RELEASED Cowboys Release DE Damontre Moore

[haleyrules]

Heck. the FO released the wrong Moore.

 

[davey999]

Impressive FA haul.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Exactly. The ideal strategy here, especially as we enter the prime years of Prescott, the OL and Elliott, would be to continue to draft to stay young but then use FA to fill key holes. And by using FA, not the bargain bin of toys with missing parts, but rather that sweet middle tier where you saw guys like Hyde, Poe, etc.

In a perfect world I'd agree with you. But there are no guarantees that the mid-tier guys will work out any better than the dredge we seem to come up with.

 

[Stash]

$2 million/year is pretty low end as far as FA goes. But it's not a point worth arguing.

Actually, it was $4 million, when $5 million could have kept Claiborne for a year of $6 million would have kept Carr.

Instead, Carroll got paid $4 million for one game. Great money if you can't get it. I don't think even Deion ever made $4 million for one game.

 

[Sydla]

Because in FA you get good players paid like they're great and decent players paid like they're good. It's the ultimate seller's market and it makes more logical sense to not play that game. For every FA signing that works out there are three that don't. The odds suck and can have serious ramifications on the salary cap. At least the long odds in the draft don't ruin your ability to make any moves the next few seasons.

And then that's the price you have to pay to get better. And again, you are saying things that are bogus. There were moves out there that wouldn't have handcuffed you down the road.

Micah Hyde at $6MM would have been money well spent. $7MM on Bennie Logan to be our 1 tech would have been money well spent. And guess what? Logan is on a one year deal. He hurts you nowhere beyond this season. Same with Poe at $8MM. Patrick Robinson, a better CB than Carroll, is on a one year deal in Philly.

Those types of moves are out there in FA and are there every year. The Cowboys simply have a cheap, flawed FA plan. That's pretty damn obvious at this point.

 

[Stash]

Yep.

Paea was his guy. Now in fairness, he got hurt but he was an oft injured guy so they knew the risk. Carroll was a Marinelli guy who Rod had chased for two offseasons.

Frankly, I think they give Marinelli too much say on personnel.

They went into the season knowing full well about Paea and his knee. They thought they could "manage it", and they were totally wrong.

 

[Sydla]

In a perfect world I'd agree with you. But there are no guarantees that the mid-tier guys will work out any better than the dredge we seem to come up with.

That's BS.

The mid-tier guys most certainly would have a better chance of working out than a CB who sucked for two years and no one wanted (especially the team he was leaving who actually had a worse CB situation than us), a DT that had an injury history and a DE who was basically kicked off multiple teams.

I mean are you really arguing that signing guys like Poe or Logan carry the same level of failure as signing Moore or Carroll?

No way.

 

[lopey]

I hope they learned from this horrible off season and change their strategy going forward or this team will never get to the promise land

 

[haleyrules]

These things happen when a club has a sissy, back up QB, Ivy leaguer for a HC.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

That's BS.

The mid-tier guys most certainly would have a better chance of working out than a CB who sucked for two years and no one wanted (especially the team he was leaving who actually had a worse CB situation than us), a DT that had an injury history and a DE who was basically kicked off multiple teams.

I mean are you really arguing that signing guys like Poe or Logan carry the same level of failure as signing Moore or Carroll?

No way.

Poe has a bad back, so we'll see what Atlanta gets for that. Even the mid-level guys have warts or they wouldn't be available to begin with. Look at Brandon Carr. We signed him for good money but did we ever realize that level of production. People love to bring up Crawford's contract and that's usually what you get with a mid-level guy, a high cap number and only decent production.

 

[Alexander]

I hope they learned from this horrible off season and change their strategy going forward or this team will never get to the promise land

It just means they will go from cheap to cold turkey.

 

[The Natural]

So all of our prized FA acquisitions are gone huh?

 

[Sydla]

Poe has a bad back, so we'll see what Atlanta gets for that. Even the mid-level guys have warts or they wouldn't be available to begin with. Look at Brandon Carr. We signed him for good money but did we ever realize that level of production. People love to bring up Crawford's contract and that's usually what you get with a mid-level guy, a high cap number and only decent production.

Well Atlanta has gotten more out of him than we have of our three FAs combined. So right there, that's a win for Atlanta. Plus he's on a one year deal. So if he gets hurt in the future, they aren't on the hook beyond this year. Like we are for a crap CB in Nolan Carroll.

Carr was a high tier signing. He was the top 1-2 FA CBs at that time. It was a mistake but YET AGAIN no one is suggesting that they do that again, where they overpay significantly for a guy viewed as the top guy at a key position in FA.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Actually, it was $4 million, when $5 million could have kept Claiborne for a year of $6 million would have kept Carr.

Instead, Carroll got paid $4 million for one game. Great money if you can't get it. I don't think even Deion ever made $4 million for one game.

With Carroll you're talking actual money and I'm talking cap hit. And if Claiborne plays the full season it would be his first.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Well Atlanta has gotten more out of him than we have of our three FAs combined. So right there, that's a win for Atlanta. Plus he's on a one year deal. So if he gets hurt in the future, they aren't on the hook beyond this year. Like we are for a crap CB in Nolan Carroll.

Carr was a high tier signing. He was the top 1-2 FA CBs at that time. It was a mistake but YET AGAIN no one is suggesting that they do that again, where they overpay significantly for a guy viewed as the top guy at a key position in FA.

This is the fundamental heart of my disagreement with you on this issue. Nearly all FA are overpaid. Significantly.

 

[Bullflop]

Damontre might very well have done something pretty bad to bring this about.

I can't help but wonder exactly what'll be in the news on this pretty soon now.

 

[Sydla]

This is the fundamental heart of my disagreement with you on this issue. Nearly all FA are overpaid. Significantly.

Except that's again an exaggeration. Hyde is not overpaid for his position and how well he plays, for example. Look at someone like Alshon Jeffrey. He's on a pretty good one year deal in Philly. Given what top WRs get, he's not overpaid.

You try to set these absolutes and they keep blowing up in your face.

 

[Stash]

With Carroll you're talking actual money and I'm talking cap hit.

He got $3 million in a guaranteed bonus and a $1 million salary for a 2017 season he won't play. That says $4 million.

And if Claiborne plays the full season it would be his first.

And he'd still be a monumentally better investment than Nolan Carroll. Even if he got injured for the season today.

That's the point. The Carroll mistake was so bad, that a player has to do almost nothing to look great by comparison.

 

[Established1971]

Im getting to the point when I make references like these myself I realize most people are too young to get it

 

[Montanalo]

No doubt, the FO needs to re-assess the thought process that led to the signing of Carroll, Paea and Moore. Got to be a few person's learned.

On the upside, the FO didn't compound the error by unnecessarily holding on to Carroll and Moore.