Game Day ***Cowboys vs Bills post game thread***

[TrailBlazer]

Weeden is 1-0 not 2-0. He came in last week in relief of Yates because he got injured. Same as when he came in for Romo for us in week 2.

Point still stands. Weeden is balling with the Texans, a playoff team, with a real HC that knows offense, and better yet.. a real HC that knows how to win with C+ quarterbacks. Without Arian Foster. Texans don't have the talent Dallas has, yet they manage to find a way to win.

 

[KJJ]

Weeden is 1-0 not 2-0. He came in last week in relief of Yates because he got injured. Same as when he came in for Romo for us in week 2.

Weeden is 2-0 because when he relieved Yates last week Houston was down by 7 and he brought them from behind so he gets the win.

 

[percyhoward]

Point still stands. Weeden is balling with the Texans, a playoff team, with a real HC that knows offense, and better yet.. a real HC that knows how to win with C+ quarterbacks. Without Arian Foster. Texans don't have the talent Dallas has, yet they manage to find a way to win.

He looked very good against the Titans' 31st-ranked pass defense that had nothing to play for except draft position. With the Cowboys, he also looked good (without his #1 WR) against the Saints' 32nd-ranked pass defense. He played well for the Texans in relief the previous week, but he played even better whenever he came into our games in relief.

Over Weeden's last 18 starts (going back to 2012), he's only had a 90+ rating four times. The four defenses he faced ranked 29th, 29th, 31st, and 32nd. So there's not much to talk about until he starts a game and plays well against anything other than a horrible defense.

 

[Beast_from_East]

He was clearly told to play conservative even Romo was checking down a lot in the opener. Weeden won games in Cleveland and has won two important games with Houston despite being with them only a few weeks. That's a big slap in the Cowboys face on how they've been running their offense. Weeden has won games with every team he's been with but the Cowboys. I believe his lack of success in Dallas had more to do with the system and coaching than him as a QB.

We've only won one game with 3 backup QBs even Dave Campo did better than that with all the QBs he went through. Romo had a losing record from 2010 to 2013 despite putting up efficient numbers. I know from watching him on the sidelines during those 8-8 seasons that he wasn't thrilled with the offensive approach at times.

Exactly my friend.................when a coaching staff changes QBs 3 times during the season and the only win to show for it was gift wrapped and handed to them on a silver platter...........doesn't look good.

Throw in the fact that one of the QBs you could not get a win with goes to your instate rival and starts winning immediately. Makes the entire coaching staff look like a joke.

 

[Jstopper]

Weeden is 2-0 because when he relieved Yates last week Houston was down by 7 and he brought them from behind so he gets the win.

That may be the case in your book kj but according to the NFL and stats, Weeden does not get credit for that game as a win.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

He looked very good against the Titans' 31st-ranked pass defense that had nothing to play for except draft position. With the Cowboys, he also looked good (without his #1 WR) against the Saints' 32nd-ranked pass defense. He played well for the Texans in relief the previous week, but he played even better whenever he came into our games in relief.

Over Weeden's last 18 starts (going back to 2012), he's only had a 90+ rating four times. The four defenses he faced ranked 29th, 29th, 31st, and 32nd. So there's not much to talk about until he starts a game and plays well against anything other than a horrible defense.

Thank you for pointing this out to those with short-sighted views. Some people are just prisoners of the moment and fail to look at the complete picture.

I want Garrett gone just as much as anyone else on this site but it's silly to suggest that the Weeden is somehow performing better now that he's with the Texans.

He did enough to win the first 2 games he started for Dallas but the Cowboys' defense no-showed in both games.

 

[gimmesix]

I don't disagree with anything you've said other than trading down. And that only somewhat. My interest in trading down only involves the possibility that there's a player who the Cowboys think will be a better fit compared to the player there at their pick.
Let's assume Tunsil is available at our pick. I don't think we need another LT. I'd rather trade down and pick another player who could be just as good for us and fill a need.

Having said that, I agree l. We'll draft high enough to get some impact players. We can't mess this up.

Or can we?

The only reservation I have about trading down is getting too cute and missing out on the player we could have had. Even if Tunsil was the top player available, if we traded down two or three spots, who else did we miss out on?

I do hope, though, that we really supplement this draft by going after some big-time free agents this year. Players like Berry, Ivory or Lamar Miller, Wilkerson, Von Miller, even Alshon Jeffrey would improve our team heading into the draft.

We have money to spend and I hope Jerry decides to make a splash with it by going after three to four bona fide players this year instead of taking the approach of adding a bunch of average players hoping that will elevate the team. (I know some will worry that "splash" signings will hurt the cap, but the Cowboys are in good position to balance the contracts and not make it an issue.)

 

[EPL0c0]

Yes, coaching matters.

I didn't expect Weeden to throw 2 and run for 1, but winning in HOU was what I thought could happen. ...and it makes Garrett and his staff look bad.

He comes in with a few weeks prep and rolls (against the #13 defense). Weeden spent all of last year in Dallas and the full off-season and didn't seem as prepared here as he looked there.

It speaks volumes about how Garrett and his staff do things. We've seen other teams win with backups. The Dallas D has generally done enough to win IMO. But when an opposing offense can run their entire playbook because they have a lead, it will wear down a defense. And that's been the case in many games this year: Defense plays OK, offense fails to put up points.

The things Romo does really helped to cover up the deficiencies not just on the offense, but on the sidelines (coaches) and the front office (Jerry/Stephen).

Coaching most certainly does matter and this season has shown that Dallas' coaches and Dallas' system is SO dependent on EVERY cog to be exactly as it is on paper, that you lose one and the whole thing comes to a grinding halt.

 

[KJJ]

That may be the case in your book kj but according to the NFL and stats, Weeden does not get credit for that game as a win.

Yates gets credited with the start post a link where it shows he got credited with the win. It makes no sense to credit him with the win when the Texans were behind when he went out of the game and Weeden led them to a come from behind victory.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Weeden is balling with the Texans

He looked very good against the Titans' 31st-ranked pass defense that had nothing to play for except draft position. With the Cowboys, he also looked good (without his #1 WR) against the Saints' 32nd-ranked pass defense. He played well for the Texans in relief the previous week, but he played even better whenever he came into our games in relief.

Over Weeden's last 18 starts (going back to 2012), he's only had a 90+ rating four times. The four defenses he faced ranked 29th, 29th, 31st, and 32nd. So there's not much to talk about until he starts a game and plays well against anything other than a horrible defense.

Glad we cleared that up.

 

[perrykemp]

He looked very good against the Titans' 31st-ranked pass defense that had nothing to play for except draft position. With the Cowboys, he also looked good (without his #1 WR) against the Saints' 32nd-ranked pass defense. He played well for the Texans in relief the previous week, but he played even better whenever he came into our games in relief.

Over Weeden's last 18 starts (going back to 2012), he's only had a 90+ rating four times. The four defenses he faced ranked 29th, 29th, 31st, and 32nd. So there's not much to talk about until he starts a game and plays well against anything other than a horrible defense.

He has been careful with the ball with the Texans.

Heck, he was relatively careful with the ball with the Cowboys as evidenced by his 92 QB rating this year with Dallas -- without the benefit of playing with Dez.

Isn't that what you want from a backup QB from a team that otherwise supposed to be talent-laden and primed for a Superbowl run? You want you backup QB to not lose games for you.

 

[KJJ]

That may be the case in your book kj but according to the NFL and stats, Weeden does not get credit for that game as a win.

I checked pro football reference and and they're only crediting Weeden with the win this past week and giving Yates credit for the win last week vs Indy which makes no sense. The way they have it in the NFL as opposed to MLB whoever starts gets the win regardless if they're yanked or injured and their backup brings the team from behind for the win. So if a QB plays horrible and gets benched due to poor performance with their team down 20-0 and their backup brings them from behind for the win the QB who got benched is credited with the win because they started the game...ridiculous!

 

[percyhoward]

Heck, he was relatively careful with the ball with the Cowboys as evidenced by his 92 QB rating this year with Dallas -- without the benefit of playing with Dez.

Isn't that what you want from a backup QB from a team that otherwise supposed to be talent-laden and primed for a Superbowl run? You want you backup QB to not lose games for you.

I think the 0-7 already showed us that the team and scheme are too dependent on Romo (and to a lesser extent Dez). On some other team where that wasn't the case, Weeden's 92 rating (and his 8-for-30 converting on 3rd-down pass plays) might have been enough. Do Weeden's two games with the Texans tell us anything that we didn't already know -- either about him or the Cowboys?

 

[KJJ]

I think the 0-7 already showed us that the team and scheme are too dependent on Romo (and to a lesser extent Dez). On some other team where that wasn't the case, Weeden's 92 rating (and his 8-for-30 converting on 3rd-down pass plays) might have been enough. Do Weeden's two games with the Texans tell us anything that we didn't already know -- either about him or the Cowboys?

The Texans have won 8 games with 3 different QBs all of them essentially backups while the Cowboys are 1-10 with their backup QBs. Houston's had a worse QB situation than the Cowboys not having a franchise QB to start the season with. Weeden who never won a game with the Cowboys in 4 starts already has one win in Houston despite only being with the Texans since mid Nov. Offensively the Texans have been without their top back Arian Foster since late Oct having to depend on their passing game and defense. Despite having to play with 3 different QBs DeAndre Hopkins has over 100 catches with more than 1400 receiving yards and 11 TD's. The Cowboys leading receiver only has 71 catches for 655 yards and 2 TD's. All our receivers combined have only 13 TD's. Despite the Cowboys great OL that has 3 Pro Bowlers this year and a back that's been more productive than any of the Texans rushers Houston has been able to win 8 games due to solid coaching and a top 3 defense.

They've been able to adjust to their QBs and continue to stay in the playoff race. The Cowboys offense has been putrid despite arguably the best OL in football along with a future HOF TE in Jason Witten and Dez Bryant at WR for a number of games due to poor coaching from a staff that's been unable to make solid adjustments. The Cowboys dumped Weeden in favor of Cassel and went from bad to worse. The Cowboys moved on from a QB who currently has a TD to turnover ratio of 5-2 with a passer rating of 96.8 and his replacements have combined for only 6 TD's and 11 INT's with a passer rating under of 60.0. Everyone was so put off by the play of Cassel you have some on this board drooling over Kellen Moore who has a 1-4 TD to turnover ratio this season and a 45.5 passer rating.

Several teams have won games this season staying in the playoff race despite losing their starting QB and the Cowboys couldn't despite all the solid pierces they have on offense. That falls on the coaching and offensive system. Even the pitiful 2010 team that was 1-4 with Romo was able to adjust after he went down and win 5 games with Jon Kitna and Stephen McGee at QB. That team was able to go to Indy and beat a Peyton Manning led Colts team without Romo. Dez only contributed one catch in that game for 14 yards but the Cowboys managed 38 points and a win. Pretty discouraging that a team that got its head coach fired mid season and was promptly dismantled looked better than the team we have now.

 

[TrailBlazer]

He looked very good against the Titans' 31st-ranked pass defense that had nothing to play for except draft position. With the Cowboys, he also looked good (without his #1 WR) against the Saints' 32nd-ranked pass defense. He played well for the Texans in relief the previous week, but he played even better whenever he came into our games in relief.

Over Weeden's last 18 starts (going back to 2012), he's only had a 90+ rating four times. The four defenses he faced ranked 29th, 29th, 31st, and 32nd. So there's not much to talk about until he starts a game and plays well against anything other than a horrible defense.

I don't have to wait until the numbers prove my point before I tell you what I see with my eyes.
Weeden didn't make enough plays downfield bc our offense is NOT QB friendly. That's what I see.

Glad we cleared that up.