Cowboys optimistic on signing Dak

[Typhus]

Well, really the reason they are happening isnt the cap in my opinion. Goff just isnt very good and Wentz was hated in the locker room and wanted out.

Cap is everything,, Im not debating that Goff and Wentz never lived up to expectations, but these movements are everything about the cap, and getting better for cheaper even if the initial cost off dead cap and draft picks seems overwhelming.
The cap can barely support 1 franchise QB if you want to win, you have to have the right QB that is what is being proven, its the build model that the smart teams are leaning on,, it didnt just start this year, its been a trend since Manning was the hired gun in Denver,,, but the movement at QB is escalated now, franchise QB pricing is through the roof, and teams are cutting bait with those cap killing contracts.

 

[phildadon86]

Cap is everything,, Im not debating that Goff and Wentz never lived up to expectations, but these movements are everything about the cap, and getting better for cheaper even if the initial cost off dead cap and draft picks seems overwhelming.
The cap can barely support 1 franchise QB if you want to win, you have to have the right QB that is what is being proven, its the build model that the smart teams are leaning on,, it didnt just start this year, its been a trend since Manning was the hired gun in Denver,,, but the movement at QB is escalated now, franchise QB pricing is through the roof, and teams are cutting bait with those cap killing contracts.

I created a thread about this. The only way to offset these QB costs is going to something like the NBA has with bird rights or a discount for signing your own drafted players. If this keeps up franchise QB's will be changing teams after 5 years and there is no benefit in drafting one.

 

[Typhus]

I created a thread about this. The only way to offset these QB costs is going to something like the NBA has with bird rights or a discount for signing your own drafted players. If this keeps up franchise QB's will be changing teams after 5 years and there is no benefit in drafting one.

I know the thread, I keep track...
and I agree, Ive always thought about that, there just needs to be a different tier in elevated salary, wouldnt performance based contracts be much better way than just because of round drafted and 2nd contract.

 

[Future]

Did they not want that deal a year ago? Sure they did and yet it did not happen. Nothing has changed. Don't get your expectations up, because the same incompetence that prevented the deal a year ago is still there now. Expect more of the same.

$31m tag. Different motivation.

 

[CATCH17]

Would love to see some examples here. I’ve got one, Tom Brady. Now your turn. Name an elite QB with this poor of a defense, average OL, underperforming RB, great receivers, and shoddy special teams play.

Rodgers? If you’re ok with playoff contention and that’s it.

Big Ben? Always had a stellar defense when they were perennial contenders.

Mahomes? He’s elite obviously but is Dak asking for a $100M?

Wilson? Always had a stellar defense when they were contenders.

Maybe I’m missing something and I’m not trying to be argumentative but when you say elite QBs carry their teams to the playoffs, I don’t see many sterling examples that are available to replace Dak.

Russell Wilson..

Mahomes until last year when they became ok at defense.

Brees got several OK defenses to post season.

Also, we’ve seen this defense play solid for Dak and it didn’t not matter.. A lot of good examples of that in 2019.. Defenses pitches a shutout and Dak can’t move the ball.

 

[Bizwah]

So, Dak won 8 games last year with a defense that wasn't historically bad.

Dalton won 5 games after taking over for Dak this year with a defense that was historically.

Dak was 1-3 (should've been 0-4). Dalton won at a higher pace this year then Dak did.

Do we really think Dak is worth 40+ million?

The bolded part bothers me.

I see people post similar things like: "If you take out Player A's 60 yard run..." or "he only gets garbage yards"....or "if you put him behind this OL".

Listen. Dak was 1-3. Saying he SHOULD'VE been 0-4 is ridiculous. The team fought back and got itself in a position to win at the end against Atlanta. Just like the other 3 games we simply didn't do enough....just like Atlanta didn't do enough to beat us.

One can just as easily say that we SHOULD have been 4-0 with Dak. McCarthy makes an ill-advised fourth down gamble instead of taking the game-tying FG. Dak hits Gallup on a bomb at the end of the game that was called back by a horrible penalty. We easily should have beaten the Rams. Dak puts up 31 points AT SEATTLE. We had a lead in the fourth quarter only to have the defense give up the ghost. We scored 39 freakin points vs the Browns. If the defense can make the play against OBJ in the fourth, we probably win that one.

Lots of "ifs" there....and "should'ves". No different to say that than to say Atlanta "should've" recovered the onside kick. They didn't. And we didn't do enough to win the other games.

Dak played his part in those losses to be sure. He also had us in position to win all of those games. The defense was bad all year, but it made progress toward the end of the season. Not much progress.....but it was better than it was the first four games.

 

[CATCH17]

Oh really?

So Aaron Rodgers wasn’t elite in McCarthy’s final 2 years in Green Bay.

And Drew Brees wasn’t elite when he went 7-9 for 3 straight years with the Saints.

Right?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

The bolded part bothers me.

I see people post similar things like: "If you take out Player A's 60 yard run..." or "he only gets garbage yards"....or "if you put him behind this OL".

Listen. Dak was 1-3. Saying he SHOULD'VE been 0-4 is ridiculous. The team fought back and got itself in a position to win at the end against Atlanta. Just like the other 3 games we simply didn't do enough....just like Atlanta didn't do enough to beat us.

One can just as easily say that we SHOULD have been 4-0 with Dak. McCarthy makes an ill-advised fourth down gamble instead of taking the game-tying FG. Dak hits Gallup on a bomb at the end of the game that was called back by a horrible penalty. We easily should have beaten the Rams. Dak puts up 31 points AT SEATTLE. We had a lead in the fourth quarter only to have the defense give up the ghost. We scored 39 freakin points vs the Browns. If the defense can make the play against OBJ in the fourth, we probably win that one.

Lots of "ifs" there....and "should'ves". No different to say that than to say Atlanta "should've" recovered the onside kick. They didn't. And we didn't do enough to win the other games.

Dak played his part in those losses to be sure. He also had us in position to win all of those games. The defense was bad all year, but it made progress toward the end of the season. Not much progress.....but it was better than it was the first four games.

Here's the facts. Dak lead the team to 1-3. Dalton lead the same team (actually less of a team because he was playing without Smith and Martin for the most part) to 5-5.

Dalton was winning at a higher pace then Dak. Do I believe Dalton is better? Absolutely not. Do I think that Daltons play somehow convinced the front office that Dak NEEDS to be paid 40+ million a year? Absolutely not.

 

[Typhus]

Here's the facts. Dak lead the team to 1-3. Dalton lead the same team (actually less of a team because he was playing without Smith and Martin for the most part) to 5-5.

Dalton was winning at a higher pace then Dak. Do I believe Dalton is better? Absolutely not. Do I think that Daltons play somehow convinced the front office that Dak NEEDS to be paid 40+ million a year? Absolutely not.

Your hitting the middle of the dart board early.

 

[CATCH17]

Your hitting the middle of the dart board early.

It's too early for all those facts.

 

[OmerV]

A year ago we were hearing the same thing about the team being confident of a deal, and with that being said, and with there still being 3-4 months before the deadline to agree on a contract, I believed it. This year I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

This will never happen. Dak Prescott isn't the guy that elevates people, it's been proven time and again, lose one offensive tackle and he folds like a cheap suit. Missing his stud WR, same thing. But yea, pay the average guy elite money and see what happens.

 

[iceberg]

Cap is everything,, Im not debating that Goff and Wentz never lived up to expectations, but these movements are everything about the cap, and getting better for cheaper even if the initial cost off dead cap and draft picks seems overwhelming.
The cap can barely support 1 franchise QB if you want to win, you have to have the right QB that is what is being proven, its the build model that the smart teams are leaning on,, it didnt just start this year, its been a trend since Manning was the hired gun in Denver,,, but the movement at QB is escalated now, franchise QB pricing is through the roof, and teams are cutting bait with those cap killing contracts.

this has really always been my point with dak. love him or hate him - doesn't matter.

does this team benefit from a $40mil a year qb? is that where the money we have is best spent?

no.

move on.

 

[Ranched]

Anybody can post on social media their opinions. Doesn't necessarily mean they are correct. Just another media head giving his.

I'll stick with Landry, Aikman & Emmitt's opinions being they are the ONLY ones that matter. Sign Dak!

 

[USArmyVet]

Anybody can post on social media their opinions. Doesn't necessarily mean they are correct. Just another media head giving his.

I'll stick with Landry, Aikman & Emmitt's opinions being they are the ONLY ones that matter. Sign Dak!

Actually the only opinion that matters is JJ's as he will make the decision what to do regardless of what anyone says.

 

[OmerV]

This will never happen. Dak Prescott isn't the guy that elevates people, it's been proven time and again, lose one offensive tackle and he folds like a cheap suit. Missing his stud WR, same thing. But yea, pay the average guy elite money and see what happens.

Dak and the offense were putting up massive yardage and points before the injury with one OT out the entire time, and another out part of the time. How does that constitute folding when 1 OT is out?

 

[USArmyVet]

Dak and the offense were putting up massive yardage and points before the injury with one OT out the entire time, and another out part of the time. How does that constitute folding when 1 OT is out?

....and in 2019 when he had his personal stats record breaking year??? 8-8

 

[JoeKing]

$31m tag. Different motivation.

I understand the price of the tag has increased a bit but that shouldn't be a motivator, IMO, that gets the deal done. I doubt it does get done. He'll get tagged a second time, have a great season and then he will be on to another team in 2022 where he gets a proper deal. The Cowboys are destined to screw this up. Some folks don't mind this happening but I think it will be disastrous for the Cowboys. They'll have a great 2021 season but then Dak will walk... and I don't blame him one bit.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Dak and the offense were putting up massive yardage and points before the injury with one OT out the entire time, and another out part of the time. How does that constitute folding when 1 OT is out?

Dak and the offense managed 1 win against a terrible Atlanta team. Wins count, never saw anyone get to the playoffs because they threw the ball for 4000 yards.

 

[USArmyVet]

I understand the price of the tag has increased a bit but that shouldn't be a motivator, IMO, that gets the deal done. I doubt it does get done. He'll get tagged a second time, have a great season and then he will be on to another team in 2022 where he gets a proper deal. The Cowboys are destined to screw this up. Some folks don't mind this happening but I think it will be disastrous for the Cowboys. They'll have a great 2021 season but then Dak will walk... and I don't blame him one bit.

Well it will be good for Dak to be able to walk.