Cowboys targeting WR early

[darthseinfeld]

Hyatt is Devonte Smith but bigger. If we can get him at 58 Im in.

He is nothing like Devonte Smith at all

 

[darthseinfeld]

How did drafting all those 1st round WRs work out for the Detroit Lions?

They drafted three in consecutive years. We drafted one three years ago. Not seeing the comparison

 

[cnuball21]

We can’t get into testing because we have no basis for Williams because of the injury. I suspect he’s a better athlete with better speed. Better route runner. Better in space. He’s better at everything. That“s why on your “consensus” big board he‘s at # 40. Williams would be WR #1. If you put on the tape and don’t see the difference I don’t know what to tell you.

So you’re guessing about the athleticism. Regardless the tape shows similar high end deep end speed but we can put that aside.

Hyatt>Williams in yards per route run
Hyatt>Williams in yards per game
Hyatt>Williams in drop rate
Williams>Hyatt in YPC
Williams>Hyatt in YAC

I’ll agree Williams was higher on big boards but I don’t see much difference. The size, type of player and production all match up fairly well and the tape does too. Watched both quite a bit. And again, the negatives are almost identical on their tape and scouting reports.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Based off of what? They’re almost clones…same size, athletic profile and 1 year of great SEC tape.

Their weaknesses as prospects are almost identical.

I don't think Hyatt has the upside Williams did. I think thats the separation. He is a smoother player and could become an explosive RAC guy if he finishes routes

In the end, both could very well end up being the same go route guys in the NFL

 

[Malhavoc]

So you’re guessing about the athleticism. Regardless the tape shows similar high end deep end speed but we can put that aside.

Hyatt>Williams in yards per route run
Hyatt>Williams in yards per game
Hyatt>Williams in drop rate
Williams>Hyatt in YPC
Williams>Hyatt in YAC

I’ll agree Williams was higher on big boards but I don’t see much difference. The size, type of player and production all match up fairly well and the tape does too. Watched both quite a bit. And again, the negatives are almost identical on their tape and scouting reports.

The reason he’s higher on boards is because he‘s the better prospect. No question about it. Are you telling me that Williams would not be WR 1 in this draft ?

 

[Big_D]

I think the early picks can be a Number of areas. RB ,DT, LB, WR, TE, OL, CB. with RB and guard probably the most pressing.

 

[TNCowboy]

The Cowboys have already hosted 4 Wide Receivers that are rated in the top 50 players per CBS:

• (10) Quinton Johnson - TCU
• (20) Zay Flowers - Boston College
• (45) Josh Downs - North Carolina
• (47) Jalin Hyatt - Tennessee

They've also hosted projected 6th round pick Jonathan Mingo of Ole Miss.

LOL Mingo isn't a 6th rounder.

 

[JBS]

I don't think Hyatt has the upside Williams did. I think thats the separation. He is a smoother player and could become an explosive RAC guy if he finishes routes

In the end, both could very well end up being the same go route guys in the NFL

Rank Addison, Flowers, Hyatt, Johnson, Downs

 

[cnuball21]

The reason he’s higher on boards is because he‘s the better prospect. No question about it. Are you telling me that Williams would not be WR 1 in this draft ?

Well one I think it’s tough to compare big board rankings across different classes and 2 part of my whole point is I’m questioning Hyatts ranking this year considering he’s basically a Williams clone.

I don’t think Williams should’ve even been the 1st WR taken in his class but that’s a whole different discussion.

In this class? It depends what teams want. Some teams might want a slot stud like JSN, some might want a do it all player like Flowers and some might prefer the deep threat like Williams.

 

[cnuball21]

I don't think Hyatt has the upside Williams did. I think thats the separation. He is a smoother player and could become an explosive RAC guy if he finishes routes

In the end, both could very well end up being the same go route guys in the NFL

I wouldn’t be surprised if they have very similar NFL careers if the QB play is similar.

 

[KDM256]

Did u watch the Bama game? I can give ya several games to watch.

Bama had safeties on Hyatt who either couldn't run step for step/not altering his route off the line or blown assignments.

 

[TNCowboy]

You draft to the talent in the draft, not the needs of your team. So what if we need a WR now? Odds are, a rookie isn't going to totally fulfill that need, especially when you don't have a high 1st rounder. A year from now when most rookies are more ready to contribute, your needs might be vastly different.

We need how many WRs? The Eagles had 2 who contributed, and a solid TE. The 49ers WRs are nothing special as a group after their top 2, along with a good TE. Much easier to make the case we need a TE than a WR. 3 of the final 4 teams had TEs who can hurt you, we have 2 guys whose career highlight is jumping in the Salvation Army pail.

That aside, the real difference is in the lines. We were reduced at times to depending on a 40 yr old washed up Jason Peters. We have 3 or 4 really good players on OL, and crap behind them. That's a huge, glaring need. So is DL. We don't have a single interior DL who worries opponents in the slightest.

Fact is, the team has tons of needs. RB, TE, OT, OG, DT, LB, could use another edge. And if one of the top QBs fell, they'd be fools not to consider them. The WR group isn't elite, but neither is any other position group. We're in better shape at WR than almost anywhere else you can look.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Rank Addison, Flowers, Hyatt, Johnson, Downs

Addison, Flowers, Johnson, Hyatt, Downs

 

[Malhavoc]

Well one I think it’s tough to compare big board rankings across different classes and 2 part of my whole point is I’m questioning Hyatts ranking this year considering he’s basically a Williams clone.

I don’t think Williams should’ve even been the 1st WR taken in his class but that’s a whole different discussion.

In this class? It depends what teams want. Some teams might want a slot stud like JSN, some might want a do it all player like Flowers and some might prefer the deep threat like Williams.

London. Olave, and Wilson went before Williams. And there is no doubt in my mind all 4 guys would be rated higher than any wideout in this draft. Hyatt‘s ranking on the collective boards is what he is a 2nd round propsect. Other than being able to take the top off a defense, I don’t see any similarities in their games. Williams is so much more fluid and dynamic IMO. And his evaluation in the scouting community would seem to support that.

 

[cnuball21]

London. Olave, and Wilson went before Williams. And there is no doubt in my mind all 4 guys would be rated higher than any wideout in this draft. Hyatt‘s ranking on the collective boards is what he is a 2nd round propsect. Other than being able to take the top off a defense, I don’t see any similarities in their games. Williams is so much more fluid and dynamic IMO. And his evaluation in the scouting community would seem to support that.

Ahh you’re right - I was thinking he went 1st for some reason.

Disagree with everything else.

 

[morasp]

The problem with consensus boards is they're watered down with a lot of copy cats. You're better off picking one that's been pretty accurate and use that one. How a player does in the NFL depends on a lot of factors like surrounding players coaching etc. It's always fun to look back after three years and see how the players turned out. I wouldn't judge Williams on how he does this year either, it might take him a while to fully recover from the injury like Gallup but he's also adjusting to the NFL but after three years we should have a pretty good idea how things will shape up.

6.5 Hyatt
6.5 Burks 33/444
6.5 Wilson 74/1014
6.48 Williams 1/41
6.46 Downs
6.45 Flowers
6.43 Olave 83/1103
6.41 NJigba
6.4 London 72/866
6.4 Johnston

 

[ghst187]

I like Mingo and Mims in mid rounds but only Flowers in round 1

 

[Malhavoc]

The problem with consensus boards is they're watered down with a lot of copy cats. You're better off picking one that's been pretty accurate and use that one. How a player does in the NFL depends on a lot of factors like surrounding players coaching etc. It's always fun to look back after three years and see how the players turned out. I wouldn't judge Williams on how he does this year either, it might take him a while to fully recover from the injury like Gallup but he's also adjusting to the NFL but after three years we should have a pretty good idea how things will shape up.

6.5 Hyatt
6.5 Burks 33/444
6.5 Wilson 74/1014
6.48 Williams 1/41
6.46 Downs
6.45 Flowers
6.43 Olave 83/1103
6.41 NJigba
6.4 London 72/866
6.4 Johnston

Those rankings are garbage. Hyatt is the #10 ranked player in the entire draft. Drew Sanders is the #9 prospect. That is ridiculou.

 

[Sydla]

He is nothing like Devonte Smith at all

He runs fast. Like Devonte. Ergo. He's just like him. LOL.

You are right............ Smith was more polished coming out of Bama.

 

[Pass2Run]

IMO, Mingo and Wilson would be decent picks. But more like 3rd round guys...not 6th.