Cowboys talk to Gabe Watson

[RCowboyFan]

Yep, he is not a guy that is going to get you alot of sacks, which is not his job anyway, but a run stuffer and a 3 year letterman at Michigan that played against big time competition.

I wouldnt be surprised at all if this is your #18 pick folks. Which I would not mind if some Offensive Tackles slip into the 2nd Round.

Oh and Nors is right, dude had to be accounted for on every snap, was doubled constantly because of his size and strength and ability to set his own line of Scrimmage.

Okie dokie, then if someone on INternet who has infatuation with NE than Cowboys says so, I guess I got to go with him than what I saw on TV.

I guess Loyd Carr must be smoking something bad, to bench the Gabe Watson, as he couldn't see the talent they had on roster, even though all Gabe Watson had to do was hold his point of attack and not get sacks.

Like someone says, watch the games before saying what the guy did or not do. I am not trying to bash you here, but people go off on stats or physical measurements rather than production as shown on tape. Gabe Watson's label of underachiever has nothing to do with his stats or no sacks he didn't get. Its for the number of times he fails to show up and play with the same intensity every game.

But, then what do I know, I just go by what I see when I am watching games. I guess us Michigan fans hate the Michigan players

 

[Bach]

I wouldnt be surprised at all if this is your #18 pick folks. Which I would not mind if some Offensive Tackles slip into the 2nd Round.

That would be a horrible move on our part to take him in the first. No way do I see Watson even close to being the BPA at 18.

With our first rounder we either need a playmaker or someone who can help solidify our OL.

Having a run stuffing NT is good, but I think there would be much better talent available at 18. I'd much rather go with the best OT (Justice, Winston, McNeil), LB or Holmes at WR.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

That would be a horrible move on our part to take him in the first. No way do I see Watson even close to being the BPA at 18.

With our first rounder we either need a playmaker or someone who can help solidify our OL.

Having a run stuffing NT is good, but I think there would be much better talent available at 18. I'd much rather go with the best OT (Justice, Winston, McNeil), LB or Holmes at WR.

I agree. Not advocating this, just stating I would not be surprised if this guy is our first pick.

- Mike G.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Okie dokie, then if someone on INternet who has infatuation with NE than Cowboys says so, I guess I got to go with him than what I saw on TV.

I guess Loyd Carr must be smoking something bad, to bench the Gabe Watson, as he couldn't see the talent they had on roster, even though all Gabe Watson had to do was hold his point of attack and not get sacks.

Like someone says, watch the games before saying what the guy did or not do. I am not trying to bash you here, but people go off on stats or physical measurements rather than production as shown on tape. Gabe Watson's label of underachiever has nothing to do with his stats or no sacks he didn't get. Its for the number of times he fails to show up and play with the same intensity every game.

But, then what do I know, I just go by what I see when I am watching games. I guess us Michigan fans hate the Michigan players

Right.

- Mike G.

 

[DLCassidy]

That would be a horrible move on our part to take him in the first. No way do I see Watson even close to being the BPA at 18.

With our first rounder we either need a playmaker or someone who can help solidify our OL.

Having a run stuffing NT is good, but I think there would be much better talent available at 18. I'd much rather go with the best OT (Justice, Winston, McNeil), LB or Holmes at WR.

Bingo.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I really hope we didn't drop $10MM on Ferguson last year only to use our first round pick the very following year to upgrade his exact same position. That would be almost like drafting a corner to play Henry's spot the year after giving him a ton of money... Yet no one advocates doing that.

People hate to hear it, but in the salary cap era you do draft at least somewhat for need. If we really need a NT already, the Fergy contract was a huge, huge mistake.

And even if it does turn out to be a mistake, surely we'll let this year play out before we decide that.

 

[junk]

1) Cowboys spent a lot of time with Spears at last years Senior Bowl.

2)Watson was voted 1st team All Big 10.

3) He's constantly doubled and still dominant and disruptive. Same guys saying he sucks here are the same guys saying Fergi SUCKS TOO! No clue on what a 3-4 NT is asked to do.

4) He is blowing up Senior Bowl and Dallas is interested.


The few games I saw Watson he played very good. Disruptive actually.

Hawthorne was also 1st team All Big 10....twice. He also had a very good Senior Bowl last year and didn't carry the rep as a guy who took plays off.

Watson's benching, apparent lack of motivation at times and the fact that MI fans are leery of him all have to be big red flags.

 

[Rogerthat12]

1) Cowboys spent a lot of time with Spears at last years Senior Bowl.

2)Watson was voted 1st team All Big 10.

3) He's constantly doubled and still dominant and disruptive. Same guys saying he sucks here are the same guys saying Fergi SUCKS TOO! No clue on what a 3-4 NT is asked to do.

4) He is blowing up Senior Bowl and Dallas is interested.


The few games I saw Watson he played very good. Disruptive actually.[/quot

I agree, watching him at the sb he is pushing back the offensive players with ease...he is a beast. Bill can shape him and I would not mind that move at all.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

One of the strongest players in college football. Would be a perfect fit for a team running a 3-4 Scheme.

I would not be shocked at all if the Cowboys were to take him at Number 18.

- Mike G.

I would cos he wouldn't start.

We need a starter in round 1... not a 'rotation' guy.

FS or LB.

 

[Nors]

Me thinks Michigan fans aren't breaking off Coach Lloyd Cars stones hard enough. Horrid coach that should be fired - years ago.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I really hope we didn't drop $10MM on Ferguson last year only to use our first round pick the very following year to upgrade his exact same position. That would be almost like drafting a corner to play Henry's spot the year after giving him a ton of money... Yet no one advocates doing that.

People hate to hear it, but in the salary cap era you do draft at least somewhat for need. If we really need a NT already, the Fergy contract was a huge, huge mistake.

And even if it does turn out to be a mistake, surely we'll let this year play out before we decide that.

Exactly.

We blow a first round pick on a NT and I'll snap!

 

[Nors]

I would cos he wouldn't start.

We need a starter in round 1... not a 'rotation' guy.

FS or LB.

Games are won in the trenches - see our Dline rotation in 90's.....We need a 341 Pound anchor in there with Fergi. Not a 285 pound gap shooter.


FS/LB can be mined in rounds 2-5. Value picks there to be had.

 

[Alexander]

Coach Parcells is close with Lloyd Carr.

I am sure we will get the inside knowledge on this player.

Just because we are talking to him at the Senior Bowl is not a sign we are drafting him, but is a sign of doing our due dilligence.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That would be a horrible move on our part to take him in the first. No way do I see Watson even close to being the BPA at 18.

With our first rounder we either need a playmaker or someone who can help solidify our OL.

Having a run stuffing NT is good, but I think there would be much better talent available at 18. I'd much rather go with the best OT (Justice, Winston, McNeil), LB or Holmes at WR.

except for the Holmes part

 

[Nors]

Exactly.

We blow a first round pick on a NT and I'll snap!

How to build a 3-4 Dline


#1 Seymour
#1 Warren
#1 Wilfork


#1 Spears
#1 Canty
#1 NT - Watson or Ngata!!!!!!!!

Groundhog day at the Arctic circle today? Tundra thaw? Who do you take at #18 - what position? Just watched the History channel - you are facing a new little Ice age. Glaciars on the move and deserts SW US face rising Sand Tsunami threats. Creepy stuff

 

[MichaelWinicki]

How to build a 3-4 Dline


#1 Seymour
#1 Warren
#1 Wilfork


#1 Spears
#1 Canty
#1 NT - Watson or Ngata!!!!!!!!

Groundhog day at the Arctic circle today? Tundra thaw? Who do you take at #18 - what position? Just watched the History channel - you are facing a new little Ice age. Glaciars on the move and deserts SW US face rising Sand Tsunami threats. Creepy stuff

We need linebackers far more than another NT at this point.

Shanle sucked... Fowler? Not much better. Fujita? Backup material.

 

[Nors]

You can get one of these Tackles round 2 -

Just what we need - more rookie Tackle's. Rogers, Petitti, Tucker.....

 

[Nors]

We need linebackers far more than another NT at this point.

Shanle sucked... Fowler? Not much better. Fujita? Backup material.

Changing of the 4-3 guard
Dat, Coak, Als - GONE

Ellis/Glover in transit. Nail NT and we can go get a Manny Lawson or OLB prospect.

Wow - Kiwi getting schooled by Ferguson! Haha - ESPN


More - Kiwi pancaked by Coolidge!

 

[Hiero]

Me thinks Michigan fans aren't breaking off Coach Lloyd Cars stones hard enough. Horrid coach that should be fired - years ago.

Exactly. This guy doesn't do anything for me as a coach. He seems to continually underperform. The fact that he benched Watson doesn't really mean much to me. Hell Keyshawn has been suspended for a whole season and look atthe way he plays here. Parcells could easily mold Watson into the perfect beast NT. Watson would rotate for the next year or so until he is ready to be the dominant beast we need.
Ferguson was worth it, without him we wouldnt even have been able to play the 3-4 this year, he wasn't paid that much and its not like Jerry misses that money. Plus Ferguson provides us a vet to mentor Gabe and ease him into the lineup gradually which seems to be how Parcells likes to do it.
Not saying that Watson is my #1 priority, but I am not going to hate on him because of the issues with Carr.

 

[Duane]

Do we really spend a 1st round pick on a guy that's not going to start in 2006 or maybe the year after? I don't think so.

Several of the FS, OTs and LBs available will be of equal or better value at #18 and will start form day one.