younger player into starting positions when they earned them. He started us relying on the scouts to find replacement players for guys like Ware and Murray when we never had done that before. In fact, it's night and day different the way we go about personnel acquisition between Wade and Garrett. Honestly, I can't believe that's not obvious to you.

But you already know I think your read on how coaching works in this league and specifically for the Cowboys is half-baked. Maybe quarter-baked. That's not going to change until your opinion changes. But to tie this all back to your OP, yes, I do think that Garrett and company made the right call betting on the OL and not extending a RB who was right at the mileage mark where the wheels fell off. It was another in a long line of good decisions we've made since Jason took over.

Yah, well, you can spin that any way you want. And 100% Garrett was doing less. The moment he got away from the offense this team blossomed. He was a terrible play caller, pass happy, coached scared, and certainly couldnt manage the team the way a real head coach should. Garrett getting kicked to the curb from the offensive side of the ball was 7 years coming. He had no business coaching the offense. We saw 7 years of him butcher the talent that he had.

And the defensive side of the ball started to come together for two reasons:

Marinelli around for a 2nd year and running the football keeping them fresh and off the field more. Garrett only looked good because the team was winning.

Less Garrett=better football team and 6 more wins. If Garrett REALLY needed to be AWAY from the offense to figure out that we needed to run the ball more, then he is a fool to begin with. Most Cowboy fans could see that sitting at home. Im also sure that Jerry and Steven saw it and were probably hammering him to run it more with this revamped line. He clearly couldnt do it on his own even when preaching about it. Nothing happened in that department until he was gone from the offense. Whether he instructed it or not.

You can spin the facts any way you want, but the proof is in the pudding and the results. Garrett fought the move away from the offense for several years. And you can deny that all you want as well. It was Jerry's call to make him run the offense also and then it was Jerry's call to get him away from it. Again, spin it any way you want in your little fantasy Garrett world.

Less Garrett=Better Cowboys Those are the facts.
 

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The team took a giant leap forward when it put the coaches it had in the right positions to be successful. Yes, having the play calling off his plate took something where Garrett did not give us an advantage and turned it into something that was an advantage. But the flip side of that was that it also freed him up to manage the entire team. We saw every area of the team improve last year, not just the offense. It's because we were using our coaching resources better, not because Garrett was doing less.

And he *is* most definitely a personnel guy. His father was a scout for forever, and Garrett paid a ton of attention when he took over to both revamping the personnel in the scouting department and into redoing the way the scouting and coaching staffs interact. He talked about it a lot at the time, too. He also started the process of much more aggressively churning the bottom of the roster and of promoting younger player into starting positions when they earned them. He started us relying on the scouts to find replacement players for guys like Ware and Murray when we never had done that before. In fact, it's night and day different the way we go about personnel acquisition between Wade and Garrett. Honestly, I can't believe that's not obvious to you.

But you already know I think your read on how coaching works in this league and specifically for the Cowboys is half-baked. Maybe quarter-baked. That's not going to change until your opinion changes. But to tie this all back to your OP, yes, I do think that Garrett and company made the right call betting on the OL and not extending a RB who was right at the mileage mark where the wheels fell off. It was another in a long line of good decisions we've made since Jason took over.

And he is absolutely 100% not a personnel guy. And we have seen quite clearly that he has little control over who comes and goes here. He wanted light, finesse lineman and that crashed and burned. He wanted Felix Jones as a first round pick and that crashed and burned. Garrett learning on the job cost this franchise 7 years of disappointment. Jerry Jones also said that quite clearly. Another fact you can try to spin.
 

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And he is absolutely 100% not a personnel guy. And we have seen quite clearly that he has little control over who comes and goes here. He wanted light, finesse lineman and that crashed and burned. He wanted Felix Jones as a first round pick and that crashed and burned. Garrett learning on the job cost this franchise 7 years of disappointment. Jerry Jones also said that quite clearly. Another fact you can try to spin.

You believe what you want to believe, for whatever imagined reasons you want to believe it. I'm not interested in trying to change your mind.

The facts are the facts and the proof is on display each week on the field. If you want to watch it all happen with your eyes closed and then tell us what you think you saw, be my guest.
 

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You believe what you want to believe, for whatever imagined reasons you want to believe it. I'm not interested in trying to change your mind.

The facts are the facts and the proof is on display each week on the field. If you want to watch it all happen with your eyes closed and then tell us what you think you saw, be my guest.

ha ha.....yes, the proof of the team that Clay drafted and Marinelli and Linehan now coach on Sundays is now out for display. I do give credit for Garrett keeping everyone lively and together. And he made a great choice in Linehan. But the team came together the moment he no longer ran the offense and the game day management of the team. That cannot be denied. 8-8 three years in a row, then miraculously 12-4.

If you cant see the difference between Linehan and Garrett running the offense, then I can help that. If you cant see the creativeness and use of personnel under Linehan that was not here under Garrett, then its not my fault. Linehan is light years ahead as coordinator than Garrett was.
 

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LOL...yet he did better than Murray. So that means what, Muddy REALLY must suck?

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Probably true.

But what we saw Sunday night was Dallas went about attacking the edge of the defense with quick screens and passes to the backs isolating LBERS in coverage.

Same with the TEs..Witten and Escobar.

Attacked the LBERS all night.

So if they stack the middle with safeties and LBers..

8 in the box..

Seems like we have an answer.

Romo had all night to throw Sunday Night.

Pass blocking was really outstanding.

We'll see but I think we will spring some big plays with or without Dez.

It's the defense I'm more concerned about and special teams.

We had alot of trouble with kick returns all summer.

Don't know if that is shore up now or what.

Yah, Im thinking that what teams are going to do is give up all that underneath stuff and just pound these backs when they catch the ball. Try to hurt them and cause the fumble. Dunbar seems prone to that. No big need to worry about the deep ball unless you are going to be scared of Williams. But I am sure Maxwell will be all over Williams this game after being embarrassed by Julio Jones last week. And this one is in Philly. Williams is no Julio Jones.

If Philly gets the lead and can stop the run and make us one dimensional, then they can really try to tee off on Romo. We will need to establish the run and if its not working be patient and stick with it. Play action will be one of the best way to get a big play.
 
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