Cowboys | Team likes Hatcher's potential

[peck-sicilyisland]

I have watched Jason Hatcher for 4 years,he will be a great football player at the next level.but the thing you will find about him,is that he is a great person.A down home country boy who will be big time.He is also a hard working kid and very coachable.I spend alot of time with Hacther during his Grambling days.And I am a coach,and I played in the nfl,he has great talent.Coming out of high school he was one of the top piayers in the nation.

 

[Bryce]

A "pet" move is a unique move that certain players can only make. Some players cannot execute all the defensive moves, so the coaches make them work on ONE move that they can do REALLY good...then they build from there. That gets the player started and help the player to gain confidence to go to the next level....

I'm sure there are other interpertations of a "pet move" that some other posters can come up with...

Signature move?

 

[BIGDen]

What is a 'pet' move?

I believe it usually occurs within the first half hour after a prom has ended - often in the back of a limousine.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I like Hatcher's potential too

 

[Bob Sacamano]

OK, I admit to being dumb, stupid, ignorant, and uninformed (however, I'm a real nice guy...just not too bright). What is a 'pet' move?

a pet move, in this case, is a pass-rusher's trademark move, one that you use best, and most effectively, such as the bull-rush, or spin-move

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

From the tape I watched on Hatcher, he doesn't seem to have a "trademark" move, or whatever you want to call it, but he is very good at using his hands to constantly beat on the blocker's hands & arms to keep them from getting into his body. One move I did notice, if you want to call it that, was that he leans in with his inside shoulder against the blocker's chest, then beats on the blocker's outer arm & shoulder to keep from being held, while he's turning him inside toward the ballcarrier-if that makes sense.

The one thing that really impresses me is his ability to read the play very quickly. I know these are all "highlights", but still, this is a very critical skill for such a young player. This allows him to stay one step ahead of his blockers, so he doesn't get taken wide, or trapped inside, like so many young DEs do. His first step is almost always to the outside, watching the whole time for the run. His quickness allows him to begin each play as a pass rusher, then recover to make the play on the RB. Charles Haley was a master at that, & our Mr. Ware is learning it quickly, as well.

If Hatcher develops like I think & am hoping he will, we are going to be quite loaded at the DE position.

 

[JackMagist]

Hatcher will get some coaching and some reps in this year and we will see what his potential looks like. Then he will get his shot at adding 20 lbs of muscle next offseason and we will be wondering how to get him into the games more. We might soon find ourselves with an embarrassment of riches at the DE position...I can't wait.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

We might soon find ourselves with an embarrassment of riches at the DE position...I can't wait.

remember when we were crying about finding just 1 quality DE?! now we have 4, potentially very good ones, 5 if you count Ware as a DE

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

If Ellis holds out...I will be totally confused! He was "supposed" to be a Team Captain...

Ive seen several clips of him doing the pre-game speech, I think he is one of the leaders.

 

[jackrussell]

Pet move.

 

[ZeroClub]

I have watched Jason Hatcher for 4 years,he will be a great football player at the next level.but the thing you will find about him,is that he is a great person.A down home country boy who will be big time.He is also a hard working kid and very coachable.I spend alot of time with Hacther during his Grambling days.And I am a coach,and I played in the nfl,he has great talent.Coming out of high school he was one of the top piayers in the nation.

That's great to hear. And very nice to hear it from someone who has experience with the guy.

I think he's in a very good situation with the Cowboys. It seems like people have high hopes for him, but not a lot of immediate high expectations.

Assuming that he does what he needs to do from the start (hard work, intensity, remain trouble-free, shows progress), he'll be given some time to develop.

That's not a bad way to start an NFL career.

 

[starfrombirth]

Pass rusher r not developed... u either have the ability to get to the QB or u dont!!! I cant recall any player who was in the league for a few years and turned his game into a PASS RUSHER!!!

Actually that's not quite correct. For example if someone was the victim of poor coaching in college, he might be good enuff to still show flashes of talent. Say that person slips in the draft and gets drafted by the cowboys and receives professional coaching, he might become "The Big Cat....Leon Lett".

 

[tyke1doe]

Pass rusher r not developed... u either have the ability to get to the QB or u dont!!! I cant recall any player who was in the league for a few years and turned his game into a PASS RUSHER!!!

Uh, Jason Taylor. Went from 5 to 9 to 2.5 to 14 sacks.

Uh, Bertrand Berry. Went from 0 to 4 to 1 to 2 to 6.5 sacks before he posted double-digit sacks.

Pass rush isn't an inherent ability. Speed and strength are. You can augment speed and strength to get the most out of your speed/strength potential, but you can't increase them significantly.

All pass rushing is is a combination of speed and strength and moves. Moves can be taught, and depending on other factors such as football intelligence, proper coaching, a player can become a good pass rusher, provided he has the speed and strength to do so.

You can have great skills and technique, but if you don't have the speed to get to the quarterback or the strength to get past offensive linemen, your technique doesn't matter.

In college, particularly in smaller schools, the players don't get the proper coaching. So proper coaching does make a difference, especially to players who have natural talent.

To be quite honest, DeMarcus Ware wasn't all that at Troy State University. But he had enough talent/tools that the Cowboys and others saw that with proper coaching and training he could become a great player.

I suspect Hatcher will benefit from professional coaching and being put on a weight-training schedule.

I have high hopes for him. But I guess that can be said of every rookie drafted by a team.

 

[PullMyFinger]

Thank You Sir. In my youth I had a few pet moves myself.

YOUTH???????I thought you were born an old grump.....:

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Uh, Jason Taylor. Went from 5 to 9 to 2.5 to 14 sacks.

Uh, Bertrand Berry. Went from 0 to 4 to 1 to 2 to 6.5 sacks before he posted double-digit sacks.

Pass rush isn't an inherent ability. Speed and strength are. You can augment speed and strength to get the most out of your speed/strength potential, but you can't increase them significantly.

All pass rushing is is a combination of speed and strength and moves. Moves can be taught, and depending on other factors such as football intelligence, proper coaching, a player can become a good pass rusher, provided he has the speed and strength to do so.

You can have great skills and technique, but if you don't have the speed to get to the quarterback or the strength to get past offensive linemen, your technique doesn't matter.

In college, particularly in smaller schools, the players don't get the proper coaching. So proper coaching does make a difference, especially to players who have natural talent.

To be quite honest, DeMarcus Ware wasn't all that at Troy State University. But he had enough talent/tools that the Cowboys and others saw that with proper coaching and training he could become a great player.

I suspect Hatcher will benefit from professional coaching and being put on a weight-training schedule.

I have high hopes for him. But I guess that can be said of every rookie drafted by a team.

To some extend I agree. I think coaching at an advanced level can help bring out improved pass rush ability.

But did the two guys you mention above improve due to just coaching or was it due to a combination of factors such as:

Improved coaching?
Improved physical prowness?
Gain in experience?

While I'm not sure about Berry, I am sure that Taylor was a very capable pass rusher at the college level. It just took him some time (and possibly additional coaching) to take his abilit to the next level.

I have high hopes for Hatcher... We need him to come through at this point due to the Ellis situation. Without Ellis this year our pass rush is going to take a major hit.

 

[Hostile]

The best thing about Hatcher was the report I got about Bill Belichek calling Parcells on the phone to call him an SOB for stealing his next pick.

Hatcher's going to be a nice pick. Bank on it.

 

[Alexander]

The best thing about Hatcher was the report I got about Bill Belichek calling Parcells on the phone to call him an SOB for stealing his next pick.

Hatcher's going to be a nice pick. Bank on it.

Was it really Belichick or just scout scuttlebutt? I must have missed that report.

 

[Hostile]

Was it really Belichick or just scout scuttlebutt? I must have missed that report.

I got that from someone who was at Valley Ranch, not from any news source. Belichek apparently called Parcells at the end of day 1 just to gripe at him because we took Hatcher.

 

[Alexander]

I am sure that Taylor was a very capable pass rusher at the college level.

He was a very good pass rushing prospect at Akron. I remember that draft and this is back in the days when I thought Jimmy Johnson could do no wrong and I said to myself he got another one. Johnson knew defensive talent, that's not a question.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I love the optimism......hopefully, we got a steal