cowboys vs. my Commanders (last game of the season)

[5Stars]

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[random Cs]

Not that I agree or understand what redskins1 is talking about, I thought I'd help him out a bit...

Gee, you'd think such a "great" line would at least put the Skins in the top 10 in total offense at least ONCE in those 4 years...

Obviously not great, but total offense isn't the best indicator of offensive line play.

Chuckle... he's so bad that he started 61 of the 64 games he played for the Skins...

Once again, a Skins fan sneers at how useless any player who leaves them was... but don't you reckon if he really WAS so bad, your Hall of Fame coaching staff would have figured it out, and replaced him??
Instead, they badly wanted to KEEP Dockery this year, they just couldn't find the cap room to compete with the outrageous offer he got from the Bills...

Cmon Silver, we couldn't find the cap room? No one on this planet believes that. Not trying to bash Dock, he played well for us and steadily improved from season to season. I wouldn't have minded us overpaying to keep him, but I don't mind that we didn't. He isn't the best fit for our offense, great at the point of attack, but not so great pulling and zone blocking. I believe there was a statistic that claimed he was one of the top pulling guards in the league; clearly false. His footwork wasn't great and he had a knack for tripping over himself when moving. Not an athletic type guard; of course we weighs like 340.

and replacing Dockery with Wade is a downgrade...

Probably, but it doesn't mean our offense won't improve.

But I'm not saying any such thing, you're just trying to put words in my mouth... what I AM saying is Campbell showed you nothing last season to make you optimistic that he IS the "future"... certainly, he didn't light it up like Tony Romo did for the Boys... but you just blithely assume that all is well at quarterback, because you're a blind HOMER...

Not true at all, he showed intangibles that good QBs need, thing you can't teach. No one assumes all is well at QB though, Jason has some mechanic problems and he's only played for half a season. Beyond him we have nothing.

So, you're saying that the line "liked" Betts better than they "liked" Portis??

I've met Clinton a few times, he's an exceedingly nice guy and very humble. I met Ladell once and he was an arrogant *******.

Brunell wasn't much, but opponents had to respect the threat he posed in the passing game more than the threat Campbell posed...

I'm going to pretend that you didn't type that one...

So yes, I AM saying that Betts is a better fit in the offense the Skins are trying to run...

Even if that were true, Ladell is too soft to be our starting RB.

he's even proven to be a better receiver, which kind of surprised me...

? He's been our 3rd down back for years. :

Gawd, you have a serious problem with honesty... Moss missed TWO GAMES... that's hardly "in and out with injuries all year"...

Missed two, was inneffective for 4-6. He was noticibly limping in the games around his injury. He's a tough guy.

And why is it that you guys only have one WR?? Answer-- you made some moronic choices in free agency... problem is, you won't have any more good WRs this year either, so you'll once again be forced to pray that nothing happens to any of them...

It's not just the players, we don't have a passing game. No bread and butter plays, no consistency at QB or in our overall team offense. That's why we run so many WR screens and play-action bump and gos.

Quick, somebody send for the waaaaa-mbulance...

Chris was fine.

Or could it be those coaches knew they weren't healthy enough to play effectively, but given that they have no DEPTH, had no choice but to keep them out there??

That would be it.

And when it comes to YOUR injury situation, you simply weren't hurt that bad... you lost Portis for a big chunk of time, but Betts came in and played BETTER... as for the rest of your offense, your starters missed a grand total of FOUR GAMES... Lloyd missed one game, Moss missed two, Jansen missed one...

Let's not go crazy with the Ladell argument, he's great in his role, but he won't lead our team to any victories. He lacks toughness and break-away speed. As for our offense, well, it just aint very good, injuries or not.

On defense, the only player you lst for a chunk of time was Springs, but of course, he hasn't played a full 16 games in 7 years now... if you guys were counting on him to start every week, you were delusional... but other than that, Griffin missed 2 games, Salavea missed 3, Marshall missed 1, Rogers missed 1...

Many guys were playing hurt for the majority of the season, Marcus and Phillip Daniels for example. But that wasn't the problem with our D, it was a talent issue.

Their depth this year won't be any better, in fact it may be a little worse...

Probably, but it still doesn't mean our D won't improve. Last season was a disaster, players having problems with players, with the coaches, coaches having problems with eachother, etc.

Then you're either too much of a homer to be taken seriously, or you're out of your freakin' mind...

Uh, I don't think he realized what he was saying there...

Assistant coaches do NOT dictate who starts, and who doesn't... those decisions are made by Williams and Gibbs... Lindsay was scapegoated by the Skins, plain and simple; somebody had to pay for their miserable showing on defense last year, and they weren't about to get rid of Williams...

Lindsey was an ******* and no one is sad to see him go. Maybe the most arrogant man in the world. He wasn't scapegoated, our LB's played like garbage and were constantly out of position.

They probably should have fired your defensive line coach instead, given that the DL play was even worse than the LB play...

The only man more stubborn then Lindsey would be Blache. His system doesn't work, good coach, but his schemes suck.

Brain cramp on my part, of course I meant Ryan Clark... Bowen has always been a spare, but Clark was and is a better safety than anybody you tried to replace him with... that said, watch Archuleta play well for the Bears, which will of course be an indictment of your coaching staff's inability to use him properly...

Don't even go there. I'll never forgive our FO for letting Clark go, one of my favorite players. Great guy; the prototypical over-acheiver. As for Arch, he'll be great in Chicago, of course, playing next to one of the best D-Lines and LB cores in the league can make anyone look great,

Five years ago... never has come CLOSE to those numbers since then...

Carter played fine, DE's struggle in our system, especially guys like Carter who aren't typical Greg Blache DE's. He'll play better next season.

Yeah, he had 12 sacks in 32 games over the 2004-2005 seasons... he's an AWESOME force on the pass rush...

He's not a pass rusher, we just have him line up at the LOS so often he's bound to get some sacks. I wish we didn't, he isn't built like a Lineman, hence him getting hurt.

IOW, they haven't really been all that effective when it comes to "bringing pressure" under Williams...

He's talking about Gregg's blitzing schemes.

On that, we can agree... but if the Skins are serious about fixing their pass rush, they MUST stay at pick 6, and draft one of the few "stud" pass rushers out there... talking about trading for a linebacker (Briggs) or a cornerback (Samuel) is just asinine... as a Skins fan, you should be highly pissed if they do something so profoundly stupid...

Asante would piss me off, he wouldn't help anything and benefits from playing in the NE defense. I could deal with the Briggs move, we've done far worse for me to complain about trading for a young pro-bowl LB. Agreed though, we should stay at #6. I don't care who we draft, I don't care if we don't go D-Line and draft Landry or whatever, we need talent at pretty much every position.

What, you think being deep at one or two positions at best is good enough??

If we would build something stable then it would work, but not when you change coaches, personnel and schemes every year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I sure hope this game will have some meaning for both teams

my point is jerry is back in the saddle and I LOVE IT...under his total control his record does not look good...TAKE OVER JERRY!!!

oxy-moron?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I love that quote from one of the recent articles regarding the schedule. This isn't word-for-word, but it's pretty close:

"Until Joe Gibbs proves it was worthwhile for him to come out of retirement, the biggest rivalry and most exciting game in the NFC is Cowboys v. Eagles."

:laugh2: aint that the truth!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

But no, I'm not a boys fan at all.

you're just a Commander homer

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yes, our O-line is great.

you have a great Oline and running game, a good H-back

but have an inconsistent QB, 1 good player at WR, a D that can't pass-rush or stop the run, and 1 player who doesn't get burnt in the secondary, wow, you guys are set

 

[hendog]

Commanders suck!

 

[BigDFan5]

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[theebs]

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k thats funny. Thanks for posting. He has alot on the line this year.

Imagine if the skins are a 6 win team again this year and Dallas qualifies for the playoffs again and they go to washington to finish up. Ouch.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

oxy-moron?

Possibly.... AND... Under Jerry's rule the Commanders are winless... so how could redskins1 like that at all

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

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"If Woody(hehehe) would have gone straight to the police... none of this ever would have happened"

 

[theebs]

I never go to extremeskins, but I just did, looking around at some other teams boards, also read some buffalo stuff where I need to get tickets!!!

anyway, they have a thread over there saying they will have a top 5 offense and top 10 defense. All this because chris mortensen said he feels they are a playoff team.

They should be a playoff team imo, they have the talent, the schedule and the coaching staff has only had one change in 4 years.

 

[firehawk350]

you have a great Oline and running game, a good H-back

but have an inconsistent QB, 1 good player at WR, a D that can't pass-rush or stop the run, and 1 player who doesn't get burnt in the secondary, wow, you guys are set

A young QB more like it. I think we'll be fine at stopping the run this year. As for a pass-rush, PLEASE get Adams or Anderson... And you guys have one player that doesn't get burnt in the secondary. I like our CB depth far more then I like yours.

 

[zrinkill]

I like our CB depth far more then I like yours.

I like our starters much much better ..... and Glenn would be starting on your team.

 

[superpunk]

I think we'll be fine at stopping the run this year.

Apparently you think it is going to get better by osmosis, as it was dreaful lat year and you've done....nothing to fix it. Fletcher-Baker is hardly some mystical salve to solve your run-stopping woes, linebackers rarely are.

And you guys have one player that doesn't get burnt in the secondary. I like our CB depth far more then I like yours.

I love how you invent criteria for your team to be better at. Oh yeah, well our personal punt protector's are the greatest!

Spare me the CB depth and WR depth arguments we engaged in last year. You guys were wrong then, and you'll just be wrong now. Save some face for the regular season.

 

[AsthmaField]

In a 4-3 like Williams runs, LB's don't do much other than run to the ball and tackle. Problem with that on the Commanders is that the D line inhales so profusely that those tackles are 5-6 yards past the line of scrimmage. Yep, Fletcher-Baker will be nailing Marion Barber (or with that be Barber nailing Fletcher-Baker) about 7 yards downfield. Woopededoo.

And, if Snyder and Co. are dumb enough to make the colossal mistake of trading the #6 pick for the 31st and another LB, I'll break a rib laughing. Linebackers aren't going to do crap for that defense and I'm stunned that Williams would make that move. Oh, maybe Williams has very little say in it.

Just like when Jimmy Johnson ran a 4-3 in Dallas... the LB's were plug and play. The difference makers were at DE, DT, and CB. Those guys are where you spend your picks and dollars. They make the difference. Linebackers are just run-chase-cover-tackle guys, and like Johnson said... they're a dime-a-dozen.

So, please, PLEASE, trade the 6th overall pick on Briggs. Please.

Yes, in a 3-4 the LB's are the catalytic players... in a 4-3 it's the DE's and DT's that earn the big money. If you guys don't do something along the DL, your defense is going to stink it up just like they did last season. Just get ready for it.

One last thing: I can't wait for your new savior at QB to show that he can't handle the NFL. Oh, he looked a tad better than Brunell... but who wouldn't? He didn't do much of anything last year to show he can take a team anywhere and the Commander fans are simply drooling over him. It's going to be like a cold bucket of water over the head when he simply can't cut it and some blind Commander fans just might go into shock.

Letting Dockery go because you couldn't afford him and replacing him with a nobody and then adding a used up Smoot and a used up Fletcher isn't going to take that NFC East cellar dwellar anywhere. Yet, hope springs eternal in Washington... it really is comical.

Last year Snyder breaks the bank and it's "WhooHoo... Superbowl bound, baby! We're loaded!"

This year it's, "WhooHoo, Snyder learned not to break the bank and he got smart! Dock sucked man... he always tripped... and Fletcher will fix the defense! All of that for just pennies! Snyder has really learned! We're Superbowl bound baby! We're loaded!"

Truth is... the Commanders couldn't afford much of anything because of the stupid spending spree last year. Just like when they couldn't keep Pierce and said they didn't want to pay him more than Washington at LB! What a joke! And Commander fans bought that! Snyder couldn't afford him that year and you let a great young LB go... only to replace him with an older version of him this year in Fletcher... for more money.

 

[firehawk350]

I never said anything about WR depth, I like your WR corps. But Glenn is about 30 times worse then Smoot.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I never said anything about WR depth, I like your WR corps. But Glenn is about 30 times worse then Smoot.

We're down to comparing nickel cornerbacks?

And considering Smoot was a starter last year who was benched midway through the season and cut at the end of it, and Glenn only came in on 3rd downs. How do you get an accurate comparison of their play? And with that, who do you think is getting better bang for their buck?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Seriously... the situations for the 3 other teams in the NFC East is somewhat diar...

The Giants have a lame duck coach that no one listens too. Coughlin doesnt have control of team. Manning needs structure to be successful, Coughlin cant give it to him, players WONT give it to him. Coughlin tries to make his team an offer they cant refuse... but.. yet again they refuse

The Eagles will drop off significantly this year. The cat is out of the bag. McNabb is more responsible for the bad things in Philly than most knew. Players are cut in order to keep him happy. Key players hurt or gone or just old. Donovan McNabb will never see the new year on the playing field

The Commanders have the cryptkeeper running the organization and they have Quincy Carter the 2nd driving the bus. I see a horse's head in either Danny Snyders or Gibbs bed before December.

The Cowboys by far have the most talent and potential to go far. The question is will they? Does Wade have what it takes? Are they still hungry and mad about last year? Do they feel cheated? Killer instinct?

The Cowboys should take care of all NFC East business and take out all of the heads of the NFC East. Philly is dead... so is Washington... New York... No dont tell me you think they have a chance. It insults my intelligence.

 

[firehawk350]

In a 4-3 like Williams runs, LB's don't do much other than run to the ball and tackle. Problem with that on the Commanders is that the D line inhales so profusely that those tackles are 5-6 yards past the line of scrimmage. Yep, Fletcher-Baker will be nailing Marion Barber (or with that be Barber nailing Fletcher-Baker) about 7 yards downfield. Woopededoo.

If you don't think Fletcher is a considerable upgrade to Marshall, I really can't debate with you. Or that McIntosh is better then Holdman... LBs in any system are interchangeable. As for the DL, we *could* be one piece away from a good DL. Griffin is good, Golston shows a lot of promise and performed well and Carter could keep up with his production he had last year. Add in a solid contributor at DE with our #6 pick and it could be a stout DL. But who knows, maybe Golston regresses, and our #6 busts or we spend it on something else.

Just like when Jimmy Johnson ran a 4-3 in Dallas... the LB's were plug and play. The difference makers were at DE, DT, and CB. Those guys are where you spend your picks and dollars. They make the difference. Linebackers are just run-chase-cover-tackle guys, and like Johnson said... they're a dime-a-dozen.

So, please, PLEASE, trade the 6th overall pick on Briggs. Please.

Yes, in a 3-4 the LB's are the catalytic players... in a 4-3 it's the DE's and DT's that earn the big money. If you guys don't do something along the DL, your defense is going to stink it up just like they did last season. Just get ready for it..

I really don't know why we're still talking about the Briggs trade, it's dead in the water. And I don't know who asked the question about LBs in a 3-4, so there's really no need to start with yes... Jimmy Johnson ran a considerably different D then Williams does. I've heard Williams D called a cover 2 and also some hybrid 4-6. It's not (by everything I've heard) a traditional 4-3.

One last thing: I can't wait for your new savior at QB to show that he can't handle the NFL. Oh, he looked a tad better than Brunell... but who wouldn't? He didn't do much of anything last year to show he can take a team anywhere and the Commander fans are simply drooling over him. It's going to be like a cold bucket of water over the head when he simply can't cut it and some blind Commander fans just might go into shock.

What makes you think he can't handle the NFL??? He's got the physical tools, by all accounts he's putting the time in (film room and practice) and we run a run first system with two good RBs so I don't really know where this random rant is coming from.

Letting Dockery go because you couldn't afford him and replacing him with a nobody and then adding a used up Smoot and a used up Fletcher isn't going to take that NFC East cellar dwellar anywhere. Yet, hope springs eternal in Washington... it really is comical.

Last year Snyder breaks the bank and it's "WhooHoo... Superbowl bound, baby! We're loaded!"

This year it's, "WhooHoo, Snyder learned not to break the bank and he got smart! Dock sucked man... he always tripped... and Fletcher will fix the defense! All of that for just pennies! Snyder has really learned! We're Superbowl bound baby! We're loaded!"

I really don't see why all of a sudden all the Boys fan think Dock was some all-world guard. He was the 5th best lineman on the team. Paying $20 guaranteed for the worst starter is not a great idea. If we matched the offer and Dock stayed, I'm sure it would be, "stupid skins are at it again, overpaying for the worst lineman starting".

Truth is... the Commanders couldn't afford much of anything because of the stupid spending spree last year. Just like when they couldn't keep Pierce and said they didn't want to pay him more than Washington at LB! What a joke! And Commander fans bought that! Snyder couldn't afford him that year and you let a great young LB go... only to replace him with an older version of him this year in Fletcher... for more money.

Pierce isn't on the level that Fletcher is. 1092 tackles (averages over 100 tackles/year), 27.5 sacks (averages 3/yr), 11 INTs (averages a hair over 1/yr).
Pierce has 341 tackles (averages 69/yr), 5.5 sacks (averages less then one/yr), 6 INTs (averages 1/yr). Theres not a statisical category that Pierce even matches Fletcher.