cowboys vs. my Commanders (last game of the season)

[firehawk350]

Seriously... the situations for the 3 other teams in the NFC East is somewhat diar...

The Giants have a lame duck coach that no one listens too. Coughlin doesnt have control of team. Manning needs structure to be successful, Coughlin cant give it to him, players WONT give it to him. Coughlin tries to make his team an offer they cant refuse... but.. yet again they refuse

The Eagles will drop off significantly this year. The cat is out of the bag. McNabb is more responsible for the bad things in Philly than most knew. Players are cut in order to keep him happy. Key players hurt or gone or just old. Donovan McNabb will never see the new year on the playing field

The Commanders have the cryptkeeper running the organization and they have Quincy Carter the 2nd driving the bus. I see a horse's head in either Danny Snyders or Gibbs bed before December.

The Cowboys by far have the most talent and potential to go far. The question is will they? Does Wade have what it takes? Are they still hungry and mad about last year? Do they feel cheated? Killer instinct?

The Cowboys should take care of all NFC East business and take out all of the heads of the NFC East. Philly is dead... so is Washington... New York... No dont tell me you think they have a chance. It insults my intelligence.

All the knocks against McNabb are true, but he is a good QB. Reid runs a great offense and great defense. Philly is not going to come apart at the seams. I agree on NY, but Quincy Carter the 2nd? Whatever dude...

 

[firehawk350]

We're down to comparing nickel cornerbacks?

And considering Smoot was a starter last year who was benched midway through the season and cut at the end of it, and Glenn only came in on 3rd downs. How do you get an accurate comparison of their play? And with that, who do you think is getting better bang for their buck?

Hey, I was just responding to the post about CB depth. As far as Smoot, you can't deny he's talented, as to if we can get his head into the game, I don't know. Even Smoot as he is is considerably better then Glenn.

 

[Doomsday101]

All the knocks against McNabb are true, but he is a good QB. Reid runs a great offense and great defense. Philly is not going to come apart at the seams. I agree on NY, but Quincy Carter the 2nd? Whatever dude...

I would agree. I don't care for McNabb or the Eagles but he has done a good job in Philly for the most part and Reid has put together some very good teams and I expect Philly to be a contending team for the NFC East this year. I think Dallas is in a position to challenge for the East but I don't see it as a walk in the park.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Hey, I was just responding to the post about CB depth. As far as Smoot, you can't deny he's talented, as to if we can get his head into the game, I don't know. Even Smoot as he is is considerably better then Glenn.

Your opinion is that Smoot is better than Glenn. Why do you think he is better than Glenn? Just because you say so? Just because you once saw Glenn get beat two years ago at the end of a game. Two bad plays in one game should not be used to judge a player's overall effectiveness.

And as a nickleback, Glenn is an effective CB. At this point Smoot has not shown himself to be an effective starter on two different teams. The question on whether he'll be effective as #3 is unanswered at this point.

 

[superpunk]

I never said anything about WR depth, I like your WR corps. But Glenn is about 30 times worse then Smoot.

Hey, I was just responding to the post about CB depth. As far as Smoot, you can't deny he's talented, as to if we can get his head into the game, I don't know. Even Smoot as he is is considerably better then Glenn.

What a brilliant response it was, as well. I particularly liked the part where it completely disregards the fact that Smoot was benched last year for Cedric Griffin, and places him above Glenn, well....because....he plays for your favorite pathetic franchise.

Like I said, continue inventing suspect criteria with which to evaluate your team, so that they can be better than the Cowboys at something. It's quite amusing. Truth be told, you'd be better served sticking to the things the Commanders are definitely better at than the Cowboys. Things like being on the short end of the stick when it comes to trades, poorly handling malcontents like LaVar Arrington, Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd, and being ****** for the Denver Broncos. You kill the Cowboys in every single one of those evaluations - so cherish them.

 

[adamknite]

What a brilliant response it was, as well. I particularly liked the part where it completely disregards the fact that Smoot was benched last year for Cedric Griffin, and places him above Glenn, well....because....he plays for your favorite pathetic franchise.

Like I said, continue inventing suspect criteria with which to evaluate your team, so that they can be better than the Cowboys at something. It's quite amusing. Truth be told, you'd be better served sticking to the things the Commanders are definitely better at than the Cowboys. Things like being on the short end of the stick when it comes to trades, poorly handling malcontents like LaVar Arrington, Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd, and being ****** for the Denver Broncos. You kill the Cowboys in every single one of those evaluations - so cherish them.

Every Broncos fan's second favorite franchise is the Washington Commanders.

 

[1fisher]

We're down to comparing nickel cornerbacks?

And considering Smoot was a starter last year who was benched midway through the season and cut at the end of it, and Glenn only came in on 3rd downs. How do you get an accurate comparison of their play? And with that, who do you think is getting better bang for their buck?

no words can describe your post..... only this......

 

[1fisher]

What a brilliant response it was, as well. I particularly liked the part where it completely disregards the fact that Smoot was benched last year for Cedric Griffin, and places him above Glenn, well....because....he plays for your favorite pathetic franchise.

Like I said, continue inventing suspect criteria with which to evaluate your team, so that they can be better than the Cowboys at something. It's quite amusing. Truth be told, you'd be better served sticking to the things the Commanders are definitely better at than the Cowboys. Things like being on the short end of the stick when it comes to trades, poorly handling malcontents like LaVar Arrington, Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd, and being ****** for the Denver Broncos. You kill the Cowboys in every single one of those evaluations - so cherish them.

You nailed it with that comment..... You will never hear a skins fan talk bad about any of their FA signings....They are always the greatest signings of the offseason!:laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[firehawk350]

Your opinion is that Smoot is better than Glenn. Why do you think he is better than Glenn? Just because you say so? Just because you once saw Glenn get beat two years ago at the end of a game. Two bad plays in one game should not be used to judge a player's overall effectiveness.

And as a nickleback, Glenn is an effective CB. At this point Smoot has not shown himself to be an effective starter on two different teams. The question on whether he'll be effective as #3 is unanswered at this point.

This is ********. Smoot was one of the most highly rated CBs when he hit the market in 05. That's why he was paid so much in Minny. As to why he fell off, I don't know. You seem to disagree, but you've come up with as many good reasons as I have at this point. Lack of evidence doesn't constitute conflicting evidence.
And I have seen enough Cowboys games to recognize a weakness when I see one and Glenn has lost a step and just can't cover anymore. As to if Smoot can come back, I don't know. But I'd take 06 Smoot over 06 Glenn any day of the week...

 

[firehawk350]

What a brilliant response it was, as well. I particularly liked the part where it completely disregards the fact that Smoot was benched last year for Cedric Griffin, and places him above Glenn, well....because....he plays for your favorite pathetic franchise.

Like I said, continue inventing suspect criteria with which to evaluate your team, so that they can be better than the Cowboys at something. It's quite amusing. Truth be told, you'd be better served sticking to the things the Commanders are definitely better at than the Cowboys. Things like being on the short end of the stick when it comes to trades, poorly handling malcontents like LaVar Arrington, Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd, and being ****** for the Denver Broncos. You kill the Cowboys in every single one of those evaluations - so cherish them.

Cedric Griffin was an early second round pick, so it's not like he was benched for some nobody. And we're talking about a #1 corner being relagated to #3, where Glenn is. #3 corner is a much easier position to play anyways. Probably because you cover the third easiest receiver.

 

[WoodysGirl]

This is ********. Smoot was one of the most highly rated CBs when he hit the market in 05. That's why he was paid so much in Minny. As to why he fell off, I don't know. You seem to disagree, but you've come up with as many good reasons as I have at this point. Lack of evidence doesn't constitute conflicting evidence.

You know what's ********. It's your contention that Smoot is better than Glenn without providing any noticeable evidence stating why he is. Why should I provide any info as to why Glenn is better than Smoot, when I never made that claim?

I said Glenn is efficient in his role as a nickleback. I never claimed that he was better than Smoot. I said that to this date, Smoot has not proven efficient as a starter. And the proof is in the fact that he was benched and then cut. Do i need to provide anymore evidence than that?

And I have seen enough Cowboys games to recognize a weakness when I see one and Glenn has lost a step and just can't cover anymore. As to if Smoot can come back, I don't know. But I'd take 06 Smoot over 06 Glenn any day of the week...

Yes, Glenn has lost a step. He's 35. But as to his ability to cover as a 3rd CB, I think (my opinion) that he's still pretty solid...but I'm not gonna cry if they draft another CB.

As for 06 Smoot over 06 Glenn. 06 Smoot got benched midway through the season and cut...and yet he's still an improvement over Glenn? He has to prove it first.

 

[superpunk]

Cedric Griffin was an early second round pick, so it's not like he was benched for some nobody. And we're talking about a #1 corner being relagated to #3, where Glenn is. #3 corner is a much easier position to play anyways. Probably because you cover the third easiest receiver.

Your response dictates a complete lack of football acumen, particularly when it comes to the Dallas Cowboys. If you insist on being so uneducated about the team whose forum you've chosen to frequent, I have to ask why? Do you enjoy being toyed with?

When Glenn comes out onto the field, Newman moves into the slot, because it is a more difficult position. Glenn, in many cases, would be matched against the #1 WR in those scenarios, leading to plays like we had against Moss and Roy Williams. Smoot was benched for a second round rookie. There's no sugar coating it.

According to STATS, Smoot allowed a completion rate of 64.4 percent last season -- the seventh-worst among all starting cornerbacks.

Be sure to note the "seventh-WORST" part, because it's important. Note also this quote from the Pioneer Press

The reason for Smoot's benching is murky. He has endured a rough month, starting with the death of his half-brother Nov. 5 in a car accident and continuing with a groin injury that limited him last week.

The primary reason could be the cushion Smoot is providing receivers at the line of scrimmage. Griffin appears superior in press coverage and is a more capable and consistent tackler than Smoot.

Ouch. benched for the rookie who was better at pretty much everything. That ain't good. Conversely, Aaron Glenn has maintained his job, and last year (Joyner hasn't released this years numbers yet) was in the top 5 for stop percentage for cornerbacks in the NFL.

But go on with your imaginary things the Commanders are better at. Maybe you could even toss in more patently-false statements to justify your ill-concieved ideas.

 

[firehawk350]

You know what's ********. It's your contention that Smoot is better than Glenn without providing any noticeable evidence stating why he is. Why should I provide any info as to why Glenn is better than Smoot, when I never made that claim?

But yet you are arguing this point with me. I make a claim, and if you don't have anything to say either way, there's a good chance that you shouldn't say anything. That's like somebody saying I think Hiliary Clinton should be president and then I jump up and say, I have no opinion on the subject! I just wasted everyone's time, didn't I?

I said Glenn is efficient in his role as a nickleback. I never claimed that he was better than Smoot. I said that to this date, Smoot has not proven efficient as a starter. And the proof is in the fact that he was benched and then cut. Do i need to provide anymore evidence than that?

That's your opinion, but the statement about Smoot never being efficient as a starter is completely false. If he wasn't, why did Minny pay $34 mil for him (including $11mil in bonuses)? He was an effective starter for Washington.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18156-2005Mar8.html

Yes, Glenn has lost a step. He's 35. But as to his ability to cover as a 3rd CB, I think (my opinion) that he's still pretty solid...but I'm not gonna cry if they draft another CB.

As for 06 Smoot over 06 Glenn. 06 Smoot got benched midway through the season and cut...and yet he's still an improvement over Glenn? He has to prove it first.

Most of the reasons he was cut for his distracting off the field stuff and salary cap issues. He has shown he is a better player, and putting him in a position where he has to cover worse receivers can only increase his productivity.
And you contradict yourself too often. You say that you never made a claim that Glenn was better, then you say that Smoot has to prove he is better. Make a stand, if you think Glenn is better, say so... If you think that Smoot can't play nickel, say that. But this whole, I'm going to act like Glenn is better so I can argue that the Boys have a better nickel but not actually say anything so I don't have to provide evidence ("why should I provide evidence when I never made that claim") doesn't fly.

 

[adamknite]

That's your opinion, but the statement about Smoot never being efficient as a starter is completely false. If he wasn't, why did Minny pay $34 mil for him (including $11mil in bonuses)? He was an effective starter for Washington.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18156-2005Mar8.html

 

[firehawk350]

Your response dictates a complete lack of football acumen, particularly when it comes to the Dallas Cowboys. If you insist on being so uneducated about the team whose forum you've chosen to frequent, I have to ask why? Do you enjoy being toyed with?

Why is it always the personal attacks dude? I am half-tempted to ignore everything you say because everything starts off with "you don't know anything" because I disagree.

When Glenn comes out onto the field, Newman moves into the slot, because it is a more difficult position. Glenn, in many cases, would be matched against the #1 WR in those scenarios, leading to plays like we had against Moss and Roy Williams. Smoot was benched for a second round rookie. There's no sugar coating it.

Newman doesn't always move to the slot. When there is a dangerous receiver (this year that is), Newman stays with him. Even so, they put Glenn on the easiest person to cover, that's the role of nickelback. So comparing the #1 CB to a nickel corner is ******** because the roles are different. Might as well compare a DE to a DT.

Be sure to note the "seventh-WORST" part, because it's important. Note also this quote from the Pioneer Press

I'm not arguing his production in Minny, I don't know why it fell off. He was good in Washington, and returning to the same scheme might help. Or just having less responsibilities.

Ouch. benched for the rookie who was better at pretty much everything. That ain't good. Conversely, Aaron Glenn has maintained his job, and last year (Joyner hasn't released this years numbers yet) was in the top 5 for stop percentage for cornerbacks in the NFL.

Maintained his job as not starting in a secondary that only one person can cover anybody. There is no point there. If you put DeAngelo Hall in as nickel, I'm sure he'd light it up, the responsibilities are considerably less.

But go on with your imaginary things the Commanders are better at. Maybe you could even toss in more patently-false statements to justify your ill-concieved ideas.

Patently-false? You know, your right... Let me act like everything is great in Cowboy land and the Skins will never go anywhere.

 

[firehawk350]

A HOFer catches a pass and this is supposed to prove something???

 

[adamknite]

I'm not arguing his production in Minny, I don't know why it fell off. He was good in Washington, and returning to the same scheme might help. Or just having less responsibilities.


Maintained his job as not starting in a secondary that only one person can cover anybody. There is no point there. If you put DeAngelo Hall in as nickel, I'm sure he'd light it up, the responsibilities are considerably less.

You obviosly have no idea what it takes to be a nickle corner. It isn't this cake walk position you make it out to be.

 

[adamknite]

A HOFer catches a pass and this is supposed to prove something???

ANTONIO BRYANT IS A HALL OF FAMER!?!?!?

dude, you're hilarious!

 

[firehawk350]

You obviosly have no idea what it takes to be a nickle corner. It isn't this cake walk position you make it out to be.

But it sure as hell isn't nearly as hard as being a #1...

 

[firehawk350]

ANTONIO BRYANT IS A HALL OF FAMER!?!?!?

dude, you're hilarious!

Damn, I just saw 88 and I assumed Michael Irvin, my fault...