Cowboys TEs 40 times

[Zman5]

Hanna ran a 4.49 at the combine but even then, people said they were surprised by his time because he didn't play at that speed, and we've seen that to be true.

In his rookie year, he did flash some of that speed. He caught some seam passes and had some long gains.

 

[Zman5]

Why we didn't develop Hanna is about him having a very limited skill set.

If your mind boggles on that I worry how you will handle more complex problems

You typically "develop" players with limited skill set. Players who already have the skills don't need much "development".
A simple concept, your simple mind can't comprehend obviously.

 

[Jarv]

Hanna was the fastest Tight End at the Combine in 2012. He was regarded as a pass catcher with limited blocking skills. Wonder if the James Hanna at the combine was someone else who snuck in (ala Prime a few years ago).

Yeah and our coaches decided he should be the blocking TE.

 

[btcutter]

Due to all the comments about Swaim being so slow, I looked up what his 40 time was. I was also curious about our other TE 40 times.

I was surprised with what I found. You would think Escobar would be one of the faster TEs but he is actually the slowest one on the active roster.

Hanna has/had WR speed when he was drafted. Why we didn't develop him more as a pass catching TE is mind boggling. I remember when he was drafted some here were hoping he turned into a A. Hernandez type of player. Instead, we turned him into a blocking TE.


The following are predraft numbers:

Swaim:
40 Low: 4.61 40 Time: 4.71 40 High: 4.82

Witten:
40 Low: 4.55 40 Time: 4.65 40 High: 4.76

Hanna:
40 Low: 4.33 40 Time: 4.43 40 High: 4.54

Escobar:
40 Low: 4.68 40 Time: 4.78 40 High: 4.89

Gathers:
40 Low: 4.72 40 Time: 4.79 40 High: 4.90

This just proves how useless 40 time is. Watch the tape. If they can separate they are fast. None of our TE can. For that matter most of our WRs neither.

 

[landroverking]

Jason Witten has become my favorite play. Throw back to Iron Mike.
Slow but oh so good.

 

[EPL0c0]

Due to all the comments about Swaim being so slow, I looked up what his 40 time was. I was also curious about our other TE 40 times.

I was surprised with what I found. You would think Escobar would be one of the faster TEs but he is actually the slowest one on the active roster.

Hanna has/had WR speed when he was drafted. Why we didn't develop him more as a pass catching TE is mind boggling. I remember when he was drafted some here were hoping he turned into a A. Hernandez type of player. Instead, we turned him into a blocking TE.


The following are predraft numbers:

Swaim:
40 Low: 4.61 40 Time: 4.71 40 High: 4.82

Witten:
40 Low: 4.55 40 Time: 4.65 40 High: 4.76

Hanna:
40 Low: 4.33 40 Time: 4.43 40 High: 4.54

Escobar:
40 Low: 4.68 40 Time: 4.78 40 High: 4.89

Gathers:
40 Low: 4.72 40 Time: 4.79 40 High: 4.90

I'll take a TE that runs solid routes, gets open, and has good hands over a TE that can run a lower 40 time.

 

[Plankton]

Swaim turned his ankle in practice this week, btw, which explains his tranquilized baby deer on ice routine.


*note: Witten's time shown here in minutes.

Here's what they timed him with:

 

[Tommy]

Why we didn't develop him more as a pass catching TE is mind boggling. I remember when he was drafted some here were hoping he turned into a A. Hernandez type of player. Instead, we turned him into a blocking TE.

Was your mind equally boggled when the great Bill Walsh couldn't turn Renaldo Nehemiah into a legitimate receiver?

 

[AbeBeta]

You typically "develop" players with limited skill set. Players who already have the skills don't need much "development".
A simple concept, your simple mind can't comprehend obviously.

To say we didn't develop Hanna is silly.

He was a 6th round pick and earned a second contract. Most of the 6th rounders from five years back are out of the league at this point. That's development.

 

[Zman5]

To say we didn't develop Hanna is silly.

He was a 6th round pick and earned a second contract. Most of the 6th rounders from five years back are out of the league at this point. That's development.

I said as more of a pass catching TE to take advantage of his speed. Instead we developed him into a blocking TE.

Learn to read.

 

[jrumann59]

Use this as a rough timing comparison:

Glacial

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Due to all the comments about Swaim being so slow, I looked up what his 40 time was. I was also curious about our other TE 40 times.

I was surprised with what I found. You would think Escobar would be one of the faster TEs but he is actually the slowest one on the active roster.

Hanna has/had WR speed when he was drafted. Why we didn't develop him more as a pass catching TE is mind boggling. I remember when he was drafted some here were hoping he turned into a A. Hernandez type of player. Instead, we turned him into a blocking TE.


The following are predraft numbers:

Swaim:
40 Low: 4.61 40 Time: 4.71 40 High: 4.82

Witten:
40 Low: 4.55 40 Time: 4.65 40 High: 4.76

Hanna:
40 Low: 4.33 40 Time: 4.43 40 High: 4.54

Escobar:
40 Low: 4.68 40 Time: 4.78 40 High: 4.89

Gathers:
40 Low: 4.72 40 Time: 4.79 40 High: 4.90

40 times are somewhat meaningless. the more important number is 3 cone drill. 10 yard split with TEs its about getting separation, given they don't run 40 yards often and ability to run routes.

 

[Zman5]

40 times are somewhat meaningless. the more important number is 3 cone drill. 10 yard split with TEs its about getting separation, given they don't run 40 yards often and ability to run routes.

Here are the 3 Cone drill numbers. I added TWill and OBJ for comparison.

Hanna
3-Cone Drill: 6.76

Witten
N/A

Swaim
3-Cone Drill: 7.28

Escobar
3-Cone Drill: 7.07

T. Williams
3-Cone Drill: 7.01

Odell Beckham
3-Cone Drill: 6.69

 

[Jinxx13x]

If he lays people out like he did hall last week get swaim some more playing time

 

[AbeBeta]

I said as more of a pass catching TE to take advantage of his speed. Instead we developed him into a blocking TE.

Learn to read.

Perhaps you could learn to think.

James Hanna caught 52 passes in college. He played 52 games. He was a player who showed no on the field speed in college, was a poor route runner, and got knocked off routes regularly. Tons of scouting reports nite surprise over his 40 time because he showed none of that on the field.

He was rated as a poor blocker but we saw that he understood angles and had potential there.

But in your estimation, if I may paraphrase "dur, he had a good 40 time. Dur, he's got great potential as a receivinating Tight End."

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Wonder what wittens time is now...I'm thinking 5.4 or there abouts

I can walk on my hands faster than Witten can run.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Why we didn't develop Hanna is about him having a very limited skill set.

If your mind boggles on that I worry how you will handle more complex problems

Pure straight line speed. And it doesnt really show up on game player. Good player, just not what you would think looking at measureables

 

[Zman5]

Perhaps you could learn to think.

James Hanna caught 52 passes in college. He played 52 games. He was a player who showed no on the field speed in college, was a poor route runner, and got knocked off routes regularly. Tons of scouting reports nite surprise over his 40 time because he showed none of that on the field.

He was rated as a poor blocker but we saw that he understood angles and had potential there.

But in your estimation, if I may paraphrase "dur, he had a good 40 time. Dur, he's got great potential as a receivinating Tight End."

Hanna had more potential as an pass catch TE than a blocking TE. This is another case of JG trying to fit a square peg in to a round hole. He wasn't known for being strong and he was more of a pass catching TE than a blocking TE when drafted. If they wanted to a blocking TE, they had better options.

And it's not even his 40 times. All of his combine stats are off the charts for a TE and is comparable to a WR.

As I said, learn to read and think before posting garbage.

 

[AbeBeta]

Hanna had more potential as an pass catch TE than a blocking TE. This is another case of JG trying to fit a square peg in to a round hole. He wasn't known for being strong and he was more of a pass catching TE than a blocking TE when drafted. If they wanted to a blocking TE, they had better options.

And it's not even his 40 times. All of his combine stats are off the charts for a TE and is comparable to a WR.

As I said, learn to read and think before posting garbage.

Right. Catch a game in college. Showed no game speed. Made it in the league as a blocker to a decent 2nd contract with that. Something few 6th rounders ever accomplish.

Keep clinging to your one dimensional 40 time analysis! Doin' great.

 

[Zman5]

Right. Catch a game in college. Showed no game speed. Made it in the league as a blocker to a decent 2nd contract with that. Something few 6th rounders ever accomplish.

Keep clinging to your one dimensional 40 time analysis! Doin' great.

Keep spewing your garbage.

Go learn how to read and then find all of Hanna's draft profiles. All of them indicate he has potential as a pass catch TE and not a good blocker because he is weak at POA.