Cowboys still the Team to Beat

[Skins26]

please, dallas has played and played better than all 3 division teams. losing one at the end with luck still puts us at 2-1, id take that anyday over a luckfilled 1-0.

At the end of the day, are the people who figure out the tiebreakers going to be looking at how the game was won or who won?


btw, the past 4 weeks have shown that that was not "luck"

 

[SacredStar]

The Cowboys have now lost three winnable games and won three losable games. You appreciate statistics, so that's a .500 winning (or losing if you're a pessimist) percentage. To me, that's the sign of an average team.
-Reality

100% agree....this team is average and I know I sound like a broken record saying it, but it's true.

 

[AdamJT13]

Depends on your definition of a "blow out." My statement was not an absolute and I realize you take offense to anyone critizing the Cowboys

I have no problem with people criticizing the Cowboys when it's warranted. I have a problem only when people blame the wrong thing, blame the wrong person, make incorrect statements or just don't have a clue what they're talking about.

Good teams find ways to win close games.

Does that mean they never lose close games? Of course not .. it just means more times than not, if the game is close, they find ways to win it.

The Cowboys have now lost three winnable games and won three losable games. You appreciate statistics, so that's a .500 winning (or losing if you're a pessimist) percentage.

If we had gotten blown out by the Commanders, Raiders and Seahawks, we'd be 3-0 in close games. That surely wouldn't make us a "good" team, would it?

I'm guessing that "good" teams aren't much better than .500 in close games. They should have quite a few wins that aren't close, and if they DO lose, it's probably a close loss, more often than not. The 1992 and 1993 Cowboys, for example, each went 1-2 in games decided by four points or less. But they won a combined 22 games (including all six playoff games) by double digits. They weren't 2-4 in close games because they couldn't find a way to win close games, it was because they usually won handily, and when they DID lose, they still kept it close.

To me, that's the sign of an average team.

What about that 33-10 win over the Eagles? I'd say that tips us to above-average, especially since we're 4-3.

 

[ddh33]

I'm pretty sure there's a reason that the season is 16 games. I think there are a lot of solid teams. Dallas is one of them. That's a start.

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

we just get way way way to passive when the other team is in a hurry up pass only state, as seen in the last 2 min. of the last two weeks and the skins game, we strait up need to bring like 5-6 guys then drop em and bring 3 then bring 8 just change it up, and oh yea our d is made to get to the qb not to sit back in coverage.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I'm guessing that "good" teams aren't much better than .500 in close games.

You're correct. I can't find the stat, but a buddy of mine did a study on "good teams win close games" for both MLB and the NFL. He found that a lot of good teams have poor winning percentages in close games. What makes them good is that they can continually beat teams like a drum. When it's close, whether it's baseball or football, it's practically anybody's game.

Not saying that it's not alright to be upset with this loss, but the theory that good teams have a great record in close games is pretty much a fallacy.

Rich.........

 

[WV Cowboy]

we just get way way way to passive when the other team is in a hurry up pass only state, as seen in the last 2 min. of the last two weeks and the skins game, we strait up need to bring like 5-6 guys then drop em and bring 3 then bring 8 just change it up, and oh yea our d is made to get to the qb not to sit back in coverage.

Can't hurt to try, playing it safe and conservative isn't working.

We really shook Hasselback up when we came after him, and he made some stupid, stupid decisions.

I agree, we are built to be aggresive defensively.

 

[Future]

You know we aren't supposed to call other member's IDIOTS so I won't I'll just ask you where you come up with this crap. DB is one of the top rated QB's right now sure he's made some mistakes but he's better than we've had in many years so get off it already.

yea bledsoe has thrown all of what...4 bad passes this year. my god, of course quincy is still available

 

[Hiero]

At the end of the day, are the people who figure out the tiebreakers going to be looking at how the game was won or who won?


btw, the past 4 weeks have shown that that was not "luck"

ya that win against the 49ers really blew me away, you guys are now legit superbowl contenders. :bang2: This is not even close to the 49ers team we played after they beat st louis and were still starting rattay and hadnt had the injuries. the 49ers were completely depleted by the time they got to you. It doesnt mean anything that you beat them.

 

[Hoov]

the seahawks are one of the better nfc teams. we played them evenly and were in position to win with one minute left in the game, and it was in their stadium.

Now if the game had been one that went back and forth and ended 23-20 with seahawks winning, people would probably be saying that its good that we were pretty equal to a good team in their own stadium.

Its because we were winning all game that the assumption goes we should have won but didnt, we blew it, etc. and the fact that we havent put teams away in the earlier games as well. The fact that we "could have/should have won" makes the loss worse than if the game had bounced back and forth with more scoring by both teams.

Still the fact remains that Seattle is one of the better NFC teams right now and i would say talent wise, we are pretty equal to them.

 

[Reality]

If we had gotten blown out by the Commanders, Raiders and Seahawks, we'd be 3-0 in close games. That surely wouldn't make us a "good" team, would it?

Adam, I really thought you were above a pathetic attempt at changing the angle of the discussion. If you need a mathematical formula to understand what common sense provides to most people, I will be glad to provide it to you.

Trying to claim that a team is good because they didn't get blown out is like bragging you got third place in a three-man race. As I said, good teams find ways to win close games. Teams that are 1-5 and win a close game does not make them a good team. However, when you take their record in non-close games, in the Cowboys case, 1-0 and then factor in the best and worst case record scenarios, you end up with a record from 1-6 to 7-0. The Cowboys are 4-3. What is halfway between the worst and best record scenarios? That's right .. 4-3 .. which is exactly where the Cowboys are .. average.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

The numbers ...

The Cowboys, Giants, Red Skins and Eagles are all average within the NFL, but to the NFC, the NFCE rules! At least that's what the numbers are saying ...

NFC-East

4-2
4-2
4-2
4-3
Collectively = 16-9
Average = 4-2

NFC-South

5-1
4-2
4-2
2-5
Collectively = 15-10
Average = 3-2

NFC-West

5-2
3-4
2-4
1-5
Collectively = 11-15
Average = 2-3

NFC-North

3-3
3-3
2-4
1-5
Collectively = 9-15
Average = 2-3


I haven't taken the time to look at the AFC yet, but the NFCE is the strongest division from a statistical perspective.

That's the Reality of it as of right now.

 

[dallasblue05]

At the end of the day, are the people who figure out the tiebreakers going to be looking at how the game was won or who won?


btw, the past 4 weeks have shown that that was not "luck"

Because you guys have played such good teams right, please, ok, you're right, you guys havent had a lot of luck, the only luck you've had is the way the first half of your schedule looks. thats not much, just 7 games. I say seven games cuz you cant poosibly believe the dallas game wasnt luck....if you do, you're a......well, skins fan and out of your mind!!

 

[dallasblue05]

Adam, I really thought you were above a pathetic attempt at changing the angle of the discussion. If you need a mathematical formula to understand what common sense provides to most people, I will be glad to provide it to you.

Trying to claim that a team is good because they didn't get blown out is like bragging you got third place in a three-man race. As I said, good teams find ways to win close games. Teams that are 1-5 and win a close game does not make them a good team. However, when you take their record in non-close games, in the Cowboys case, 1-0 and then factor in the best and worst case record scenarios, you end up with a record from 1-6 to 7-0. The Cowboys are 4-3. What is halfway between the worst and best record scenarios? That's right .. 4-3 .. which is exactly where the Cowboys are .. average.

or 3-4......which is slightly below average, so are we slightly above average, or just above average for beating the iggles so badly....or are we good for winning the 3 close ones plus blowing out the eagles....or are we....ok, i'll stop!!:

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

I'm not sure you're congruent with this thread -- but you're doing good by stopping in lieu of continuing to be misunderstood.

Your Avatar indicates that you are/were in the Air Force. Is your AFSC 81100 or 70200? Just curious.

 

[dallasblue05]

what does congruent mean again? lol in english please, lol. No my AFSC is neither one of those, I'm a Boom Operator if you know what that is........if not do a google image search or something.....did you serve?

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

what does congruent mean again? lol in english please, lol. No my AFSC is neither one of those, I'm a Boom Operator if you know what that is........if not do a google image search or something.....did you serve?

Understand. A KC-135v Jock. You guys do amazing things staying on course in those tankers. I'm impressed! I was the NCOIC of HQ PACAF Personal Affairs; Hickam Air Force Base Hawaii.

BTW, sorry to throw that nickel-dime word on you, but congruent means ...
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin congruent-, congruens, present participle of congruere -- superposable so as to be coincident throughout.

Aim High!

 

[dallasblue05]

Understand. A KC-135v Jock. You guys do amazing things staying on course in those tankers. I'm impressed! I was the NCOIC of HQ PACAF Personal Affairs; Hickam Air Force Base Hawaii.

BTW, sorry to throw that nickel-dime word on you, but congruent means ...
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin congruent-, congruens, present participle of congruere -- superposable so as to be coincident throughout.

Aim High!

okaaaaaaaaaay, lol, cool, I was in Hickam about a month and a half ago on a weekend mission. I spent a lot of money, lol. The sad thing is I dont even remember where I spent it, lol, but I know I had a great time. I wouldnt live there though, too secluded from anything else.....It would prolly get old after the excitement of being there wore off, but I wouldnt be able to go on vacation w/o paying 2 arms for a ticket round trip. You still in or retired?

 

[AmericasTeam31]

Everybody is forgetting the skins.

The NFC East is back. It's gonna be dogfight for whoever wins it.

And oh yeah, It's also gonna be like the old days as well.... NFC East winner WILL win the Superbowl.


Ok, gotta go, my shrink is on the phone. :insane:

Unless it's the Eagles...

 

[Asklesko]

It seems to be easy to beat the Cowboys. If I were the Cardinals, I'd play 58 minutes of conservative ball and pull out my trick plays for the last two. Easy victory.