Cowboys Rated Best Offensive Line - Again

khiladi said:
Remember though, Jerry was always fascinated by the LT position to protect Romo's blind-side and he paid big money for Flozell to extend here. And this guy was a pro bowler and their best OL during those years of misery.

Outside of that, true their FO strategy they simply filled need via FA, by getting guys like Leonard Davis and Montrae Holland.

Look at 2012, here when they went Claiborne. Not a single OL was drafted. Most of the changes correlates to 2013 when Romo got his new contract and started getting involved in game-planning. That's also when Jerry started experimenting with the idea of Callahan now calling plays.

I personally think the shift was initiated by Romo and Callahan influence.
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I wouldn't say Jerry was fascinated by the LT position, he paid Flozell what he was worth imo. Flo wasn't popular here due to to his false starts, but when you look around the league, he was one of the better LTs. Never elite, but in that next tier.

And during Jerry's ownership, we never drafted a LT any earlier than we did Flozell in the second round. I just think had Jerry not changed his view on the o-line (which unfortunately effected the scouts grades) and taken Tyron, I don't think he would take a center in the first.
 
It's just comical that Garrett homers will try and divest Callahan of credit after he leaves and after the line was built.. They want to give Garrett credit for the best aspect of this team, yet deny that he brought Houck here and only coached in power blocking schemes his whole life and new nothing about zone scheme and they were drafting busts on the line and filling gaps in FA, with BIG, hefty lineman.

It took one year with Callahan here for Jerry to start stripping play-calling duties away from Garrett and start experimenting with him and he was coaching the OL.. He must of have known what he was doing for Jerry to do that to his adopted son.

So I do agree there must have been some change in Jerry and Callahan impressing him must have been part of it.
 
And looking back maybe investing so much into the OL was overkill.

We will never get an equal return and now we have to start paying for their talent.

Romo got hurt and we went 4-12 with a great OL and an improved Defense.

3 years ago SF had an OL to be jealous of and now they are back next to us in the draft.
 
And just as an aside, the Commanders were hampered by injuries on their OL and by the end of the season, were starting 4 first round lineman I believe. Their first pick this year was OL.

Cousins had all day to throw and was not sacked, threw over 70% and nobody in Washington was complaining about the OL when it was a regular theme in DC. Their passing game was built off of play action, meaning the threat of the run game was always there even though they weren't putting up big numbers with all their injuries.

And this was Callahan's first year there. I live in DC so the fans were elated with Callahan's work.
 
bkight13 said:
And looking back maybe investing so much into the OL was overkill.

We will never get an equal return and now we have to start paying for their talent.

Romo got hurt and we went 4-12 with a great OL and an improved Defense.

3 years ago SF had an OL to be jealous of and now they are back next to us in the draft.
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We need to invest in coaching as well. They had Harbaugh.. We have Garrett..
 
khiladi said:
I knew somebody would bring up
silliness, while ignoring all the busts we picked and the actual scheme we were running while picking these busts.

Guess what?

Smith was pretty much the best OL to come out of college in years. He was arguably the JJ Watt of the OL that year.

It didn't take a genius to pick him, particularly since Flozell left and Jerry Jones was looking to protect Romo's blind-side. Jerry offered Flozell huge money the previous contract to stay here.
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What other first round OL bust did we choose?

We started to address the OL once Garrett became HC. FACT.

Give me a source that Callahan was the reason we drafted Fred and Martin. Here's your thinking: We chose Martin and Fred, we Callahan, must have been Callahan! Correlation is not causation.

We also went hard for Collins in FA, remember that? I guess Callahan was giving us advice from Washington.
 
bkight13 said:
That is not accurate. TSmith was beat straight up a few times this year, especially against PHI.

He is still one of the best but he is far from perfect.
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Show me where Smith go beat "straight up" on the sacks he gave up this year. Your word is not evidence.
 
PJTHEDOORS said:
He's commenting on the game he saw. I was referring to when Murray saw it the last half of the season. Teams were committed to stopping him. Highly doubt teams had a gameplan on stopping McFadden. Highly doubt teams had a gameplan on stopping McFadden.
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McFadden vs Murray wasn't even the issue, it was Romo vs. no Romo. Muth was probably referring to the fact that the OL was responsible for having the league's 6th-highest yards per carry, while having to carry the burden of the league's 31st-rated passing game. McFadden was running into stacked boxes week in and week out. That's a different world from what Murray saw in 2014. From Trent Dilfer...

"I'm a big advocate of their offensive line and their running the ball ... but it was amazing to see how many of those plays were versus two-high safeties," Dilfer said. "The Cowboys kept running the ball each week on first down, but [opponents] would still play pass defense because they didn't want to give up something [big] to Romo."
 
percyhoward said:
McFadden vs Murray wasn't even the issue, it was Romo vs. no Romo. Muth was probably referring to the fact that the OL was responsible for having the league's 6th-highest yards per carry, while having to carry the burden of the league's 31st-rated passing game. McFadden was running into stacked boxes week in and week out. That's a different world from what Murray saw in 2014. From Trent Dilfer...

"I'm a big advocate of their offensive line and their running the ball ... but it was amazing to see how many of those plays were versus two-high safeties," Dilfer said. "The Cowboys kept running the ball each week on first down, but [opponents] would still play pass defense because they didn't want to give up something [big] to Romo."
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At times. But not where a defense was geared to stop McFadden with a gameplan as it was for Murray for an entire game..
 
khiladi said:
And just as an aside, the Commanders were hampered by injuries on their OL and by the end of the season, were starting 4 first round lineman I believe. Their first pick this year was OL.

Cousins had all day to throw and was not sacked, threw over 70% and nobody in Washington was complaining about the OL when it was a regular theme in DC. Their passing game was built off of play action, meaning the threat of the run game was always there even though they weren't putting up big numbers with all their injuries.

And this was Callahan's first year there. I live in DC so the fans were elated with Callahan's work.
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Gotta disagree with some of this, for starters, they were not hampered by injuries and were not starting 4 first round linemen, because Moses was a second round pick and Long was a third rounder. Shaun Lauvao went down early in the season, but Spencer Long, who was a third rounder in 2014, played at roughly the same level. Willing to bet, that Lauvao does not regain his starting job back next year. Lichtenstieger was the big injury that they could not replace, but the other linemen pretty much played every game.

I live in DC as well and again, Callahan deserves a ton of credit for his ability to coach up talented players, which is what he did in Washington as well. Trent Williams (14 starts) was already a perennial pro-bowler and Brandon Scherff (16 starts) was the 5th pick and thus should have been a very good guard. Korey Lichtenstiger was already a very good center, but was limited to 5 games. The big improvement was Morgan Mosses (16 starts) and Spencer Long who were a rookies last season and similar to here, Callahan got the most out of them.
 
tecolote said:
The fact that Dallas had the best OL and arguably the worst offense in the NFL is a pretty damning indication that the offensive system the team is running is horrible.
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That or the two most important players on offense got hurt.

One or the other.
 
mattjames2010 said:
But there's a few on here that said Tyron Smith is overrated because of the sacks he gave up this year.

I'm guessing, like most suspected, most of Smith's sacks came due to the QB holding onto the ball too long.
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Who thinks Smith is overrated? Who's the idiot?
 
bkight13 said:
And looking back maybe investing so much into the OL was overkill.

We will never get an equal return and now we have to start paying for their talent.

Romo got hurt and we went 4-12 with a great OL and an improved Defense.

3 years ago SF had an OL to be jealous of and now they are back next to us in the draft.
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SMH.
 
PFF = Some fantasy football geek in the UK watching NFL Gamepass in his mom's basement.

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Yeah, I'll pass.
 
BAT said:
He did. Except in short yardage situations. Cowboys were dead last in the league in converting 3rd and 1. Not all McFadden's fault. Lot's of blame to go around (Randle, Michael, lousy back up QBs, mundane play calling, etc.).
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If you telegraph to the world that your running up the middle every 3rd and 1 than its more of a coaching issue, not the players.
 
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