Cowboys plan to take QB at 4?

[ConceptCoop]

I don't really care, either way. If it costs us two years of contractual overlap on a top 5 pick to make sure we have a QB who can play when Romo is done, sign me up. Especially since that time will make him a better player than he would be, coming out. Nothing else matters to me, really.

Why is a player we draft today more likely to be a worthy franchise QB than one drafted 2 years from now? How does that 2 years "make sure" of anything?

 

[conner01]

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. How long will 1st round draft guy wait before he gets POed ? How soon will Romo want to be traded ? If I'm Romo and you take a guy in 1st Round this year Denver starts looking really sweet. I would want out ASAP.

Romo may be a bit smarter. Why would he want to leave? He is and will be the starter for a couple more years and I bet he is smart enough to know that few players play out the very end of their contract, but if by some miracle he can still play another decade or so you can always trade the young guy. Denver made the mistake of letting their guy play out his contract without signing him to another or trading him before he played out

 

[4lifecowboy]

No way to say, really. I think having a few years to learn something and practice it makes you better at it. Could he have gotten better, faster, by playing instead? Maybe. They had a good team and he woudln't have been getting beat up along the way. It's definitely possible.

I don't really care, either way. If it costs us two years of contractual overlap on a top 5 pick to make sure we have a QB who can play when Romo is done, sign me up. Especially since that time will make him a better player than he would be, coming out. Nothing else matters to me, really.

Hear, Hear

 

[Idgit]

Why is a player we draft today more likely to be a worthy franchise QB than one drafted 2 years from now? How does that 2 years "make sure" of anything?

Because we're potentially in a position to draft one now, when two years from now it'd be a lot more expensive to get in the same position. And because there's not really a no-brainer talent at 4 that we should be strongly considering, instead. And because that player is then available to help us out for a few games that could be the deciding factor in helping a Tony Romo team compete deep into the playoffs if we need him in a pinch. And because right now Kellen Moore is our QB2.

It also is a reasonable assumption that a player will get better with two years in a system and two years in an NFL program. The cost is a couple years of a young QB's cheapest contract.

 

[conner01]

Agreed its not a slack on Romo however drafting a guy in the first round means you wants that guy on the field before halfway through his rookie contract which means get used to the idea of seeing Romo in Denver or another uniform.

I disagree. As long as romo is playing at a high level he will be the QB. But do you really think romo has 5 more years because you have the rookie for 5 years and if romo is still clicking along in 3 or 4 years you trade the kid you developed and showed off in pre season for more picks

 

[Romotil45]

Romo may be a bit smarter. Why would he want to leave? He is and will be the starter for a couple more years and I bet he is smart enough to know that few players play out the very end of their contract, but if by some miracle he can still play another decade or so you can always trade the young guy. Denver made the mistake of letting their guy play out his contract without signing him to another or trading him before he played out

Why would Romo want to leave ? Denver already has a top ten defense all they need is Tony.

 

[Romotil45]

Why would Romo want to leave ? Denver already has a top ten defense all they need is Tony.

If we are not committed to getting Tony his SB he will go to someone who will be committed. Drafting a 1st round QB doesnt sound like commitment to improve the defense.

 

[Romotil45]

Because we're potentially in a position to draft one now, when two years from now it'd be a lot more expensive to get in the same position. And because there's not really a no-brainer talent at 4 that we should be strongly considering, instead. And because that player is then available to help us out for a few games that could be the deciding factor in helping a Tony Romo team compete deep into the playoffs if we need him in a pinch. And because right now Kellen Moore is our QB2.

It also is a reasonable assumption that a player will get better with two years in a system and two years in an NFL program. The cost is a couple years of a young QB's cheapest contract.

Wentz will be gone and neither Wentz/Goff are no brainers.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Because we're potentially in a position to draft one now, when two years from now it'd be a lot more expensive to get in the same position. And because there's not really a no-brainer talent at 4 that we should be strongly considering, instead. And because that player is then available to help us out for a few games that could be the deciding factor in helping a Tony Romo team compete deep into the playoffs if we need him in a pinch. And because right now Kellen Moore is our QB2.

It also is a reasonable assumption that a player will get better with two years in a system and two years in an NFL program. The cost is a couple years of a young QB's cheapest contract.

The cost is a major hit to our current window, a shorter evaluation period, and 2 years of cheap starting QB production. If we're reaching, the cost also includeds the value we surrender in doing so, if a QB can be acquired without reaching in later years/classes.

I don't get why we're so scared of a 6-10, 7-9 season or 2 after our current window. That's what happens when windows close, and it's how rosters improve. I think these next 2 years are as valuable as any - lets go for it.

I'm all for drafting a franchise guy if there's a guy you grade out that highly. But if not, you don't force it, IMO.

 

[Idgit]

Wentz will be gone and neither Wentz/Goff are no brainers.

We'll see who's gone. Right now, you don't know.

And both of the top QBs grade out as franchise prospects. That's a no brainier for a team with a 36 year old QB with Kellen Moore behind him.

 

[Romotil45]

Wentz will be gone and neither Wentz/Goff are no brainers.

I hate to use Andrew Luck comparisons because I didn't believe he was a lock then or now however there seemed to be a consensus that he was a lock. If Wenzt/Goff were a consensus lock maybe you take them at 4 but they are not so trade back if you can load up the defense.

 

[Romotil45]

We'll see who's gone. Right now, you don't know.

And both of the top QBs grade out as franchise prospects. That's a no brainier for a team with a 36 year old QB with Kellen Moore behind him.

I'm on record believing Romo play at least until 40 if not longer and I like Moore. So doesn't phase me.

 

[Idgit]

The cost is a major hit to our current window, a shorter evaluation period, and 2 years of cheap starting QB production. If we're reaching, the cost also includeds the value we surrender in doing so, if a QB can be acquired without reaching in later years/classes.

I don't get why we're so scared of a 6-10, 7-9 season or 2 after our current window. That's what happens when windows close, and it's how rosters improve. I think these next 2 years are as valuable as any - lets go for it.

I'm all for drafting a franchise guy if there's a guy you grade out that highly. But if not, you don't force it, IMO.

If we're reaching, though we'd only be reaching for Lynch, I agree.

Nobody's 'scared.' It legitimately takes time to develop QBs and now is the time to start doing so. That's like suggesting people don't like to skip meals because they're scared of starving. No, you just eat because it's time to eat. It's time to draft a QB. If that comes at the cost of not having a Joey Bosa, but it gets us through a couple of games each of the next two or three seasons if Romo goes down, it's worth it. If it gets us a player who's ready physically and knows the offense when Romo retires, that's what you want.

Of course, nobody wants to take a guy who's not graded a franchise player just to have him on board. Any discussion of the QBs here revolves around them being worthy of developing. But if a franchise guy is in your lap, you don't pass him up at this point.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Nobody's 'scared.' It legitimately takes time to develop QBs and now is the time to start doing so.

Why is that not the norm then, in your opinion? The Favre to Rodgers handoff is very much the exception and not the rule. Why don't teams draft QBs early to sit behind their 35/36 YO starters for 2, 3, 4 years?

Drafting a developmental guy is different. We're not talking Kolb/Cassell/Oswieller/Foles/Garoppolo here. We're talking about a top 5 pick.

 

[Romotil45]

If we're reaching, though we'd only be reaching for Lynch, I agree.

Nobody's 'scared.' It legitimately takes time to develop QBs and now is the time to start doing so. That's like suggesting people don't like to skip meals because they're scared of starving. No, you just eat because it's time to eat. It's time to draft a QB. If that comes at the cost of not having a Joey Bosa, but it gets us through a couple of games each of the next two or three seasons if Romo goes down, it's worth it. If it gets us a player who's ready physically and knows the offense when Romo retires, that's what you want.

Of course, nobody wants to take a guy who's not graded a franchise player just to have him on board. Any discussion of the QBs here revolves around them being worthy of developing. But if a franchise guy is in your lap, you don't pass him up at this point.

I know we have already asked a similar question but it didn't phase anyone apparently so I want to ask it again. When was the last time a 1st rd top five pick was asked to sit 2-3 yrs ? Remember Rogers was not top five pick.

 

[Romotil45]

I know we have already asked a similar question but it didn't phase anyone apparently so I want to ask it again. When was the last time a 1st rd top five pick was asked to sit 2-3 yrs ? Remember Rogers was not top five pick.

If our FO takes a guy in top five I hope they ask him if he is ok sitting 2-3 years. If it were me and he said yes I would pass. I want a guy who will fight to be on the field day one if he is top five.

 

[Idgit]

I know we have already asked a similar question but it didn't phase anyone apparently so I want to ask it again. When was the last time a 1st rd top five pick was asked to sit 2-3 yrs ? Remember Rogers was not top five pick.

Who cares? Why does it matter? If you've got an elite QB and a top-5 player backing him up for two years you're admittedly overloaded at the most important position on the field. If you do it because a rare opportunity presented itself and you wanted the insurance, there's nothing wrong with that. Especially if it's only coming at the cost of a RB or a strong-side DE.

 

[jnday]

I don't believe the Boyz plan to take a QB in first round until 2018 unless they find a gem in later rounds between now and then. Many reasons for this. 1 defense is the priority we are in "win now mode". 2 in 2014 AFTER back surgery Romo stats 12-4 would have won NFC Championship if not for lack of pass-rush 34 TDs vs 9 Ints 113 Qbr 69.9 completion%. Top five QBstats. Romo still has way above average mobility. Great OL. Good run game. Really we are a few defensive players away from a serious SB run.

This win now mode and bring Romo friendly has cost this team a decade. It is short sighted and poor management.

 

[conner01]

Why would Romo want to leave ? Denver already has a top ten defense all they need is Tony.

Except on top of the fact he is under contract he is also pretty loyal guy. He is very close to the organization. There may be a point tony is moved but not in the next couple years for sure
I also think tony realizes it's smart for the team to start planning for life after tony

 

[ConceptCoop]

This win now mode and bring Romo friendly has cost this team a decade. It is short sighted and poor management.

You're suggesting they should have moved on from Romo a decade ago?