Cowboys wasting draft picks

[Galian Beast]

I'm not sure what is going on, but the Cowboys are seriously wasting late round draft picks.

Brice Butler needed to be on the roster for 6 games before the trade resulted in swapping draft picks. They kept him on the roster, and did not play him even after he returned from being hurt. I'll be a bit miffed if he doesn't play later this year or make the team next year.

Christine Michael needed to be on the 46 man active roster 3 times for the trade to count, and they played him 5 times before deciding to cut him.

First, I think Butler has more dimensions to his game than Williams, so when it comes to talent evaluation I really question the team. They sat Dunbar for years without using him. Continue to misuse/underuse Cole Beasley and Gavin Escobar... and not only is this costing us games, but it is now costing us draft picks.

With that being said, we should have a ton of compensatory draft picks a 3rd, 4th, 5th, and three 6th rounders. Not sure if we lost one for Hardy or not.

The fact that you can now trade these picks will be huge for us. If we didn't lose any CDPs we could use our 3rd and our 2nd to trade up into the first and get another key player. Maybe get both a corner and a running back in the first and still have a 3rd round draft pick later.

 

[mattjames2010]

Most of those late round draft picks would have been nobody scrubs who would never even make the roster.

And it's not tough to get a 7th round pick back. It's really nothing to even worry about.

 

[jazzcat22]

A team can only get a max of 4 comp picks, and they can't be traded in 2016.
That takes effect in 2017
We should get a 4th, 5th, 2 6ths. But I wouldn't doubt we get a 5th and 3 6th, or a 4th, 5th, and 2 7th's

I hear ya on the trades, but they had to be made at the time. I did not like the Michael trade at all, but the trade for Butler I was ok with, as we did did a 6th round in return. We swapped a 5 for a 6.
I still do not like we traded a 6th in 2016 for a 7th last year for Swaim. He has been inactive all year. I am ok with that, but they could have selected him anyway, as one of the 2 they used their own on they could have had as a FA....FO getting too cute, and that trade urge from Jerry kicked in.
Nzocha was a redshirt guy from day one, and gibson didn't even make the PS.

As of now with the FA signed and lost, all the trades, this should be what we have in the draft. 9 draft picks
rounds 1-4 our own picks and a 4th round comp pick
a 6th from Raiders, 3 6th comp

our 5th to Raiders, 6th to 49ers, 7th to Seahawks

 

[Galian Beast]

Most of those late round draft picks would have been nobody scrubs who would never even make the roster.

And it's not tough to get a 7th round pick back. It's really nothing to even worry about.

I like them because you can target your UDFAs early, but maybe we've made a practice of overrating these UDFAs lately.

 

[Risen Star]

Don't worry about it. We got free ones this year with the comp picks.

 

[Galian Beast]

A team can only get a max of 4 comp picks, and they can't be traded in 2016.
That takes effect in 2017
We should get a 4th, 5th, 2 6ths. But I wouldn't doubt we get a 5th and 3 6th, or a 4th, 5th, and 2 7th's

I hear ya on the trades, but they had to be made at the time. I did not like the Michael trade at all, but the trade for Butler I was ok with, as we did did a 6th round in return. We swapped a 5 for a 6.
I still do not like we traded a 6th in 2016 for a 7th last year for Swaim. He has been inactive all year. I am ok with that, but they could have selected him anyway, as one of the 2 they used their own on they could have had as a FA....FO getting too cute, and that trade urge from Jerry kicked in.
Nzocha was a redshirt guy from day one, and gibson didn't even make the PS.

As of now with the FA signed and lost, all the trades, this should be what we have in the draft. 9 draft picks
rounds 1-4 our own picks and a 4th round comp pick
a 6th from Raiders, 3 6th comp

our 5th to Raiders, 6th to 49ers, 7th to Seahawks

Oh, I must have misread that the trades started in 2016. That stinks, but if we did get that 3rd, we would still be able to trade our own 3rd to jump our 2nd into the 1st and still have a pick in the 3rd round.

I thought we were getting that 3rd because of Murray.

As for Swaim, I think he is being developed. Most likely we lose Escobar and/or Hanna in the next 2 years, so it would be nice to have a guy who can just plug in.

 

[jazzcat22]

I like them because you can target your UDFAs early, but maybe we've made a practice of overrating these UDFAs lately.

I think more over rated from the fan base, as they always have a pet cat from them. But understandably so. Root for the underdog. But they are what they are most the time. You get lucky is what it comes down to.
Mine was Whaley, but knew he would be on IR his first year, then again last year. But didn't sound as if he was having a good TC. Will be his last chance if he even makes it to TC next year.

 

[jazzcat22]

Oh, I must have misread that the trades started in 2016. That stinks, but if we did get that 3rd, we would still be able to trade our own 3rd to jump our 2nd into the 1st and still have a pick in the 3rd round.

I thought we were getting that 3rd because of Murray.

As for Swaim, I think he is being developed. Most likely we lose Escobar and/or Hanna in the next 2 years, so it would be nice to have a guy who can just plug in.

Hanna will be a FA, so that is why they went after Swaim, I am fine with that. I just had an issue with trading a pick. but it's done, and hope he works out.
I think losing Murray would have been a 3rd. But if Hardy meets the incentives, which I believe he has, that offsets the values of the contracts. Losing Parnell then nets us the 4th round comp.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Well, they've wasted the career of Tony Romo, which is worse, so it's par for the course.

 

[jazzcat22]

Well, they've wasted the career of Tony Romo, which is worse, so it's par for the course.

If not for Dallas and Parcels, Romo may have been out of football before his career really ever began.
So how is that a waste?

 

[Galian Beast]

I think more over rated from the fan base, as they always have a pet cat from them. But understandably so. Root for the underdog. But they are what they are most the time. You get lucky is what it comes down to.
Mine was Whaley, but knew he would be on IR his first year, then again last year. But didn't sound as if he was having a good TC. Will be his last chance if he even makes it to TC next year.

Yeah, I mean from the fan base, but I still think they're trying to get lucky not investing a whole lot at certain positions.

 

[Galian Beast]

If not for Dallas and Parcels, Romo may have been out of football before his career really ever began.
So how is that a waste?

Not true. Denver wanted him badly as did New Orleans when Sean Payton left...

 

[SultanOfSix]

If not for Dallas and Parcels, Romo may have been out of football before his career really ever began.
So how is that a waste?

Uhh...to waste something in the context I used it, means that you know that something provides some maximum value but you don't use it in less than such a way.

Dallas and Parcells provided an opportunity for Tony Romo to show what he had and he took full advantage of it to became a Pro-Bowl QB and possibly a potential HOF QB. What they didn't provide a QB with with talent enough to win the SB with is a coaching infrastructure (Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett) and surrounding team (player acquisition via GM and Scouting duties) for most of his career that optimized such talent. That is what is meant by wasting his career.

 

[phildadon86]

If not for Dallas and Parcels, Romo may have been out of football before his career really ever began.
So how is that a waste?

Actually Payton wanted him in New Orleans, i believe. I could be mistaken

 

[jazzcat22]

Not true. Denver wanted him badly as did New Orleans when Sean Payton left...

Yes they wanted to sign him, Payton wanted to trade for him. But it does not mean the path would have been the same.
Romo would been a career back up in NO behind Brees.
Denver, who really knows. He would have ridden the bench longer than in Dallas.

 

[jazzcat22]

Uhh...to waste something in the context I used it, means that you know that something provides some maximum value but you don't use it in less than such a way.

Dallas and Parcells provided an opportunity for Tony Romo to show what he had and he took full advantage of it to became a Pro-Bowl QB and possibly a potential HOF QB. What they didn't provide a QB with with talent enough to win the SB with is a coaching infrastructure (Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett) and surrounding team (player acquisition via GM and Scouting duties) for most of his career that optimized such talent. That is what is meant by wasting his career.

Not guaranteed that would have happened somewhere else though. Are you using your dislike of Jerry & Jason cloud your thoughts?

 

[jazzcat22]

Actually Payton wanted him in New Orleans, i believe. I could be mistaken

Yes he wanted to trade for him. But do you think he would be starting now over Brees?

 

[Galian Beast]

Yes they wanted to sign him, Payton wanted to trade for him. But it does not mean the path would have been the same.
Romo would been a career back up in NO behind Brees.
Denver, who really knows. He would have ridden the bench longer than in Dallas.

New Orleans got Brees when they couldn't get Romo.

Denver has had QB issues throughout the last decade. They had Jake Plummer who was actually worse than Bledsoe. They didn't get Romo say they drafted Cutler and traded him because he was no good. Romo probably would have started even earlier in his career.

 

[jazzcat22]

Much of this is 20-20 hindsight on Romo. Denver still may have drafted Cutler, Saints still may have traded for Brees. Romo was still an unproven UDFA at the time. A QB that sat for what, until his 4th year to get playing time, on a team that really needed a QB.
Parcels even said, it was not time to put in Romo. Now I know Parcels was more conservative on that, but he has proved to be right on this IMO.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Not guaranteed that would have happened somewhere else though. Are you using your dislike of Jerry & Jason cloud your thoughts?

"Not guaranteed to happen elsewhere" is not an argument against what actually happened here.

I don't dislike Jerry or Jason. In fact, I think they are probably pretty cool people - Jerry is loyal to a fault - if one gets to know them. Even if my criticism may slightly exceed rational territory into sarcasm that may be unwarranted, what I dislike is the results on the field.