Cowboys | SS Williams may be released this week

[AbeBeta]

Does anybody think Roy finding jesus ruined him? Took away his killer attitude?:suxiggle:

Myth 497: Finding Jesus ruined Roy.

This is false. Roy sucked long before that.

 

[Idgit]

No, as I've said before. I understand the point. And it is stupid.

abersonc, you're a bright guy. I don't get what problem you have with exploding myths--obvious myths or not. Clearly a lot of people on the board thought the topic worthwhile, and I can speak from personal experience that I'm glad to see unsupportable perceptions challenged and dismantled.

I don't get what your problem with the point of that classic thread was. If everyone agreed with you that it was stupid, the thread wouldn't have gotten so much attention. If not everyone agreed with you, then that's reason enough to have made a thread.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

And my point was that the "exaggerations" were more about you taking things too literally and you failing to understand that when people say things like "Roy can't cover" that it means "coverage is not a Roy's strong suit" - yes, some folks exaggerate and are imprecise with their language - however, those of us who are not robots understand that.

It’s playing word games. People do it all the time to prove a point. If you twist something hard enough you can get it to mean anything you want. Many saw Roys play decrease over the years and this news is not news. But my gosh, how about those that still hold Roy to Pro-Bowl status? Notice they are not shocked either...i think they knew the truth.

 

[AbeBeta]

abersonc, you're a bright guy. I don't get what problem you have with exploding myths--obvious myths or not. Clearly a lot of people on the board thought the topic worthwhile, and I can speak from personal experience that I'm glad to see unsupportable perceptions challenged and dismantled.

I don't get what your problem with the point of that classic thread was. If everyone agreed with you that it was stupid, the thread wouldn't have gotten so much attention. If not everyone agreed with you, then that's reason enough to have made a thread.

My issue was not the exploding of the myths but how narrowly defined each was - e.g., "Myth: Roy can't cover anyone" -- the issue with Roy is not that he can't cover -- every DB in this league can cover someone - everyone knows that statement really means "he isn't good in coverage" - Most of us agree on that. Yet the level of semantic rigidity that went into the definition and deconstruction of each myth focused exclusively on what could be easily dispatched rather than addressing real substantial issues and concerns about the player. I saw much of the thread as not a focus on actual myths but on statements that reflected clear hyperbole with the author latching on to the hyperbole rather than the underlying critique.

So there's my problem.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And ... you're still missing the point.

The only point that I see people missing is that we missed RW38 a whole lot last season. All those mssed tackles and the trainwreck that was SS after he went down.

 

[Yoshimitsu]

Its about time.

 

[adbutcher]

The only point that I see people missing is that we missed RW38 a whole lot last season. All those mssed tackles and the trainwreck that was SS after he went down.

Where were you? That didn't happen, we will be much stronger after we get rid of one of the better safeties in the NFL. I betcha, the Cardinals are having the same discussion about Wilson and the Steelers are echoing that about Polamolau(sp),

 

[Yoshimitsu]

Where were you? That didn't happen, we will be much stronger after we get rid of one of the better safeties in the NFL. I betcha, the Cardinals are having the same discussion about Wilson and the Steelers are echoing that about Polamolau(sp),

Roy Williams is one of the bottom safeties in the league.

 

[AbeBeta]

Roy Williams is one of the bottom safeties in the league.

Ya see, posts like this just feed the "myth people" - don't give them obviously wrong claims. You've got to make this a fast pitch league, these slow underhand lobs just make it worse.

He's not at the bottom. He's likely in the lower part of the top third. At worst he's in the top half.

The problem is that there is no SS in the league who brings a larger discrepancy between what he could be and what he is.

 

[AmishCowboy]

I would rather see Roy restructure his deal then be cut, I think he's still in the top 50% of SS in the NFL.

 

[Yoshimitsu]

Ya see, posts like this just feed the "myth people" - don't give them obviously wrong claims. You've got to make this a fast pitch league, these slow underhand lobs just make it worse.

He's not at the bottom. He's likely in the lower part of the top third. At worst he's in the top half.

The problem is that there is no SS in the league who brings a larger discrepancy between what he could be and what he is.

Yeah maybe i did exaggerate his skill. But his current contract does not match the skill. Roy is getting paid too much to be pulled off on 3rd downs and to be targeted like his all the time by offenses. His tackling was his best attribute but even that has seemed to get worse as the years go by.

 

[adbutcher]

Roy Williams is one of the bottom safeties in the league.

I didn't realize that you were a comedian. Please tell us some more funnies....Oh you were serious, that is even more funny.:laugh2:

 

[DallasDomination]

We release Roy and Who replaces HIm? The Bumbs We have playing there now are even worse.


The only way I see this is if Henry plays free safety and we move Hamlin to the SS position.

 

[AbeBeta]

I didn't realize that you were a comedian. Please tell us some more funnies....Oh you were serious, that is even more funny.:laugh2:

but you are also guilty of the same comedic approach with your "one of the better safeties in the NFL" line - comparisons to Troy P and Adrian Wilson? Come on. Average your take and Yoshi's and we are probably close to the truth.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ya see, posts like this just feed the "myth people" - don't give them obviously wrong claims. You've got to make this a fast pitch league, these slow underhand lobs just make it worse.

He's not at the bottom. He's likely in the lower part of the top third. At worst he's in the top half.

The problem is that there is no SS in the league who brings a larger discrepancy between what he could be and what he is.

Abe

so magnamimous, or however the hell you spell it

 

[AbeBeta]

Abe

so magnamimous, or however the hell you spell it

Thanks, iChangeMyUsernameTooOften!

 

[jobberone]

Ya see, posts like this just feed the "myth people" - don't give them obviously wrong claims. You've got to make this a fast pitch league, these slow underhand lobs just make it worse.

He's not at the bottom. He's likely in the lower part of the top third. At worst he's in the top half.

The problem is that there is no SS in the league who brings a larger discrepancy between what he could be and what he is.

Well, I said last year that we missed him. That doesn't say that Roy is a great safety. It does say something about the position of safety on this team. Roy doesn't cover well. That's not news. There are times he tackles poorly. But he is still better in the run game than any other safety on the team. An again that speaks to the talent level at safety on this team.

 

[AdamJT13]

No, as I've said before. I understand the point. And it is stupid.

I agree. It is stupid that Roy's critics constantly spout falsehoods and exaggerations instead of dealing in truths. The problem with you excusing the use of hyperbole because of the "underlying critique" is that it destroys the wall between truth and fiction. If it's OK to say something obviously false to make a point, that essentially makes it OK to say something almost obviously false, which makes it OK to say something mostly false, which makes it OK to say something slightly false, which means it's OK to say whatever you want as if it's a fact. And then nobody knows what is true and what is not true.

We all know Romo fumbles too much. Does that make it OK to say Romo fumbles every time he gets sacked? How about saying he fumbles 90 percent of the time he gets sacked? How about 80 percent? Seventy percent? Sixty percent? Fifty percent? Forty percent? What is the cutoff point for the level of falsehood that is allowed under your standards for making an argument? The underlying critique, of course, is the same no matter the level of falsehood (even when the critque is entirely incorrect), but shouldn't it matter -- at some point -- what the truth really is? I guess not, if you don't mind being ignorant. If that's the case, then I guess it's "stupid" to expect people to base their argument on the truth instead of falsehoods. But that still doesn't make their statements any more true.

 

[Idgit]

Ya see, posts like this just feed the "myth people" - don't give them obviously wrong claims. You've got to make this a fast pitch league, these slow underhand lobs just make it worse.

He's not at the bottom. He's likely in the lower part of the top third. At worst he's in the top half.

The problem is that there is no SS in the league who brings a larger discrepancy between what he could be and what he is.

They feed the myth-people because they are myths. You're exactly right that lobs aren't needed around here, but then that was the point of the myth thread in the first place.

 

[AbeBeta]

We all know Romo fumbles too much. Does that make it OK to say Romo fumbles every time he gets sacked?

Does it make it OK to pretend you don't understand exactly what people are saying when they say he fumbles every time he gets sacked?

See, that's the problem. You know what they mean but refuse to acknowledge that.