News: Cowboys Trade for Christine Michael per Schefter

[ConstantReboot]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=christine michael seahawks maturity

Maybe he has maturity issues but so can be said with many young players.

I don't see where Seattle said he was lazy and had a bad worth ethic. Did you make that up?

 

[darthseinfeld]

I think Michaels is talented to start on any team especially the Cowboys. He just got caught in the numbers game and that they signed Lynch to a new contract he probably won't see much action this year as well. Jackson and Rawls are going to be backups and insurance if Lynch goes down. Thus they didn't need another insurance policy with CMike.

Long term it makes sense for them to keep Rawls ( whom Im actually a big fan of) over Michael even if Michael is the better player as they ( I could be wrong, but I think this is accurate ) will still have Rawls on a rookie deal when they are done with the guarenteed portion of Lynchs deal

 

[Common Sense]

Maybe he has maturity issues but so can be said with many young players.

I don't see where Seattle said he was lazy and had a bad worth ethic. Did you make that up?

No, the guy who keeps arguing with me did. I never said he was lazy.

 

[Alexander]

does he keep his 33 Jersey number with the Cowboys? More than likely right? 33 was used by Malena and now he is gone.

Kind of hope he gets another number.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Long term it makes sense for them to keep Rawls ( whom Im actually a big fan of) over Michael even if Michael is the better player as they ( I could be wrong, but I think this is accurate ) will still have Rawls on a rookie deal when they are done with the guarenteed portion of Lynchs deal

Rawls is a good player too. It would have been one over the other. Seattle decided they wanted to keep Rawls. Thus opening the trade for CMike.

 

[mattjames2010]

I find it sad that you need a single internet source to say something verbatim for you to accept it, rather than being able to read multiple sources, self-educate, and reach a logical conclusion.

Anyway, the word I used was immature, not lazy. Please stop making things up as you go along. It's incredibly obnoxious.

I actually have read multiple articles on him, even before we traded for him. I read up on him since there were rumors he was on the bubble. I have yet to read a single thing that states anywhere near what you're saying. I'll quote you for the last time.

"he has never demonstrated the maturity to put in the work to get better at any of the things keeping him off of the field."

Your quote implies he was lazy or has a bad work ethic. You can post that link at any time, if you'd like.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Ive disagreed with mattjames more times then I can count over the years on other forums as well as this one. He does his research

 

[Nightman]

Rawls is a good player too. It would have been one over the other. Seattle decided they wanted to keep Rawls. Thus opening the trade for CMike.

4 years vs 2................no brainer

 

[Zekeats]

Seems like most Hawks fans are a little worried

http://seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=112889&sid=5af8703c17ea2f20cda1cbf4c84aa090

 

[Vinnie2u]

So we're probably getting about 3-4 comp picks. Gave up a 6th for Swaim a conditional for CM. you can't trade comp picks. So substitute the comp picks for the traded picks and it's a wash.

 

[DanTanna]

What? Someone said he had bad work ethic? Some POS rival said that end of story.

 

[Common Sense]

I actually have read multiple articles on him, even before we traded for him. I read up on him since there were rumors he was on the bubble. I have yet to read a single thing that states anywhere near what you're saying. I'll quote you for the last time.

"he has never demonstrated the maturity to put in the work to get better at any of the things keeping him off of the field."

Your quote implies he was lazy and has a bad work ethic. You can post that link at any time, if you'd like.

The only thing my quote implies is exactly what it says: Michael has struggled with maturity issues and with doing things like pass protecting and taking care of the football. You keep getting shut down, so your only course of action is to argue against things I never said.

 

[Alexander]

I actually have read multiple articles on him, even before we traded for him. I read up on him since there were rumors he was on the bubble. I have yet to read a single thing that states anywhere near what you're saying. I'll quote you for the last time.

"he has never demonstrated the maturity to put in the work to get better at any of the things keeping him off of the field."

Your quote implies he was lazy or has a bad work ethic. You can post that link at any time, if you'd like.

What exactly do you believe rolls up into a player developing a reputation for being immature? It is not a stretch to say that the characteristic of being "lazy" is one of them.

This is a direct quote from Darrell Bevell:

"He has a special talent. It's something that we're hoping comes to the forefront, that he'll really take the bit and really compete for us at that spot. There's no question he has the talent. But he's got to do the right thing all the time."

So if it is not lazy, it is inconsistent then? I do think if someone has the talent but just does not do the little things all the time to maximize it, they just might be "lazy".

It is pretty rare you will have anyone in a team capacity come out and say "Player X is lazy". It just doesn't happen.

 

[CATCH17]

Seems like most Hawks fans are a little worried

http://seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=112889&sid=5af8703c17ea2f20cda1cbf4c84aa090

Just reading through that it seems like most of their fans think he is super talented but for every good play you get a few bad ones.

Not a consistent player in that fan bases opinion.

 

[JDSmith]

They kept saying they were comfortable with what they have

They also said they'd look for potential upgrades. At no point did they say they wouldn't. Trading a conditional 7th round pick is about as risk free as any upgrade they could make. This move is exactly in line with what they have been saying.

 

[mattjames2010]

What exactly do you believe rolls up into a player developing a reputation for being immature? It is not a stretch to say that the characteristic of being "lazy" is one of them.

This is a direct quote from Darrell Bevell:




So if it is not lazy, it is inconsistent then? I do think if someone has the talent but just does not do the little things all the time to maximize it, they just might be "lazy".

It is pretty rare you will have anyone in a team capacity come out and say "Player X is lazy". It just doesn't happen.

And your conclusion, just like Common Sense (The irony), is ridiculous. And yes, inconsistent IS the better word. Actually, that's exactly what their position coach said in the link provided earlier.

You guys continue to equate not reaching potential with being lazy. You have Pete Carroll stating before the 2014 season that he was the most improved player on the roster. Kinda shoots down everything being claimed.

And here's the entire quote, not your single line.

"“He’s been good. Last couple days, we’ve missed him a little bit. But he has a special talent. It’s something that we’re hoping comes to the forefront, that he’ll really take the bit and really compete for us at that spot. There’s no question he has the talent, but he’s just got to do the right thing all the time. I think he’s really done well up to this point until we’ve missed him the last couple days.”

 

[Common Sense]

And your conclusion, just like Common Sense (The irony), is ridiculous. And yes, inconsistent IS the better word. Actually, that's exactly what their position coach said in the link provided earlier.

You guys continue to equate not reaching potential with being lazy. You have Pete Carroll stating before the 2014 season that he was the most improved player on the roster. Kinda shoots down everything being claimed.

You mean rah-rah Pete Carroll said something positive about a player publicly to the media? This changes everything.

Repeat after me: No one said he was lazy. That's something you made up and won't stop repeating.

Would I be surprised if it came out that he was considered lazy? Not really, because it would explain his inconsistencies and lack of production.

 

[JDSmith]

He's a bruiser. We needed a bruiser. We gave up a conditional 7th round pick.

What's not to love about this?

 

[Corso]

The only thing my quote implies is exactly what it says: Michael has struggled with maturity issues and with doing things like pass protecting and taking care of the football. You keep getting shut down, so your only course of action is to argue against things I never said.

I understand what you're saying, and I tend to agree- and with Alex a few posts down: immaturity could include laziness.
Not couch potato laziness, mind you, but a different kind of laziness. It may just be what I, as a layman, would like to term "directional effort"- which I describe as someone who's putting forth work, but it's not what he/she needs to be doing.
Like treading water- you lose calories, but not much else. It's more of a mental laziness than a physical one.

I think the good news is: he wants to be here and knows the opportunity before him should he change his course and maximize what he can do.
He's basically said he really wants to be on this team not long ago. He IS motivated, I'm sure.

Now that brings back the immaturity: he'll do what he needs to do when the cards are in his favor and isn't a true pro that knows his moment can come at any time and to be ready.

Well... we got him for gelatto so I'll still fully back this. I won't go all-in with the cat. He's going to have to do a bit of provin' for me, but I fully support giving this guy a real chance and hope he can translate his skills and absorb coaching knowing he can be Da Man if he does. He has elite physicals, now he needs to merge it with all the other things that separates the nobodies from the greats at that level.

Here's a beer on me, brother...

 

[Alexander]

And your conclusion, just like Common Sense (The irony), is ridiculous. And yes, inconsistent IS the better word. Actually, that's exactly what their position coach said in the link provided earlier.

You guys continue to equate not reaching potential with being lazy. You have Pete Carroll stating before the 2014 season that he was the most improved player on the roster. Kinda shoots down everything being claimed.

And here's the entire quote, not your single line.

"“He’s been good. Last couple days, we’ve missed him a little bit. But he has a special talent. It’s something that we’re hoping comes to the forefront, that he’ll really take the bit and really compete for us at that spot. There’s no question he has the talent, but he’s just got to do the right thing all the time. I think he’s really done well up to this point until we’ve missed him the last couple days.”

And not a thing you posted answered my question.

Do you totally believe that when an obviously talented player fails that it is not due in some part to laziness? And what exactly comprises the label someone gets when called "immature"? Does that scream hard working, doing their best consistently? Not to me.

So what kept him from doing the right thing, all the time? What would make the coach make this observation?

Honestly, I don't know if he is lazy. But I am not naïve to think that if a player does not realize their potential that laziness plays no part in that.