Game Day ***Cowboys vs Panthers post game thread***

[Dave_in-NC]

What point did you think you were making here?

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't just compare the 2014 Cowboys roster to the 1995 version.

I didn't. I'm saying that a talented team can win despite a baboon coaching them. There's the 95 version and the 2014 version.

 

[Dale]

And a bad back. How many things can a player worry about and keep playing at a high level?

Yeah, I dont see the issue being "Romo must retire because of a broken clavicle." That would be entirely untrue.

Rather, the question is how do the Cowboys move forward with a 35-year-old QB who they effectively know cannot go through a season without significant injury to his torso/back/collarbone area?

If we go into the year in a win-now mode, we are basically walking into a dark room full of snakes and hoping we just happen not to get bit. That seems like an irresponsible plan for a billion-dollar business.

 

[phildominator]

I couldn't care less about Garrett. Just sucks how one 12-4 season emboldens Jerry Jones to continue his ways, despite 2 decades of incompetence.

 

[Risen Star]

I didn't. I'm saying that a talented team can win despite a baboon coaching them. There's the 95 version and the 2014 version.

Yeah, you kind of did.

Way to school me though on that. Aikman won a 3rd title with a dynasty team under a 1st year head coach so that somehow applies to the riff raff roster we have now and Jason Garrett.

 

[RS12]

Why not find out what you have with Moore before next season?

nothing

 

[ScipioCowboy]

What was his point? That in 2014 the Cowboys had bad coaching and still won 12 games, the division and for all rights should have gone to the NFCC game?

I mean, if you step away from your fandom for a moment and look at that statement, do you not see how completely asinine and illogical that is?

I don't what his point was. My point is coaches are evaluated based on aggregate results, not single seasons. Rich Kotite had a good year or two. He's still not highly regarded.

Yes, Jerry the GM is an obstacle to winning. But, as Jimmy proved, Jerry is not an insurmountable obstacle, provided the right coach is in place. Jason is no Jimmy.

 

[plymkr]

But Jerry isn't going anywhere, so you may as well channel your frustration elsewhere. We're hamstrung with JJ and always have been, so directing criticism at the coach is the next best thing.

Short of riots in Dallas, what would make JJ evaluate his ownership/management of the team and potentially step aside?

His death. I hate to say this and I'm not trying to be funny or going for shock value. I have been a DC fan for 40 years and remember the days of Laundry. Dorsett, Staubach etc. Then I went through the mid 90's with the change over from former regime to the current regime. The early success was nice. But the reality is we've only won 2 playoff games in 20 years.

I am convinced that the Owner Jerry Jones is not a competitive person anymore. A competitive person could not handle putting out a losing or average product for 20 years. I am the CEO of my own corporation. If I put out a bad product for more than a month then I will be out of business. Quality is all I think about at work. If I screw up I lose money, if I screw up too many times I lose lots of money and clients. If I screw up for more than a 2-3 week period I will not work again in my field. There's natural consequences to my quality of work. At my job I do not have to answer to anyone. It's all about making the money. There's a direct correlation between my job performance and my income. Jerry doesn't have that. So the last 20 years Jerry is more concerned about winning "his way" than winning. He's convinced me that he'd rather lose "his way" then win by getting a good front office and coaching staff.

There's no natural consequences to Jerry's poor decision making/hiring/GMing. So now you have to look at who the man that Jerry is. Simply put Jerry is not man enough to realize he needs help and is in over his head with putting together a football team. Jerry is not man enough to take on owners like Mara, Kraft, Allen. Those owners own Jerry. Jerry is not as competitive as those other owners. Jerry the owner is happy with the spotlight and being a celebrity. That sets the tone for the rest of the team. It's a trinkle down effect. The owner is just happy being a celebrity, the GM is incapable of building and maintaining a team without concern for job security, the coach is a puppet, the assistants are emasculated puppets and the players are being wasted.

One poster said that he'll never forgive Jerry and Garret for wasting Romo's career. I also agree with that. I've forgiven Jerry for firing Laundry, Jimmy Johnson debacle, hiring Switzer, Quincy Carter, Dave Campo. But I'll never forgive Jerry for wasting the careers of Romo and Witten.

So Jerry needs to man up. As a man, how can your life's work be below average and you be satisfied with it? As a man how many losing seasons does it take to get the competitive juices flowing and go against your own comfort zone?

Jerry is not a man, Jerry is a poor excuse for a human being. Jerry is a loser. I define a loser as anyone who knows how to better themselves in any area but refuses to do it. I don't care how much money he has, he's a loser. He'll die a loser. He'll die and his legacy will be the one who took the mighty franchise of the Dallas Cowboys, America's Team, and made it average doing it "his way".

I in no way shape or form want Jerry Jones to die. I'm not that bad of a person. I am depressed about the state of the Dallas Cowboys. Because we will not be successful until Jerry can man up and better himself or his death brings about serious front office restructuring. I am sad and depressed that it has come to this. It's come to 2 outcomes: 1 an impossible probability that a spoiled loser will man up and change "his way" or 2. thinking about him dying. I am feeling more depressed that I have these thoughts than about the game. I am so frustrated and depressed about this team that the death of another human being enters my mind. Wow. He's a human being and I never want a human being to die and I don't want Jerry to die; but at the same time the cold, honest, brutal truth is that his passing may be the only answer.

That sucks and it's not fair that Jerry has put Cowboy fans in this position.

 

[SultanOfSix]

So it was a very watered down simplistic coaching job.

We just overwhelmed teams with all our scary talent. The coaches just needed to get out of the way.

Not sure. But it was a coaching job by Callahan who is no longer here, and a player in the name of Murray who were the primary forces behind this. Red headed idiot really had no impact as can be seen.

 

[RS12]

QB is a huge need. No denying it anymore. Jerry HAS to get the message now, right?

LOL!

 

[Risen Star]

I don't what his point was. My point is coaches are evaluated based on aggregate results, not single seasons. Rich Kotite had a good year or two. He's still not highly regarded.

Yes, Jerry the GM is an obstacle to winning. But, as Jimmy proved, Jerry is not an insurmountable obstacle, provided the right coach is in place. Jason is no Jimmy.

Jerry was not the same then. Know the history of the Cowboys before you attempt to understand it. Jimmy didn't face the same obstacles nor have the same restrictions on him that Garrett does now.

It's a terrible comparison.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Yeah, you kind of did.

Way to school me though on that. Aikman won a 3rd title with a dynasty team under a 1st year head coach so that somehow applies to the riff raff roster we have now and Jason Garrett.

I don't consider this a riff raff roster. Now riff raff coaching and you'd be right.

 

[Risen Star]

Not sure. But it was a coaching job by Callahan who is no longer here, and a player in the name of Murray who were the primary forces behind this. Red headed idiot really had no impact as can be seen.

That's some OL coach!

 

[Staubacher]

Not really. It was a coaching job by Callahan who is no longer here, and a player in the name of Murray who were the primary forces behind this. Red headed idiot really had no impact as can be seen.

It seems to be acceptable that Garrett has no real impact beyond speeches. Apparently that is the HC standard here in Big D Nation nowadays. People say Landry was stoic and try to compare Garrett to him, but they forget Landry was a football genius with numerous innovations on offense and defense. Garret literally adds nothing of real value beyond running practices and cheerleading.

 

[jobberone]

The guy has played 3 full seasons since the end of 2007

That's disingenuous. He missed 3 in 08, 10 in 10 and 1 game in 13 and 14. He missed three games his first 4 years as a starter. Had a season ending injury the fifth year in 2010, two games the next four years then most of this year. That's basically a few dings and two season ending injuries. Aikman missed 27 games in his career.

 

[Risen Star]

I don't consider this a riff raff roster. Now riff raff coaching and you'd be right.

Well that's the problem. Everyone old enough to live through that and understand would never, ever, ever, ever compare this roster to that one and, frankly, you're embarrassing yourself to even go there.

 

[Staubacher]

Yeah, you kind of did.

Way to school me though on that. Aikman won a 3rd title with a dynasty team under a 1st year head coach so that somehow applies to the riff raff roster we have now and Jason Garrett.

Garrett got a lot of credit for this roster when things looked good. RKG and all...

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I just don't think this roster is as great as some think it is.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Well that's the problem. Everyone old enough to live through that and understand would never, ever, ever, ever compare this roster to that one and, frankly, you're embarrassing yourself to even go there.

Then paint me embarrassed I guess. This roster under the right coach could consistently win. Not 8-8 not one good year. You should be embarrassed
to not be able to admit JG can't coach. Parcells did better with less. because he could coach.

 

[Novacek84]

So it was a very watered down simplistic coaching job.

We just overwhelmed teams with all our scary talent. The coaches just needed to get out of the way.

Certainly looks like it. Look, we all know Jerry is the main problem here. He is determined to be right on Garrett. So much so that he basically opened a Coaching 101 training clinic for Garrett to "train" in. That is a huge problem in itself but the pupil is failing. You wanna roll with Garrett for a few more years that's fine. But I've seen more than enough from this coach to know its not working. From freezing his kicker in Arizona to settling for game ending 51 yard FG attempts in Baltimore with plenty of time to get closer for Bailey to botching clock management repeatedly, the guy is overmatched. It would have been a tremendous story to see a well liked player in Garrett succeed as Jerry hoped but the results just aren't there despite what you think 12-4 meant to Garrett's resume.

 

[TheDude]

That's disingenuous. He missed 3 in 08, 10 in 10 and 1 game in 13 and 14. He missed three games his first 4 years as a starter. Had a season ending injury the fifth year in 2010, two games the next four years then most of this year. That's basically a few dings and two season ending injuries. Aikman missed 27 games in his career.

A few dings? He had 2 back operations and 3 broken clavicles. Missing time in 0-8 cost 2 games and a playoff birth at 9-7, and the one game in 2013 we lost and wouldnt have had him for the playoffs anyway.

Its a true statement.